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Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yes and Pokemon red/blue are still the best selling pokemon games but Pokemon still exists just fine. A series not hitting it's peak within an environment again is not some great crime when it has yearly consitency. That's worth far more or do you think Yokai watch trajectory is a good model to follow?
Expanding to always made sense but at the cost of handheld support and fragmenting the userbase is just sort sighted.
Does it matter why? People still love the game and the series. Either way things can change. Series can rise or fall even after "x" number of releases.
NintendosBooger
Member
And the PSP games obtained the success from the PS2 titles (MH and MHG), so let's not pretend it started off from scratch and built anew on the PSP .
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Capcom themselves have only stated it's shipped 3.8 on it's updated platinum sellers list so I'm not sure where that site got it's numbers from.
NintendosBooger
Member
It's really strange. It only makes them look bad in the end.
No idea. Those numbers were fairly accurate for other titles. Wonder why it's 3.8 vs 4.2?
edit: re-releases not included?
Yes, Capcom technically considers those separate releases. That said 2nd G might still be overtracked in Japan since the Best release says it sold through a million alone and Capcom doesn't have it in their Platinum charts.
Oh please, the series didn't become a huge success until it took off on PSP.
The difference between what PSP and 3DS inherited is night and day.
So, don't you think that the bad reception of RE6 had anything to do with it?
I'm not in front of my database but I think there were hardware bundles with first reprint.
ethomaz
Banned
Capcom site only list one PSP SKU because it was the only to sell over 1 million. Different SKUs from the same game below 1 million are not listed.
I guess that the issue here like a lot of games listed in that million site.
Only re-releases over 1 million.
lyrick
Member
Titles?
MonHun Series sales
[PSP] MHF3 is the Best selling @ 4.9M
[3DS] MHX is the Second Best @ 4.2M
[3DS] MH4G/U is the Third @ 4.1M
[3DS] MH4 is fourth @ 4.1M
[PSP] MHF2G/U is fifth @ 3.8M
[3DS] MH3G/U is sixth @ 2.6M
[PSP] MHF2 is seventh @ 2.4M
[WII] MH3 is eigth @ 1.9M
[3DS] MHXX is ninth at 1.7M
http://www.capco m.co.jp/ir/english/finance/million.html
While the PSP has the single best selling title, the 3DS has the 2nd, 3rd and 4th best selling.
ethomaz
Banned
I think you need to read again his comment.
What's the deal with Level 5 launching localizations of Layton WW on mobile but not on 3DS? Were they managed by a different studio? 3DS should be higher margin and it says it sold 5k on android so far.
No, since otherwise Resident Evil 7 would have shown strong legs, whereas Resident Evil 6 is the game that showed strong legs instead.
We've also seen that games that are big new pushes for series don't seem dependent on the performance of the prior games:
- Mortal Kombat 2011
- Tomb Raider 2013
- Ghost Recon Wildlands
- Rainbow Six Siege
Consumers are pretty good at evaluating a game on its own merits.
I similarly don't expect God of War PS4 to be impacted by God of War Ascension, or for Spider-Man PS4 to be impacted by the last Activision game.
what? mh was nowhere near successful on PS2. while on PSP it's one of the biggest franchise in Japan.
Nothing really makes sense concerning current Level-5 projects.
Unless the game is a surprise hit which feeds into the anime which then feeds back into the game, it's going to bomb hard.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah makes it almost impossible to know the actual ltd of these titles also you know how much was sold in the west (or first release japanese shipments) and also add in tracked data with it's set of issues.
Next Yo-kai Watch
Funny you should mention The Snack World, as it finally popped up in the Weekly Top 10 that's always filled with the same long-running anime.
First time it appeared in the Top 10, so it seems to finally be gaining traction. No idea what it means for the game.
Speaking of anime, Pokémon has been pretty stable since SM started, much more than previous series. But it's the first year of a new gen, so no surprise.
It will bomb. The response to it seems rather muted. Don't see this becoming Level 5's next milk title
Not in about 10 years at least. Last gamble to pay off was repurposing MH for PSP.
Next Monster Hunter Stories.
That's not a gamble. It's not like they risked anything.
Gambling is fine. Gambling without backup is what is dumb. Gamble what you can lose, not what you can't :S
Yep, they even kept the main line games on the PS2.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Man I barely remember even WATCHING the Snack World anime.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
But that's exactly what the Monster Hunter series has been doing ever since Portable 3rd. Capcom want to grow the franchise, that's not going to happen on 3DS. They'd be absolutely moronic if they didn't try to push the franchise on PS4/XB1 and PC. No one knows what will happen, but Switch alone is not going to get them the growth they need, not now, not with that size of an install base.
This isn't a surefire victory for Capcom, but as I say, they'd be idiots if they didn't at least try.
I doubt, honestly. On the one hand, Monster Hunter supposedly thrives in Japan because it's on handhelds. Why then, would a new Monster Hunter have such a heavy impact on MHXX's potential sales in a region that supposedly only cares about whether or not they can play MH on the commute to work? Do you see why what you're saying doesn't match up with the narrative I'm seeing spun in these threads? Sure, there will be some people who look at MHWorld then XX and wince, but IF Japan cares more about portability, then surely the impact will be minimal.
On the other hand, and I'm playing devil's advocate here, his whole thing COULD instead prove that Japan care more about playing a new Monster Hunter game than where they play it, no? So either way, let's not start propping up MHXX as an excuse for a potentially underperforming MHXX, when the series has been in decline for the past few entries and the game is coming out on a system with a small install base when the 3DS entry has already saturated the market.
The Capcom test.
NintendosBooger
Member
Irrelevant. Claiming the MH series has been on the decline since it left PSP, despite selling 4million+ back-to-back-to-back (MH4, MH4U, MHX), is as disingenuous as stating that Mario has been on the decline since the NES since it hasn't been able to reach the sales of SMB.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
So with Splatoon 2 at 800k+ is there a chance we get a one million announcement from Nintendo of Japan this week?
titiklabingapat
Member
Even RE7 barely made it to that level and it is arguably one of the biggest gaming IP out there.
And people thought monster hunter talk would die down once platforms for the new one are confirmed!!
so I guess 4 to 5 million is the minimum monster hunter world needs to sell worldwide to justify the jump to PS4/xb1/pc. It's doable but it needs to really take off outside Japan. Asian markets would probably help it more than the rest of the world.
so I guess 4 to 5 million is the minimum monster hunter world needs to sell worldwide to justify the jump to PS4/xb1/pc. It's doable but it needs to really take off outside Japan. Asian markets would probably help it more than the rest of the world.
RE7 severely underperformed compared to 5 and 6
boiled goose
good with gravy
I think updating the series for the west to try to tap into successful ps4 makes sense.
What doesn't make sense to me is abandoning the portable audience in the west (and Japan?) completely.
Monster hunter xx and world can coexist. Heck you could even make world for switch and have crossplay between all platforms.
Capcom still seems to believe in a very marked east west mindset. sure there are differences in the markets, but there are synergies to be exploited.
MH fans in the west know that it exists and is coming to Japan and not the west. pushing for global release let's you consolidate marketing budgets and hype. There's a thing called the internet now. We live in a very globalized society.
What doesn't make sense to me is abandoning the portable audience in the west (and Japan?) completely.
Monster hunter xx and world can coexist. Heck you could even make world for switch and have crossplay between all platforms.
Capcom still seems to believe in a very marked east west mindset. sure there are differences in the markets, but there are synergies to be exploited.
MH fans in the west know that it exists and is coming to Japan and not the west. pushing for global release let's you consolidate marketing budgets and hype. There's a thing called the internet now. We live in a very globalized society.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Thing is it's not only about selling copies .
MHW can sell 4 million copies and still make more money than any MH thanks to DD \ DLC etc etc .
Looking at things just as units sales only is not the way to go .
Of course we don't get access to that data but it's still something to think about .
titiklabingapat
Member
Even Nintendo knows this.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I sure capcom knows that since they do it with all there other games .
I think it was a matter of timing more than anything else.
If MHW was coming out lets say late next year i could see it being on everything .
But switch now out and they already full ahead .
mickagau33
Member
Yeah I agree...Yokai Watch 1 sold 53 000 copies during its first week so Snack World should be on par
