Seems like a strange ranking given we've never actually seen a live-action version with the white eyes before.
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Matt Reeves on his take of Batman
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Seems like a strange ranking given we've never actually seen a live-action version with the white eyes before.
Inferno313
Banned
That's fair, not saying it can't be done, just that it'd be hard to pull off without sacrificing something. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Burton didn't do the all white eyes but in certain shots he made sure the eyes were definitely bright/lit for effect, I think he kind of recognized the importance of the white eyes to Batman's image. I don't think going for the all-white look is that much more of a leap than magical eye lights always hitting Keaton
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Fuck Tony Stark
Can you show me the scene in the movie where they do that? I don't recall it ever showing up in the movie.
They really, really, really don't. "Why does Captain America now have a magnet on his hand that lets him attact the shield in Age of Ultron when he didn't have it before?" - asked absolutely no one.
It's a new gadget he has that helps him fight. That's literally all the explanation anyone needs, it's a new thing.
Well, I have evidence of the effect working on several other characters. Deadpool, Spider-man. We have lenses working for Daredevil.
So I would count that as evidence that the effect, in the abstract, is capable of working. From there, it's just a matter of fiddling around until it works for Batman.
This isn't what happened at all though. Plenty of people sympathize and like Rorschach. And he was certainly written to be sympathetic atleast as far as being portrayed as a genuine, if deeply disturbed, human being.
Inferno313
Banned
Amen.
I wouldn't be surprised if they cooled off that thanks to Wonder Woman. The scene everyone thinks is the best scene, is one that doesn't have that and they wanted to cut, and the scene everyone agrees is terrible is the big boom boom CGI explosion scene.
broncobuster
Banned
Evey is the emotional core of that movie, though. Same with Anderson in Dredd.
Random.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Unifying
Inferno313
Banned
Terrible might be a little harsh. I agree that the third-act falters a bit, and that the middle act is the film's peak, but I couldn't call it terrible by any means.
I do think there's a difference between fully obscuring your facial features (Rorschach) and having eyes that are either dead, or animated like a cartoon to express a range of emotion.
The latter just seems like an unnecessary limitation - have the eyes but remove the ability to do something as simple as scan a room without turning or head, or look out of the corner of your eye.
But to Bobby's point maybe it would be something that would work when seen. I just feel like a lack of white eyes works just fine.
It's in Civil War, he uses goggles to focus his Spidey senses, it's why Tony gives his suit the lenses. It allows him to focus on things better and at his leisure.
A magnet is not the same as his mask now moving around like it has muscles in them. Come on.
I wouldn't really say that fight is the whole of the third act, though. The fight might be terrible but the rest of the third act is good.
Sure, I can go for that. I'm fine with it either way. At best, I'd like to see white eyes work for the sake of novelty, if nothing else.
It's the people who take the position that it cannot possibly work or that it would somehow look sillier than Batman already does that I disagree with.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Thank fuck they didn't try to show us Black Panthers eyeballs
I've watched Civil War twice. While it's possible I'm forgetting it, I simply do not remember the scene you are referencing. I heard this information somewhere, but I'm half convinced it was from an interview or art book or something, not the movie itself. As far as I remember, the only reference to the workings of the suit are how Peter didn't stick a landing because he's not used to it. That's it.
Because...?
It's just a gadget, in the end, like any other part of Batman's costume. "It's a new visor I've developed to help feed me information." Why is more explanation than that necessary?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
It's when Tony is talking to Peter in his room. They don't explicitly state why in the movie but you have a direct correlation between Peter showing Stark why he wears the goggles and the eyes on the suit focusing and unfocusing like a camera aperture.
Inferno313
Banned
There's a reason they made him take his mask off during that confrontation with Zemo at the end, though.
Because he had a closed mask.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Yeah and that's fine. It's not like he's hiding a secret identity so you do get to see T'Challa with his mask off in dramatic moments all the time in the comics. It wouldn't work the same way for Batman.
It's not lip service it's what Affleck wanted to do with the character too.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/ben-affleck-is-in-no-rush-to-make-his-batman-movie-1782296726
Just like they forced Nolan to do it!!!!
Well, there you go. It's not even explained, just implied. Spiderman wears ordinary googles for bad eyesight reasons and Tony says "you need an upgrade", so you infer that the reason that happens is for that, and it's done.
Even assuming that there is some desperate need for an explanation to occur, why are we acting like this is some herculean task that writers can't pull off? Marvel did it with a few sentences. Why can't DC?
So? There has never been a movie where the hero is masked for the entire run-through. Not even Batman films.
FPS murderer
Member
Affleck is in, Reeves confirmed it in a very recent interview.
He says that his eyes have trouble focusing, right? Which makes sense given that spiders tend to have eight. Therefore the goggles / eyes, which operate similarly to a camera aperture, must help him focus his vision,
They didn't spell it out but they did explain it.
If they'd want to give Batman white and potentially emotive eyes they don't need to explain it. It wouldn't be that ridiculous. At least not as ridiculous as a villain who constantly dips himself in a magic pit of green water to stay young and healthy. Or a woman who can control plants with her mind.
Inferno313
Banned
I don't know why everyone was so concerned in the first place. iirc, dude's signed for JL, Batman, and JL2 at the very least. After that point, yeah, they'll have to renegotiate. But, if "The Batman" reviews about as well as Reeves' last two films, then that, combined with a paycheck that I'm sure would approach RDJ money, would probably convince Affleck to re-up.
They provide an implication that an explanation exists and give you the tools to infer it. Not the same thing.
FPS murderer
Member
In civil war, when he's wearing his home made suit, his googles kinda do the same thing. Pete explains it helps because his very sensitive with his senses, kinda of a senses overload, the zooming in and out helps focusing. I guess that carries on in the suit stark gives him.
Superman flew him through a building, but giving him white eyes is just too much.
The white eyes thing is never going to happen because it is "too comic book."
Every good person who wants to adapt a Batman story to film has stated, we want this to be real and close to the ground. A noir like tale featuring a man who dresses up as a bat. This is the reason we will never get a white eyed Batman, because it has to be real and not a comic book character coming to life on the screen.
Every good person who wants to adapt a Batman story to film has stated, we want this to be real and close to the ground. A noir like tale featuring a man who dresses up as a bat. This is the reason we will never get a white eyed Batman, because it has to be real and not a comic book character coming to life on the screen.
Inferno313
Banned
That's what modern Batman comics are though...
This post hurts my head.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
chrisPjelly
Member
Why don't they just do the literal eye LEDs from BvS. I thought those looked great
SmackAttack
Member
Hope Reeves follows through on this. He could really nail it.
It's all bullshit that stemmed from the Sad Affleck meme.
Didn't he say some things that could be interpreted as him having doubts about the whole thing? That and the fact that he quit the director role for Batman.
There was more to it than the meme.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
There was definitely a period of time where Warner's appeared to be prepping- or at least allowing for- the possibility this whole thing was going to fall apart.
I'm pretty sure it's not a coincidence that during this time, discussions with (and the eventual signing of) Joss Whedon started.
I'm pretty sure it's not a coincidence that during this time, discussions with (and the eventual signing of) Joss Whedon started.
broncobuster
Banned
That wasn't ever a consideration. And it's way overselling Joss' role before Mr. Snyder had a loss in his family.
Whedon sounded to have already been brought aboard to doctor the script for potential JL reshoots. His taking over as director seemed to simply be the logical choice after Snyder needed to step away.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Joss was already part of the machine before he was even announced as the Batgirl director.
And yes, Warners was in a very weird/questionable place for a second there. Shit was tenuous.
The unimagined success of Wonder Woman is definitely helping.
broncobuster
Banned
That's what I'm saying. He worked with Snyder and Johns on scripts for reshoots, and Snyder convinced him to direct when he wasn't up for it.
Just the DC properties last year were over $1.5B without counting on the merchandising. Warners needed a reliable franchise when The Hobbit dried up, and right now that's DC properties (several per year) and Harry Potter spin-offs (every other year). They were not going to slow down, and frankly, they couldn't afford to slow down.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Imagine how stupid he'd look in the other 98% of the movie.
"Where am I?"
It's a grown fucking man walking around in a goddamn bat suit.
I think we can get over some white lenses in the eyes.
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