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[LukasTaves]

I wonder if these controllers are properly tracked with a Kinect?

Could reignite the fire if the platform is flexible enough to make it easy to support VR/AR and 2d on the same game, even if immersion suffers a bit.

Wow, nice. Calling it now, Scorpio will be compatible with multiple VR headsets

Unfortunately it seems Vive backed out of supporting windows mixed reality reading between the lines of Build speaks. It would be nice to have that kind of support on a console.

But at least seems a given that any mixed reality headset works with them.

If it's $399 for both then that's not bad.

It is for both

 

[hanspampel]

Is the Resolution of those displays high enough?

it's above Oculus and Vive

Oculus / Vive: 1080×1200
Acer / HP MR: 1440 x 1440


but resolution is just one important part for a good VR experience
pixel density, pixel distance, subpixel matrix

 

[Wowfunhappy]

They're trying to do VR + AR + motion control for $400. Will be interested to know whether or not this is a piece of crap.

In case you couldn't tell, I'm not optimistic.

 

[TylerDurden4321]

Is the Resolution of those displays high enough?

PSVR = 1080*960 per eye
Oculus & Vive = 1080*1200 per eye

these new ones here = 1440*1440

edit: beaten

 

[Liliana Eileen]

PSVR = 1080*960 per eye
Oculus & Vive = 1080 x 1200 per eye

these new ones here = 1440*1440

Holy shit. And for $400? That's crazy good.

 

[Auto-Reply]

This doesn't seem suitable for roomscale vr?

Spoiler

Which is the only VR I'm really interested and excited about

I guess we'll have to wait and see for peoples impressions on this matter!

 

[RedAssedApe]

higher resolution requires more horse power though yeah?

 

[FutureLarking]

*-* how many fps is that camera (because "motion blur" on images would make tracking impossible for fast movements), how will this work in a darker room (higher "shutter speed" needs more light) or bad light conditions.... I don't think that's a good idea, but benefit of the doubt for now.

Likely paired with similar IR tracking hololens uses, so don't worry about light, at all. Works lovely, with dedicated processing unit to boot

 

[franklyshankly]

400 with controllers and good res screens sounds awesome. Glad to see prices getting better.

 

[Tain]

I'm skeptical that I'll be able to even do shit like accurately throw a ball given that the controllers need to maintain LoS to have accurate tracking.

I don't know how else they could have handled this without any "external" tracking-related devices, but still.

 

[Kieli]

Yikes. Acer is not a brand I trust for quality.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Likely paired with similar IR tracking hololens uses, so don't worry about light, at all. Works lovely, with dedicated processing unit to boot

Yeah, this is true. From my understanding, all these Windows HMDs are piggy backing off of Hololens's tracking tech.

 

[TylerDurden4321]

Holy shit. And for $400? That's crazy good.

But you gotto think like buying a camera. MegaPixels aren't everything. The lenses need to be good as well so the picture is sharp overall. Vive is supposed to be blurrier on the edges, but offers a higher field of view /more peripheral vision.´

Likely paired with similar IR tracking hololens uses, so don't worry about light, at all. Works lovely, with dedicated processing unit to boot

Ok, cool. Hopefully at least... price seems very low.

 

[psyfi]

Oooh, definitely interested.

 

[Sini]

Looks fine, but what's the resolution? What can we expect from it? If I hear "Windows Store" I'm going to mail Microsoft a bag of dicks.

Windows Store

 

[The Dear Leader]

Oculus Thrift

 

[Widge]

Still hanging around for these things going wireless...

 

[LukasTaves]

This doesn't seem suitable for roomscale vr?

Spoiler

Which is the only VR I'm really interested and excited about

I guess we'll have to wait and see for peoples impressions on this matter!

They actually claim roomscale without any other sensor or setup. The system scans your room as you wear it (impressions on this are quite good on both hololens and the acer devkit Ms sent on gdc)

 

[Windu]

Yikes. Acer is not a brand I trust for quality.

i think Lenovo, HP, Acer and Dell have all announced headsets.

 

[BleedOrange]

2x 1440x1440 is not bad... but what is their tracking solution?

"Inside out tracking" ??? *shrugs*

The Hololens inside-out tracking works flawlessly from what I've heard, and that's exactly what these headsets are using.

 

[Tain]

They actually claim roomscale without any other sensor or setup. The system scans your room as you wear it (impressions on this are quite good on both hololens and the acer devkit Ms sent on gdc)

Hololens doesn't have any sort of hand controller, though, does it? Hand controllers introduce a ton of room for occlusion issues.

I don't know. When people talk about "roomscale" it generally means "what the Vive is like", and I can't see this having the same kind of hand tracking reliability. I would love to be wrong.

 

[Shin-Ra]

What's up with the shape of those analog sticks?

I wonder if these controllers are properly tracked with a Kinect?

At 30Hz?

 

[wwm0nkey]

They actually claim roomscale without any other sensor or setup. The system scans your room as you wear it (impressions on this are quite good on both hololens and the acer devkit Ms sent on gdc)

To give people an idea of how the Hololens scans things

 

[ForkNetwork]

Interesting, it will be interesting to see how it compares to PSVR

 

[mcrommert]

The acer one looks extremely nice...doubt these will be as good for gaming but for the price they are very interesting

 

[michaelius]

Looks fine, but what's the resolution? What can we expect from it? If I hear "Windows Store" I'm going to mail Microsoft a bag of dicks.

That's what I'm wondering - will this work only with apps from windows store or do they support classic win32 model.

 

[Wardancer]

They actually claim roomscale without any other sensor or setup. The system scans your room as you wear it (impressions on this are quite good on both hololens and the acer devkit Ms sent on gdc)

If it doesn't use any other sensors than the headset, the hands can only track if you look at them with the headset. Thats a pretty terrible solution. Also the controllers look pretty awkward to use, hard to actions that require your hands to be close to each other such as reloading weapons.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Windows Store

*mails*

PSVR = 1080*960 per eye
Oculus & Vive = 1080*1200 per eye

these new ones here = 1440*1440

edit: beaten

oh that's exciting

 

[hanspampel]

The acer one looks extremely nice...doubt these will be as good for gaming but for the price they are very interesting

why do you say the Acer one looks nice and post a picture of the HP one?

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

Until other head sets can use Rift content...

revive

 

[bomblord1]

Does it support OSVR standards? What about SteamVR?

If they're trying to release their own VR ecosystem and not open support for other standards I can't see it being good for them or the market in general.

 

[NolbertoS]

I predict that a large group of posters here on GAF that previously hated VR will come around after this announcement.

Not me. It needs to come down lower and needs bigger publisher support before I think VR is gonna be mainstream someday. Indie support doesn't count BTW. Talking about EA, Namco, Ubisoft, Take Two, etc

Regarding this reveal, interesting VR from MS. Maybe MS throws more money at VR someday to make it work.

 

[thiscoldblack]

Acer? Hmm. No thanks.

 

[wwm0nkey]

Acer? Hmm. No thanks.

There is HP too

 

[Business]

I will be suprised if the controllers don't have important occlusion problems. 400$ seems like a very reasonable price though.

 

[Jessie.Bristol]

Acer? Hmm. No thanks.

Acer and HP were announced today, but at a previous event Microsoft also announced Lenovo and Dell would be manufacturing headsets as well.

 

[cakely]

Oculus Thrift

Thatsrealgood.gif

Also, it's nice to see that these sets use the "crown support" method that the PSVR uses instead of the "strap to the face" method that Oculus uses. It really is the more comfortable solution.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

Acer and HP were announced today, but at a previous event Microsoft also announced Lenovo and Dell would be manufacturing headsets as well.

So pretty much all the major OEMs? What about Asus?

 

[RedRum]

Oh wow. It's for both virtual and augmented reality. Not a bad price either. I'm intrigued!

 

[c0de]

I still don't think this vr thing will be big in gaming in the near future and this is like a me2 device.

I predict that a large group of posters here on GAF that previously hated VR will come around after this announcement.

And honestly? That's a good thing. I can't wait to see the resolution of the display and how well inside-out tracking works on the new headset.

EDIT: The controllers are tracked by the headset? Interesting, I'd like to see how developers work around that restriction.

Ah, the vr police is also here.

 

[thiscoldblack]

There is HP too

Just saw it. I don't like HP, but the build might be decent enough.

 

[JaggedSac]

I don't think VR ever cut down fanboy lines. 95% want it to be a thing while 5% just can't physically do it due to sickness.

Found out a few months ago at a BestBuy that I am part of the 5%. Was fine while I was playing but a few minutes afterwards and my brain went to shit. Felt bad for several hours later.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

Does it support OSVR standards? What about SteamVR?

If they're trying to release their own VR ecosystem and not open support for other standards I can't see it being good for them or the market in general.

Well, Valve will probably add support in SteamVR regardless of what Microsoft does.

 

[mcrommert]

why do you say the Acer one looks nice and post a picture of the HP one?

Cause i bad at words

the hp one looks nice

 

[LukasTaves]

Hololens doesn't have any sort of hand controller, though, does it? Hand controllers introduce a ton of room for occlusion issues.

I don't know. When people talk about "roomscale" it generally means "what the Vive is like", and I can't see this having the same kind of hand tracking reliability. I would love to be wrong.

If I understood it correctly these controllers work with hololens too.

What's up with the shape of those analog sticks?


At 30Hz?

The 30fps is for high resolution required for the body tracking. Perhaps the camera can support other resolution modes with different frame rate (first one did iirc) and since the LEDs there would be less need for the extra precision.

If it doesn't use any other sensors than the headset, the hands can only track if you look at them with the headset. Thats a pretty terrible solution. Also the controllers look pretty awkward to use, hard to actions that require your hands to be close to each other such as reloading weapons.

It doesn't use any external sensors, but it's likely the controllers have the basic motion control sensors in it.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

If it doesn't use any other sensors than the headset, the hands can only track if you look at them with the headset. Thats a pretty terrible solution. Also the controllers look pretty awkward to use, hard to actions that require your hands to be close to each other such as reloading weapons.

From earlier in the thread:

According to Microsoft the controllers have an inertial measurement unit (IMU) and use inverse kinematics to allow for some tracking when they’re not in the camera’s view.

https://uploadvr.com/microsoft-motio...headsets-6dof/

So, still inferior to the outside in solutions, but at least it's something.

 

[Jessie.Bristol]

So pretty much all the major OEMs? What about Asus?

Yep, Asus as well, forgot to add them. Here is a quote from back in January:

Microsoft isn't expected to sell Windows 10 VR headsets commercially. Those will be available later this year through companies Lenovo, Acer, Asus, HP, Dell and 3Glasses, which demonstrated headsets at the CES trade show earlier this month.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3158...-windows-10-vr-headsets-to-ship-in-march.html

Seems the headsets were a bit delayed as they were supposed to begin shipping to developers in March.

 

[DieH@rd]

Price and 1440x1440 x2 @ 90hz is good.

But if they are not SteamVR/OpenVR compatibile, I don't care.

 

[collige]

Resolution seems good and I'm assuming there's open VR support, so this looks better than I expected. Not sold at all on the controller tracking claims though.

 

[MTC100]

I wonder if these controllers are properly tracked with a Kinect?

I wouldn't bet on it, kinect is much worse at tracking stuff than MS wanted to make us believe all this time...