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Media Create Sales 4/2 - 4/8
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OnWarmerMusic
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Given the DS' massive user base right now, how long does Ninty wait to introduce a successor? It seems like we're in a situation similar to the original GB/GBC line, where it took almost a dozen years to get a "true" hardware successor with the Advance. By comparison, the window where the Advance/SP family was the newest Nintendo handheld was just over 3.5 years (GBA launch in March 2001, DS launch in Dec 2004). That shorter window may have been a symptom of the short-lived "third pillar" strategy, I suppose.
It just seems to me that, provided we get the obligatory shell redesigns / minor hardware revisions, the DS may have one hell of a lifespan ahead of it, certainly much longer than the Advance had.
It just seems to me that, provided we get the obligatory shell redesigns / minor hardware revisions, the DS may have one hell of a lifespan ahead of it, certainly much longer than the Advance had.
Kobun Heat
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jetjevons said:
At the rate things are going, I'd say 2009 or later until we see a full DS successor. I still think we're going to see at least 2 more revisions, one probably with built in flash for "Virtual Handheld" downloads via WFC.
Re: FFXIII, I doubt we'll see a Wii release, but with the way PS3's stumbling worldwide, and the fact that FF now brings in most of it's sales from outside Japan, I think we're quite likely to see a PC/360 release. PlayStation machines alone just can't support this sort of investment anymore.
Re: FFXIII, I doubt we'll see a Wii release, but with the way PS3's stumbling worldwide, and the fact that FF now brings in most of it's sales from outside Japan, I think we're quite likely to see a PC/360 release. PlayStation machines alone just can't support this sort of investment anymore.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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X360 vs PS3 mmm, until June there is -nothing- so I guess PS3 will still be on top but that top being 10k, maybe even less. X360 doesn't seem to be able to do >5k until June.
Now in June, on the 7th PS3 gets Folks Soul. Although its from Genji developers and it looks totally opposite to japanese tastes, I guess SCEJ will somehow push it because its their second game on the system (in 8 months wow, someone give these guys a medal...).
It'll push PS3 somehow, not much of course, but it'll build into 14th June when Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Trusty Bell are released. Although I think Trusty Bell will be bigger, it won't be enough to push X360 over PS3.
Now in June, on the 7th PS3 gets Folks Soul. Although its from Genji developers and it looks totally opposite to japanese tastes, I guess SCEJ will somehow push it because its their second game on the system (in 8 months wow, someone give these guys a medal...).
It'll push PS3 somehow, not much of course, but it'll build into 14th June when Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Trusty Bell are released. Although I think Trusty Bell will be bigger, it won't be enough to push X360 over PS3.
I don't think that we'll see a DSMicro.. the GBASP sold alot more than the micro. Also I don't think Nintendo can improve on the current model, it has bright screens long battery life and a great button setup(except for the few faulty D-pads). DS2 in 2 years i'd say.OnWarmerMusic said:
XiaNaphryz
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But what about the comic?? At least give approval for that!Pureauthor said:
miguel_c_hammer
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First Children said:
Does this put the PSP below what it was doing this week last year?
Regardless, I think this is very significant. Perhaps even moreso than the PS3's poor week. Such a huge, inexplicable drop during a good software week doesn't bode well for the PSP's future, and suggests that the MHP2 bump was indeed temporary. I would expect a somewhat similar drop next week, particularly with no new software coming out.
Will S-E ports like FF1, FF2, and FFT be enough to keep up interest in the system? FF:CC looks to be the only real savior on the horizon, and it's a long ways off. In a few months, we may be looking back at this week as the beginning of the end for PSP in Japan.
OnWarmerMusic
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Heh, true enough. I'm sure they're quite pleased with the way things turned out, after all. I think of the "three pillars" as being a bit bunk because they always emphasized the DS as being a complement to the GBA, not a successor. For quite some time now, it's been clear that the DS is in fact the GBA's successor, and not some parallel hardware track. So while the GBA sales continue to be great on their own merits, the Gameboy hardware family will not continue.D.Lo said:
Eteric Rice
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The DS is a monster unlike anything we've really seen before. It's already surpassed the GBA, and for all we know could just keep on going. And knowing Nintendo, they won't drop it until it's no longer selling.
Unless Iwata changes that trend.
The Wii seems to have everything under lock and key in terms of Japan, and is rapidly growing world wide. This is without any "waggle justifying" games. I suspect as support grows, we'll see unique, and really good looking games come out. Sort of like what happened with the DS.
I do wish Nintendo would package a classic controller with the Wii, though. That way traditional games would be playable in traditional format for those who wish to play it like that.
Either way, the Wii doesn't seem to be dying out, yet. And a few months ago, we all KNEW that the Wii would be in stores regularly at least a month or so after release. We all KNEW that the PS3 would stomp on it.
Imagine what we'll know tomorrow?
Unless Iwata changes that trend.
The Wii seems to have everything under lock and key in terms of Japan, and is rapidly growing world wide. This is without any "waggle justifying" games. I suspect as support grows, we'll see unique, and really good looking games come out. Sort of like what happened with the DS.
I do wish Nintendo would package a classic controller with the Wii, though. That way traditional games would be playable in traditional format for those who wish to play it like that.
Either way, the Wii doesn't seem to be dying out, yet. And a few months ago, we all KNEW that the Wii would be in stores regularly at least a month or so after release. We all KNEW that the PS3 would stomp on it.
Imagine what we'll know tomorrow?
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Mr. Pointy said:
Then we consider that it would look HORRENDOUS when upscaled to the PSP resolution.
If they ever do a PSP version of some kind, they need a huge team redrawing all the sprites to PSP resolutions. A larger team than the one that made GS4 (and the inevitable 2 games that follows it) would be needed to do a PSP version.
And we know it will sell very well to justify using resources for it.
Eteric Rice
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Xavien said:
Exactly! I knew someone would get it! =)
imastalker co.
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are you talking about the 'We Havent Put Out A Game In Over 9+ Months For Our Own System Award' presented by Microsoft?Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
enishi said:
First days sales are impressive to say the least. I bet Capcom is happy with the first day sales.
If the series has legs how high will it hit? 500,000? 600,000? 750,000?
Juwanna Peezadis
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Earlier in the thread PS3 and Wii release dates through June were posted. Can anyone post the PSP and DS games through June as well?
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/ (scroll down for third-party releases)Juwanna Peezadis said:
http://www.jp.playstation.com/software/psp/index.php?released=0
Some highlights:
DS
4/19: Atelier Lise
Clubhouse Games US Wi-Fi
4/26: Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings
Panel de Pon DS
5/17: Ouendan 2
5/24: Hoshigami
5/31 SD Gundam
5/?? Touch Detective 2
6/07: Stock Trader Shun
6/21: Itadaki Street DS
6/23 Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
6/28: Legend of the River King
PSP
4/19: Final Fantasy Anniversary Edition
5/10: Final Fantasy Tactics
5/24: Bleach HotS4
5/31 Minna no Golf Vol.1 GPS
6/07: Final Fantasy II Anniversary Edition
DragonBall Z Shin Budokai 2
6/21: Smash Court Tennis 3
6/28: Ratchet & Clank 5
vicious_killer_squirrel said:
It's a lot more complex than that. There's developer politics involved as well. For example when the DS started selling like gangbusters Sony didn't lose the majority of its announced exclusives or overt support from many developers on the PSP. They were trying to make nice given the inevitability (at the time) of a PS3 victory. Despite that, the DS success did translate into more games, more support and more AAA titles that translated well to its global success.
Even now, with the PS3 struggling, I think most publishers are still hedging on a comeback in late 2006 and 2007 and won't overtly shun Sony, but certainly if trends continue for months and months and the Wii lead grows to large, no amount of goodwill is going to help Sony keep its titles and developer support.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
There's supposedly 400k of stock for the initial release.Hcoregamer00 said:
DeaconKnowledge
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skinnyrattler said:
"I'd like to unveil our newest console, the 299 US dollar machine"
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
XiaNaphryz said:
I am talking about Lifetime sales.
After the 400,000 copies get's sold out.
Eteric Rice
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Deku said:
Indeed, even now you hear developers (Square-Enix is one) saying that "next year the PS3 will win!" or "we feel that the PS3 will eventually pull ahead."
I honestly don't know where they're getting those ideas, but I'm guessing it's because of Sony's track record, and maybe Sony themselves.
I think most 3rd parties are missing one giant detail. This isn't the same Nintendo. This Nintendo isn't run by Yamauchi, but by a man who was also once a developer (I believe Iwata worked on Earthbound), and also has a good buisness sense.
Developers are stuck in their mind set that Nintendo is no big deal, when in fact Nintendo is getting stronger every week.
Xisiqomelir
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Eteric Rice said:
Eteric Rice
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Xisiqomelir said:
:lol
thestopsign
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Eteric Rice said:
I'm pretty sure that Iwata was a developer over at Hal Laboratories, the makers of Kirby and Super Smash Bros. I'm not sure which games he actually developed himself, but I know he was also at one point the president of Hal.
DeaconKnowledge
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Deku said:
I completely disagree.
The DS was a flash in the pan: Handheld success from a proven developer in the handheld space. No big deal.
Now that the Wii is soaring (and the PS3 is conversely languishing) the writing is firmly on the wall. There's no goodwill when there's no money to be made.
The developers that are locked in to projects are coping. Capcom hurriedly announced that their lone PS3 exclusive will be ported to the 360. I don't see that as coincidence.
Also, I was looking at the Namco partnership with Sony on the new arcade board (the name escapes me) and I thought to myself "They're doing this to mitigate their losses on PS3 development".
moku is evangelizing FFXIII on the Wii, and to be honest, the only reason I still disagree is because of the White Engine. (and the Unreal licensing has me doubtful of even that.)
XiaNaphryz
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ghostlyjoe
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DeaconKnowledge said:
I've been reading this FFXIII speculation, but I just don't see it. We know FF is big in the west, wouldn't a 360 port now and eventual Wii/PS2 version make a lot of sense? I suppose it depends on how far along in development it is and how difficult it would be to downport to Wii, but would SE let Japan essentially miss out on a main numbered FF by leaving it on system/s struggling to find a solid user base?
Also, with all this FF speculation, why no speculation about RE5? It's further off than FFXIII, right? Could the Wii still get a version of it for the same reason?
ghostlyjoe said:
Another theory that has been going around is that SE will make a FF13 game on the Wii and maybe it will take over the role of the main title if things stay this dire for the PS3. So the PS3 game becomes a spin-off and the Wii game becomes the main title (thus less resources get pumped into the PS3 game), its certainly plausible. Also the white engine can always be ported to the 360 for more potential userbase.
Personally, i think SE will make the PS3 game a spin-off, port the white engine to the 360 and also the spin-off game to allow greater profit worldwide. Then make FF13 proper on Wii while simultaneously working on the spin-off. If the PS3 picks up, then FF13 proper stays on the PS3, if it doesn't the Wii game becomes FF13 proper.
Just saying my thoughts.
Eteric Rice
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I doubt they'll do all of that.
I have to wonder, though. Will they make an engine made for the Wii? It might be similar to the Gamecube, but there's supposedly a couple of extra things in there that could be taken advantage of.
Hopefully they do. I mean, if you can get...
Out of the PSP, what can they get out of the Wii?
I have to wonder, though. Will they make an engine made for the Wii? It might be similar to the Gamecube, but there's supposedly a couple of extra things in there that could be taken advantage of.
Hopefully they do. I mean, if you can get...
Out of the PSP, what can they get out of the Wii?
viciouskillersquirrel
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"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. This terror was soon replaced by mocking laughter and bitter, bitter weeping. I fear something terrible has happened."Saitou said:
As for FFXIII, didn't that originally start life off as a PS2 game? If I recall correctly, it was bumped onto PS3 because FFXII went massively behind schedule. How long ago did this happen?
I wonder if, shifted to Wii using the Unreal Engine and assuming that (say) 40% of all the work done between then and now had to be written off, how much time they'd lose relative to the average development cycle for a numbered FF game. If we assume that development costs and development time are linearly dependent, how much extra money would they have to spend to shift development of it to Wii?
Then, taking into account total development costs, we need to take a look at potential sales and thus potential revenues. If it ends up producing profit, it's safe to say that development has already been shifted to Wii.
This is of course, assuming that the White Engine would be saved for a later game and that Square Enix don't still have illusions of grandure (we are the kingmakers; Final Fantasy alone will cause the PS3 to consistently outsell the Wii).
JoshuaJSlone
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Credited as Program Director, Programmer, and Co-Producer.Eteric Rice said:
neopokekun
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Star Battle for the VIC20 is probably one of his earliest games.Stopsign said:
From Digitpress:
Easter Eggs: The onscreen titles only show part of these internal messages: "(C) 1981 COMMODORE JAPAN THIS PROGRAM WAS WRITTEN BY - SATORU IWATA - APR.19.1981 HAL LABORATORY AKIHABARA TOKYO JAPAN".
You could say that I am evangelizing the move, and that would be partly true. I said it will move to the Wii as either a port of sorts, or outright moved to it.DeaconKnowledge said:
It's not as if the PS3 is burning up the charts in the States either. The Wii is. Companies that sink MILLIONS of $$$ into a project, cant then turn and release it into a hostile market, onto a slumping platform. The biggest risk they take, is tarnishing the franchise name, or sidelining it. People who think that this isnt a primary concern of S-E are insane. Lets say they follow thru and release FF on the PS3(Next year, right) on a massivly smaller install base. It sells moderatly/poorly when compared to other FF's. That could put a brand-name(The Final Fantasy reputation) in a wierd position.
Thats why I said my piece awhile back, and I am even further emboldened by recent sales charts.
What if by the time the game comes out the Wii has 5+million units worldwide lead? Thats just being conservative! It could be much larger of a gap by that time.
Lose sales, the series gets pushed into the backs of gamers minds, and the series can lose its luster by not making a huge splash/impact into the gaming community.
Even porting it to the 360 wont help matters in Japan. S-E needs to come to the only logical conclusion, and thats that the next main FF game, has to hit the Wii if these sales continue. There are projections that we use all the time to figure out what the lead could be by that time. S-E sees similar projections.
They know the score as of right now, and they can figure out what the score will be in a years time.
They just have to make the move soon, or they will be locked into either a big delay, or releasing thier premiere wordlwide franchise onto a system with a tiny install base.
It's thier call, but money, and logic dictate thier next move.
Nintendo, especially Iwata, deserve so much credit for calling the situation in Japan. They saw the market declining year over year and thought 'lets do something different'. Sony assumed that the market hadn't changed and essentially sold Japan a console paradigm that they were already bored of, but bigger, more expensive + with a smaller emphasis on the games than ever before. Makes me wonder how much better the PS3 would have done if the Wii didn't exist, obviously leagues better than the 14k/week it's doing now, but would it ever have matched the PS2? Perhaps not.