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[Tain]

It doesn't use any external sensors, but it's likely the controllers have the basic motion control sensors in it.

Yup. And that reliance on blind tracking is why I'm worried that the basic actions needed for VR games like Robo Recall, Budget Cuts, and Space Pirate Trainer will be far less reliable on this technology.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

I don't think VR ever cut down fanboy lines. 95% want it to be a thing while 5% just can't physically do it due to sickness.

Found out a few months ago at a BestBuy that I am part of the 5%. Was fine while I was playing but a few minutes afterwards and my brain went to shit. Felt bad for several hours later.

This doesn't mean you can't play VR, you just need to play different games.

The Lab, Budget Cuts, and SuperHot should never make anyone motion sick, ever, unless the computer screws up.

What's important is that the world should never move when you aren't moving in reality. I find games that do this much more immersive anyway.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Fucking sweet!
400 is a great price point.

 

[UltimaKilo]

This price is really surprising. Aggressive pricing is good. I love my PSVR, but I'm still waiting for 240Hz, 4K panels (2k per eye) and around 120 degree FOV. I can't see us getting this before 2020.

 

[wwm0nkey]

Found out a few months ago at a BestBuy that I am part of the 5%. Was fine while I was playing but a few minutes afterwards and my brain went to shit. Felt bad for several hours later.

Roomscale helps with this A LOT. I've demoed the Vive to at least 1000+ people by now and some on the Rift feel sick but have 0 issues once they play something like The Lab on the Vive.

 

[Alienous]

I'm ready for Microsoft to beam me up to VR Scorpio land.

PlayStation VR, whilst novel, feels like a half-measure.

 

[Melon Husk]

Limited tracking and no OLED panel explains the difference to Rift.

 

[hanspampel]

Price and 1440x1440 x2 @ 90hz is good.

But if they are not SteamVR/OpenVR compatibile, I don't care.

they are

 

[LukasTaves]

Yup. And that reliance on blind tracking is why I'm worried that the basic actions needed for VR games like Robo Recall, Budget Cuts, and Space Pirate Trainer will be far less reliable on this technology.

I don't see why. Any of those games requires you to operate stuff you are not looking at?

There's very little scenarios I can see not having absolute accurate hand precision when out of sight being an issue.

 

[Kurdel]

I loooove the super utilitarian look of the Acer hmd.

 

[LordBaztion]

Please don't have live VR demos on E3's stage. Also, don't invest much into this thing, focus on games for every xbox owner.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

Yep, Asus as well, forgot to add them. Here is a quote from back in January:



http://www.pcworld.com/article/3158...-windows-10-vr-headsets-to-ship-in-march.html

Seems the headsets were a bit delayed as they were supposed to begin shipping to developers in March.

Thanks!

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

What's the rez 720p? Lol. Hope yall like pixels.

 

[Trace]

What's the rez 720p? Lol. Hope yall like pixels.

Nice hot take. They're 1440x1440 per eye, two screens.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Controller looks good. That Acer VR headset though looks shit.

 

[LukasTaves]

Roomscale helps with this A LOT. I've demoed the Vive to at least 1000+ people by now and some on the Rift feel sick but have 0 issues once they play something like The Lab on the Vive.

That's interesting. Never tested Vive, just rift and didn't liked it at all. Though ​other than the illness I couldn't stand the helmet it felt super uncomfortable.

I hope someday they can make it a contact lens probably the only way I'll be able to enjoy it XD

 

[Wowfunhappy]

Not me. It needs to come down lower and needs bigger publisher support before I think VR is gonna be mainstream someday. Indie support doesn't count BTW. Talking about EA, Namco, Ubisoft, Take Two, etc

How is Crytek, Ubisoft, Epic Games, and Warner Brothers? (The Climb, Eagle Flight, Robo Recall, Arkham VR)

 

[BleedOrange]

Does it support OSVR standards? What about SteamVR?

If they're trying to release their own VR ecosystem and not open support for other standards I can't see it being good for them or the market in general.

You mean the market that's already bad, in general?

 

[Liliana Eileen]

What's the rez 720p? Lol. Hope yall like pixels.

This is going to backfire on you pretty hard 😂😂😂

 

[m23]

Please don't have live VR demos on E3's stage. Also, don't invest much into this thing, focus on games for every xbox owner.

It's probably going to be Fallout or Minecraft VR on Scorpio.

 

[wwm0nkey]

That's interesting. Never tested Vive, just rift and didn't liked it at all. Though ​other than the illness I couldn't stand the helmet it felt super uncomfortable.

I hope someday they can make it a contact lens probably the only way I'll be able to enjoy it XD

If you have a local Microsoft store, try the Vive out there if they still have it.

 

[Detective]

What's the rez 720p? Lol. Hope yall like pixels.

Knowledge, get some so you won't look so stupid.

 

[Rolf NB]

The controllers are symmetric. How will Xbox users cope?

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

Please don't have live VR demos on E3's stage. Also, don't invest much into this thing, focus on games for every xbox owner.

if they use green screens and those cameras that project whats happening around the player a live demo would work cant just have a guy standing up there with nothing going on around him

 

[Defect]

What's the rez 720p? Lol. Hope yall like pixels.

You don't do a lot of reading do you?

 

[cakely]

I still don't think this vr thing will be big in gaming in the near future and this is like a me2 device.



Ah, the vr police is also here.

Please tell me how my positive reply makes me "the VR police". Thanks in advance.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Looks like Microsoft Studios had a hand in the design

https://twitter.com/ishmae1/status/862736140486328320

 

[bumpkin]

Hopefully it pushes the price down. I hope Sony is working on a 2nd gen version to be paired with the ps5.



Isn't that the price of the core PSVR unit?

Is it, but PSVR doesn't come with Move Controllers and a Camera, not at the 399 SKU. That's the 499 bundle that has a game.

PSVR price drop to 399 for the bundle and 299 for the Core Unit, incoming this fall.

 

[mcrommert]

What's the rez 720p? Lol. Hope yall like pixels.

The controllers are symmetric. How will Xbox users cope?

This really isn't a good look guys

 

[KissDaRing]

I'm actually really excited about this. The price is awesome too...

 

[BleedOrange]

So pretty much all the major OEMs? What about Asus?

I'm sure with Asus' gamer caché they're probably working on a higher-specced HMD.

 

[Raide]

Need a Scorpio Bundle.

 

[vermadas]

they are

Source?

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

I predict that a large group of posters here on GAF that previously hated VR will come around after this announcement.

And honestly? That's a good thing. I can't wait to see the resolution of the display and how well inside-out tracking works on the new headset.

EDIT: The controllers are tracked by the headset? Interesting, I'd like to see how developers work around that restriction.

While I don't hate VR, I'm certainly not interested in the tech, and there isn't much that can make me interested.

 

[JaggedSac]

This doesn't mean you can't play VR, you just need to play different games.

The Lab, Budget Cuts, and SuperHot should never make anyone motion sick, ever, unless the computer screws up.

What's important is that the world should never move when you aren't moving in reality. I find games that do this much more immersive anyway.

That could be it, I was playing The Climb or some such and I was definitely moving in the VR world and not in the real, lol.

 

[Melon Husk]

Cheap optics and panel don't show up on paper. The controllers' main purpose is manipulating 3D models and browsing menus.

I'm sure with Asus' gamer caché they're probably working on a higher-specced HMD.

Asus ROG XH2000 HMD sneak peek

 

[KingGreasy]

These headsets aren't using OLED displays

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

The Rift and Vive have only been on market for slightly over a year.

Really? I feel like we've been hearing about the Oculus Rift for something like a half-decade now.

 

[nstine]

Here's a hands-on impression with a prototype build of one of the headsets from GDC in march (the prototype was limited to 60hz which led to motion blur and lacked motion controllers which are both taken care of with the dev kit build):

https://uploadvr.com/gdc-2017-hands-on-with-microsofts-first-windows-holographic-vr-headset/

The flip-up screen sounds like a particularly useful feature.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

Please tell me how my positive reply makes me "the VR police". Thanks in advance.

Dont know what VR police even means, but you tried to bring console warzzzz in here, got called out by a few people and never answered.

I'm sure with Asus' gamer caché they're probably working on a higher-specced HMD.

Well I assume as much but it's probably going to be expensive as hell.

 

[blue_phazon]

Guy on stage at Build today said look out for E3 for mixed reality stuff. Looks like VR/AR garbage will plague MS conference this year.

 

[giancarlo123x]

Lord that is one ugly headset, the price is nice though.

 

[Avtomat]

Can someone clarify if these use inside out tracking, your hands will not be tracked if they are outside the cameras FoV? How wide then is the camera's FoV.

 

[Trace]

Guy on stage at Build today said look out for E3 for mixed reality stuff. Looks like VR/AR garbage will plague MS conference this year.

Good to see you have an open mind about it.

 

[LordBaztion]

if they use green screens and those cameras that project whats happening around the player a live demo would work cant just have a guy standing up there with nothing going on around him

they could make the most impressive mock up the can, like the 2015's Minecraft for HoloLens demo, but it is still headed to a small audience and VR is no longer impressive. They are late to the party.

 

[Tain]

I don't see why. Any of those games requires you to operate stuff you are not looking at?

There's very little scenarios I can see not having absolute accurate hand precision when out of sight being an issue.

Robo Recall and Space Pirate Trainer have you grabbing equipment off your back or belt all the time, not to mention guns in the environment, grabbing enemy robots by the handle as they're to your side, etc. Stuff that you do a lot of at high-speeds. Budget Cuts and Robo Recall also have you throwing things all the time (Budget Cuts is particularly big on throw accuracy), and how often are you actually looking at your arm as you follow through?

 

[nstine]

Pre-order pages for the dev kits are up (expected to ship sometime this summer):

Acer (US):
https://www.microsoftstore.com/stor...06771200?icid=Acer_Mixed_Reality_051117_en_US

HP (US):
https://www.microsoftstore.com/stor...5106762300?icid=HP_Mixed_Reality_051117_en_US

Acer (Canada):
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/store/d/product/8PB4TWX13M2N?icid=Acer_Mixed_Reality_051117_en_CA

HP (Canada):
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/store/d/product/91THZQTVGSPF?icid=HP_Mixed_Reality_051117_en_CA

Other countries can sign up to be notified when available:
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/projects/campaigns/windows-mixed-reality

EDIT: It mentions at the bottom of the page that on or around August 2017 is the expected time for availability.

 

[Trace]

Pre-order pages for the dev kits are up (expected to ship sometime this summer):

Acer (US):
https://www.microsoftstore.com/stor...06771200?icid=Acer_Mixed_Reality_051117_en_US

HP (US):
https://www.microsoftstore.com/stor...5106762300?icid=HP_Mixed_Reality_051117_en_US

Acer (Canada):
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/store/d/product/8PB4TWX13M2N?icid=Acer_Mixed_Reality_051117_en_CA

HP (Canada):
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/store/d/product/91THZQTVGSPF?icid=HP_Mixed_Reality_051117_en_CA

Other countries can sign up to be notified when available:
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/projects/campaigns/windows-mixed-reality

There don't have the controllers though, makes them kinda worthless. Weird.

 

[Gestault]

Lord that is one ugly headset, the price is nice though.

I think if you take out the "Scott Summers" blue, it's really not a bad look:

 

[BleedOrange]

Robo Recall and Space Pirate Trainer have you grabbing equipment off your back or belt all the time, not to mention guns in the environment, grabbing enemy robots by the handle as they're to your side, etc. Stuff that you do a lot of at high-speeds. Budget Cuts and Robo Recall also have you throwing things all the time (Budget Cuts is particularly big on throw accuracy), and how often are you actually looking at your arm as you follow through?

Most all of these motions can be taken care of using the sensors in the actual motion controllers. But, you're right, it remains to be seen.