Moor-Angol
Banned
probably it's the first western publisher to reach this milestone
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Media Create Sales: Week 1, 2015 (Dec 29 - Jan 04)
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probably it's the first western publisher to reach this milestone
It's just the new year's money spent, so it's the first week thats good for Sony lol.
Moor-Angol
Banned
digitals count only for nintendo titles
Subscribers (and especially these like Sony and Nintendo) don't wait for Media Create to make public this mini weekly report in order to get numbers.
Pennywise83
Banned
I mentioned the existence of digital sales, but we still don't have numbers. That said, to me it seems unlikely it sold 50k units on the PSN. I didn't know about the promotion so who knows.
Wouldn't that excuse be more applicable to Phantasy Star Nova (released a month after MH4G)? You shouldn't be so shocked about its bad performance then!
Or it's just games on Nintendo consoles the ones who suffer about this phenomenom?
Not that I agree with him(it was plenty far away) but being on the same system means it's in more direct competition.
If you have the digital sales data for PSNova you are free to share them.
Pennywise83
Banned
Yes, both. As, in my opinion, Tales of Graces on Wii was affected by Final Fantasy XIII on PS3, released a week or two later. FFEX, though, sold not well but ok-ish so at least it was able to become popular on its own. If SQEX would have put a higher quality title, it would have sold even better. It's a start, maybe a sequel could reach a wider audience.
I don't think it's too late at all. I think it's more about the product. The tone they went for in FF Explorers definitely feels like a very misguided attempt to fit the product to bad preconceptions about the platform (needs to look SD, feel more kid friendly than a "serious" FF game, lower production values, outsourced development).
If this were something that looked like Dissidia, Crisis Core, or Type-0, except a full 4 player co-op hunting game with Nomura designs, it would probably have a good shot at doing >1 million if the word of mouth is good.
MH4G has little to do with the performance of FF:Explorers.
It's more about what duckroll is saying. The game is doing okay/good for what it is, but it could have been so much more.
I still don't get why Square didn't do this on PSP after MHP2G was clearly an unprecedented success. Lack of resources, most likely. They had plenty of psp games in development at that point.
The bolded is really prevalent, and really bizarre at this point. Games like Shin Megami Tensei, Monster Hunter and even stuff like Ocarina of Time and Smash Bros shows it's unnecessary.
You even still see people claim the 3DS isn't powerful enough to do normal proportioned character models.
At the rate we're going they'll end up doing this and then putting it on a platform where selling a million seems nigh impossible.
It's pretty much exactly what Tabata said he would do if he made a Vita game. So.... Vita game incoming?
That's something I completely agree, has been discussed very few before and not given the proper attention.
And this is another ridiculous conclusion. Please keep going.
Similar to how Famitsu Marketing Data Services is a company dedicated to the business of games market data tracking and analysis.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I don't see FFEX as a success. I would of thought a FF in MH genre would do very well. Maybe Se's lack of effort into the title (or its lack of quality?) is hurting it. Is it even going to outsell Freedom Wars? I want to see if it has legs after the holidays.
Moor-Angol
Banned
it's in the 15th place on Vita top downloaded games in 2014
http://www.jp.playstation.com/psn/store/cp/150108_CY14Ranking/
and sales include just 3 weeks
Would be interestinfg to know how this ranking translates to sales/amount of units sold. But in anyway I doubt anyone complains if concrete digital sales data is mentioned and considered in sales discussions.
theprodigy
Member
the YoY comparisons begin again
I doubt Square Enix had big expectations for it, it's quite clearly low budget and they only shipped 250K for the holidays. It's a very conservative product.
Freedom Wars is a much bigger budget game and had a much bigger push but it is actually possible that FF Explorers catches up/surpasses it. Their third week sales are really close(22.9K for FF Explorers vs 20.6K for Freedom Wars) and as a general trend 3DS games have better legs.
Minecraft Vita which is #1 was at "over 100k" on Dec 17. Could mean anything, of course.
http://www.psnstores.com/2014/12/minecraft-playstation-vita-edition-tops-100000-downloads-in-japan/
Maybe we can get kind of a general idea of its sales when we look at the monthly digital sales from Famitsu?
The Xbox One is the second highest year over year gain and one of only two platforms to even do so. #XboxOneChampion
Yeah, kinda shocked that it sold as much on the name at all... Probably the worst looking MH type game you can buy right now lol.
Moor-Angol
Banned
It could outsell FW actually. The only Vita game that's probably out of reach is GE2.
Is this the best selling game Racjin's ever made?
Is the Final Fantasy brand outside of the main titles even still something that raises a lot of attention? After a decade of slapping "Final Fantasy" onto pretty much everything, I don't feel like the name alone is enough to raise a lot of awareness these days. Final Fantasy Explorers even looks like your regular random, low-budget, mediocre-to-good Final Fantasy spin-off developed without too much ambition. People aren't dumb and have realized for years that "Final Fantasy" in the title doesn't mean that a game is something special.
FFex is doing right, looking at the reception even we had, at the effort put in the development from what we have seen, at the import impression and at the promotion it get. it did better than expected looking at Comgnet preorders too. I read it as: at the end, if you put a FF game with hunting action on 3DS around Xmas, you can sell decently.
It still is far away from the success that a "real" FF hunting game could have found on 3DS, imho, but that's more "in line" with SE fault than anything else imho.
I also think that PS Nova did decently as FFEX, looking at Vita's potential, compared to the PSP golden hunting-games era.
It still is far away from the success that a "real" FF hunting game could have found on 3DS, imho, but that's more "in line" with SE fault than anything else imho.
I also think that PS Nova did decently as FFEX, looking at Vita's potential, compared to the PSP golden hunting-games era.
Chris1964, here you have MC Top 30 for Week 52, since probably we won't get Top 50 for this week as other years.
http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201501080011/
http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201501080011/
Hero of Legend
Member
sörine;146506091 said:
Properly made? Maybe? Involved with? HELL NAH!
They worked on all three Mario & Sonic games on Wii. They must've been swimming on that cash if they got any per-copy payments.
Pennywise83
Banned
It's below SRW Z III which sold 15k in its first month (April) and Disgaea 4 Return which sold 5k units in its first month (January).
Magicpaint
Member
Yeah, I assume if they were making the game for Vita they'd never with go that approach. It's a handheld mentality they reserve sepcifically for Nintendo handhelds. I remember the producers of Bravely Default saying they went for chibi designs specifically because they thought it'd sell better. It's shocking how bad FFEX looks compared to the premier PSP efforts.
Maybe Japan is more generous with independent developers, but usually you don't.
That makes sense too. I admit that I was put off by the "kid-friendly" graphical style. It doesn't fit with the genre at all.
Looking at their website Racjin developed those weird looking 3DS games for Nippon Columbia. http://www.racjin.co.jp/game/game_07.html
Didn't some of them sell really well?
Didn't some of them sell really well?
To be fair, though, 3DS's low-res is partly at fault for that. A lot of developers chose Chibi designs with big characters, because more realistic 3D models can become quite a mess when the camera isn't close to them.
Even for the art style it looks poor. It barely looks better than the DS Crystal Chronicles game which had a very similar style.
That's kinda bullshit. The PSP was only marginally higher res and they didn't have a problem there.
Pennywise83
Banned
Yes, the first one sold 250k units.
Another week, another weird tracking discontinuity between Famitsu and MC. When will we see Dengeki to serve as our middle man?
SMTIV did it just fine.
SMTIV did it just fine.
They didn't have the problem on PSP though, just look at Crisis Core and Type 0... No reason why 3DS can't have SE games with such character models.
And Tri G proved 3 years ago how a Hunter game can look on the system.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
There was a time in these threads where you didn't just post sarcastic and condescending comments, you know.
Orniletter
Banned
I don't see how 250k (FFE's first shipment) can be considered a flop.
You can't just declare FFE as Monster Hunter meets Final Fantasy and expect it to do comparative numbers in a vacuum.
Just look at it, it was outsourced to a tiny pretty unknown indipendant developer that developed some weird Nippon Columbia games and a Cooking Mama spin-off before and it had like 2 Nico Nico streams as marketing....and really not much else (as far as I know, someone from Japan could correct me though)
Thats not how you treat a property you expect to do gangbusters .
It was already mentioned but are you ignoring the Monster Hunter games on 3DS on purpose? This was a deliberate decision and has nothing to do with hardware restrictions.
I think it depends on how you look at it. Brand power isn't about blind trust or mindless consumers. People aren't that stupid as you said. I think the FF brand where it counts is still pretty strong. What I mean here would be that there is still a strong passionate fanbase for the series though, and this doesn't really mean "main titles", but rather, the type FF that people are excited for.
Dissidia wasn't popular because it had the FF name on the box, it was popular because it was a fun versus action game with actual FF characters, high production values, and lots of care put into the fanservice (sometimes overbearingly so). Everything from the music, the character choices, the art direction, and the actual polish in the game was exactly what long time FF fans (especially those who got into the series with FFVII onwards) would want in such a versus action game.
A hunting action game with a similar approach would be a very strong formula for success, even now. Simply putting the FF name on something isn't very effective, but making a game which dedicated FF fans would be excited about would certainly be very effective.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
The difference was that during the PS3 you had the Wii selling incredibly well. PS3 was priced high so it was slightly more justified. The system took off closer to the rebrand with the slim, a number of Japanese titles, and a lower price. I believe that was around mid 2009.