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krypt0nian
Banned
So let's rack this up -
.crap battery life
.no mp3 out of the box
.games/movies priced at console/dvd levels
.additional battery a forced purchase
.pricing unknown but all accounts seem to place it at home console levels
The whole "next Walkman" thing is out the window IMHO
.crap battery life
.no mp3 out of the box
.games/movies priced at console/dvd levels
.additional battery a forced purchase
.pricing unknown but all accounts seem to place it at home console levels
The whole "next Walkman" thing is out the window IMHO
That's called read-only, not proprietary.Ferarrismo said:
You know, a bit like CD used to be for first 5 years of its existence.Incidentially UMD will be in other devices too - it's not limited to PSP or Sony alone. Whether it will stay readonly, and how successfull it's going to be, is another matter.
These are due out in the fall...
http://www.samsung.com/DigitAll/GlobalExhibition/Exhibition/ICES2004/ppk/YH999/ppk_YH999_over.htm
http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?prodid=9882
http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/pmp-120.aspx
They play WMV, WMA, MP3, and show pictures.
They do not check for DRM or anything on the videos you copy and convert onto them... they'll take DivXes, AVIs, MPEGs, anything you want. They get converted to WMV and copied.
http://www.samsung.com/DigitAll/GlobalExhibition/Exhibition/ICES2004/ppk/YH999/ppk_YH999_over.htm
http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?prodid=9882
http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/pmp-120.aspx
They play WMV, WMA, MP3, and show pictures.
They do not check for DRM or anything on the videos you copy and convert onto them... they'll take DivXes, AVIs, MPEGs, anything you want. They get converted to WMV and copied.
I'm a big PSP supporter, and honestly, I'm positive it will be successful and hold a lead over DS , but these little 'tidbits' are getting annoying. I'm not worried about the whole converting MP3 to ATRACT thing, because I've done it before and it's quick and sound quality is the same.
Sony needs to come on out and confirm things instead of leaving it up in the air for speculation.
Sony needs to come on out and confirm things instead of leaving it up in the air for speculation.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It speaks volumes that Edge magazine editors were that impressed with PSP, (to proclaim death of GBA), and no tiny misworded tidbits can change the global positive outlook they gave.
In other words, that's the same thing you can already do with Pocket PCs, (or even PSP as you have to convert videos to appropriate format). Samsung's device looks nice, though, but the screen looks very small. I'm not even sure why is Microsoft pushing this whole concept when their Pocket PC already does all that and more... Focused handheld media playback machines (where the media is not a standard DVD) - I'm not sure how popular that will be.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Admín said:
$49.98 for 128 MB ( always go Sandisk ), for as low as $68 you can get a 256 MB one and for as low as $129 you can get a 512 MB one.
With 128 MB, ATRAC3+ and getting funky with the MPEG4 AVC compressor ( simple solution: not going for DVD quality [max quality setting] ).
They plan to store of very colorful and fast moving movies like 2-2.5 hours on a single 1.8 GB UMD and that would go to 4+ hours with a lower ( but still very good quality ) MPEG4 AVC compression setting. This would give about 2 hours or more with 450 MB: now, you can reduce the size of the movie by going to 16 bits color from the default 24 bits per color, and you can reduce the resolution a bit and you can prolly fit a nice 2 hours movie in a single 256 MB Memory Stick Pro Duo module.
You can fit shorter movies, music videos and music with your game saves ina single cheap 128 MB Memory Stick Pro Duo module.
There's no link or wearable battery for Nintendo DS. He was playing 'Wag the Dog'. Either way you slice it, a wearable battery is one of the most idiotic ideas ever put into action. A freaking wearable battery pack. Say that several times, won't you? Wearable. Battery. Pack.
Hell no.
Hell no.
SolidSnakex
Member
You could just simply not wear the battery pack. Just because it was created to be worn doesn't mean you actually have to do it.
mightynine
Member
Panajev2001a said:
Pana, you're assuming average joe is willing to go through all of this just to watch a movie.
Every PSP thread thus far has been more about wagging the dog as well, and this one is no different.
With regard to the possibility of ATRAC only music playback on the PSP, I guess I have 2 questions for the crowd: 1) Did any of you really expect that MP3 would be the last format you'd have to convert to for portable music? and 2) Considering the DRM movement isn't going anywhere and is only likely to grow in influence over digital music distribution, what's everyone's opinion as to what should be the standard, given that there isn't one...AAC? WMA? ATRAC? Or Something Else?
Don't presume that my questions are in defense of Sony's choice - what I'm trying to understand is what the specific objection is here, given that the history of portable music is rife with conversions to new/different formats. In my own time, I've recorded cassette tapes, burnt CDs, mixed Minidiscs and now most recently been shuffling tracks between flash media and hdd units. Conversions that have occurred along the way are almost irrelevant because its part and parcel to the overall act of moving my music between different, incompatible portable playback devices. At least in the early days with cassette tapes the physical media and the data format of the song existed in a 1:1 relationship but now you spend more time worrying about whether your device supports one (or more) of many data formats. I have a Creative Nomad Zen jukebox at the moment. It supports, WAV, MP3 and WMA, but not AAC. So if I want to buy a song from iTunes, my only recourse is to burn CD and then rip again to one of the supported formats on the Zen.
Anyone who likes to take their music with them has probably spent more time converting and migrating their music library over the years than they care to admit and the current situation is no different for any of us. So what is the PSP bringing to the table that is any different from what we've grown accustomed to and what we currently deal with?
You. Are. Not. Forced. To. Wear. It. So. Why. Give. A. Shit?Lost Weekend said:
With regard to the possibility of ATRAC only music playback on the PSP, I guess I have 2 questions for the crowd: 1) Did any of you really expect that MP3 would be the last format you'd have to convert to for portable music? and 2) Considering the DRM movement isn't going anywhere and is only likely to grow in influence over digital music distribution, what's everyone's opinion as to what should be the standard, given that there isn't one...AAC? WMA? ATRAC? Or Something Else?
Don't presume that my questions are in defense of Sony's choice - what I'm trying to understand is what the specific objection is here, given that the history of portable music is rife with conversions to new/different formats. In my own time, I've recorded cassette tapes, burnt CDs, mixed Minidiscs and now most recently been shuffling tracks between flash media and hdd units. Conversions that have occurred along the way are almost irrelevant because its part and parcel to the overall act of moving my music between different, incompatible portable playback devices. At least in the early days with cassette tapes the physical media and the data format of the song existed in a 1:1 relationship but now you spend more time worrying about whether your device supports one (or more) of many data formats. I have a Creative Nomad Zen jukebox at the moment. It supports, WAV, MP3 and WMA, but not AAC. So if I want to buy a song from iTunes, my only recourse is to burn CD and then rip again to one of the supported formats on the Zen.
Anyone who likes to take their music with them has probably spent more time converting and migrating their music library over the years than they care to admit and the current situation is no different for any of us. So what is the PSP bringing to the table that is any different from what we've grown accustomed to and what we currently deal with?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Fularu said:Panajev2001a said:How is this limited ?
You cannot play .mp3... whaaaaa whaaaaaa whaa wha.... the software you will use to put the music on the Memory Stick will do the conversion for you on the fly.
What is the issue ?
Nice change of tactics man, you only took like the lowest quality setting for ATRAC3+.
I listen to tons of comedy on ATRAC3 at 64 Kbps ( lowest quality possible in that format IIRC ) and I have lots of CD ripped at 132 Kbps ATRAC3 that sound quite good actually.
Also, maybe take something better than 192 Kbps .mp3 files: oh wait, you cannot as these files sound cough...Kazaaa-ed...cough...
Take a CD you own
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Panajev2001a said:
The same guy who takes long flights overseas, or from NYC to LA, hell, from Boston to Miami with car travel, waiting in the terminal, etc. How about a drive to the beach? I live in Philly, about an hour away from the beach. I'm screwed if I want to play on the drive their, play on the drive back. Then I have to plan for the next time I want to play by plugging it in. I may be the only guy but I hate the fact that my cellphone battery is running out of juice quicker and quicker. The ideal would be for the battery to last me a week, with minimal usage. But after 3-4 days, I'd better charge it or it'll die at the worst time. It's not that it's that big of deal, but it can be when all of a sudden, it becomes another factor or annoyance. I bought a GBA in the beginning cuz I needed entertainment for my 14 hour flight to Australia. The whole purpose of having a GBA in the beginning was for portable play. I play it a lot now cuz of Advance Wars. But I didn't originally, it was just their for travel. It'll be a nice hurdle for customers when everybody starts bitching about the battery.
Quit the BS. There's a few chinks in the armour.
I shouldn't even get on ATRAC. Sure, Sony uses it for MD players but ask most MD owners, the software sucks. I hate it. I don't use my MD player as much cuz it's a hassle. If I ever get the urge to leave the house in 2 minutes, then decide I want to upload some new music, it's a wait. A wait for too long just to have some music. Then it becomes another thing I have to plan for. That's why I can't stand the fucker. Say you wake up in the morning and right before you leave, a song pops up into your head that you want to listen to. Well, sit you ass back down and wait the five minutes it takes just to upload it. Of course five minutes is an exaggeration for one song, but I've never uploaded just one song onto my MD. So, it's become more of a pain in the ass. And Real Player is hated on this board and for good reason. It's barely better for MD players and sucks in general. WTF happened to convenience?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
skinnyrattler said:
If you are on a plane, on a long car ride: I do not see the issue with the extra battery pack. It fits in a pocket or purse or backpack quite nicely.
You guys are already assuming that 99% of PSP games will last for about 2 hours maximum before the unit is even out.
I have a MD player, the software is fine and has never given me problems. RealPlayer One as far as NetMD music management is fine and REalPlayer is generally hated for other things mostly and is also quite a sport to hate on it on GAF.
Keep all your songs in ATRAC3+ format on the PC, do not delete them and then keep adding to the collection: the transfer of the songs will not take that much ( it does not even on USB 1.1 ).
Neutron Night
Banned
See what kind of shit happens when you get excited about portable systems? You realize that nothing really good can happen. I hope you've learned a valuable lesson. That lesson is: PORTABLE SYSTEMS SUCK.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
WordofGod said:
I think you missed a nice thread which might still be in the first page.
p_xavier
Authorized Fister
For those who question the ATRAC3plus codec. With Sonicstage 2.0, there's UNLIMITED check in/out so it's not an hassle anymore, actually, I find it much easier and efficient than iTunes. As for the codec itself, there the 256kbps ATRAC3plus version, which will destroy any MP3, AAC for its sound quality. So no, you don't have to use the 45kpbs version since there's a much higher quality codec available and it's backwards compatible with any ATRAC3plus device.
It's funny, this back and forth is going to continue until the DS and PSP's launches while the reality is that both will be niche formats at the most. The GBA SP probably has two more great holidays to look forward to before Nintendo decides to move forward with the next GB. I think Edge is being a little hasty by declaring the death of the GB--plenty of competitors thought they had it beat. And all this little things questions that are poping up about the DS and PSP don't generate a lot of confidence in either product.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I'd like to see that interview, because from all I've seen, it was never mentioned. I think IGN just made some assumption about it, and even if it's true, noone will beat you with the stick over the head if you just put it in the backpack or a pocket. That's of course if you are even willing to buy such a thing in the first place.
Outdoor Miner
Member
BTW, with Sonicstage 2.0, you can transfer mp3's to ATRAC 256k which is what i use exclusively now.
Marconelly said:
Try hooking your PocketPC to a home theatre system.
I think all of the above units also have video out, so you can take your TV shows or videos over to a friends place, and just plug it directly into a TV.
Also they all have at least 20GB storage. Can't do that with a PocketPC.
And they have better battery life than most PocketPCs playing media because they're optimized for media.
Plus they have a much better UI than PocketPCs for media tasks.
They're not the same at all.
Portable Media Centers are trying to be the iPod of media, PocketPCs are a PC in your pocket.
<<I'd rather put that external battery in my pocket then wear it on my wrist and look retarded.
each of the green lights represent what now?>>
I think the reason Sony wants you to wear it on your wrist and not in your pocket, is because if you wore it in your pocket, no one would be able to see that big PSP logo. =)
each of the green lights represent what now?>>
I think the reason Sony wants you to wear it on your wrist and not in your pocket, is because if you wore it in your pocket, no one would be able to see that big PSP logo. =)