To be fair, NPCs still have emotional states that you can manipulate in the final game. The problem is that there is very little gameplay functionality it provides.
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Most Downgraded game
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velociraptor
Junior Member
To everyone saying Watch_Dogs
Sorry but Watch_Dogs looks fucking awful.
Yes, you've posted a shot with insane DOF. Congrats - DOF makes everything look good.
Castef
Banned
The Last Guardian.
velociraptor
Junior Member
The worst downgrades are Watch_Dogs and Dark Souls II.
The Praiseworthy
Member
Final Fantasy XIII
Isn't the first one pre-rendered and the 2nd one re-done using in-game models?
But the environment hmmm.
Possibly the worst first reply I've ever seen on gaf. KZ2 is one of the best looking games of last gen. The only way you could have made this answer worse is if you said uncharted
DryvBy
Member
I remember reading a preview for Halo 2 saying there would be destructible environments.
Dark Souls 2 is my answer but it looks like it "might" be fixed later. (via PS4/XB1 - maybe)
I remember reading a preview for Halo 2 saying there would be destructible environments.
Dark Souls 2 is my answer but it looks like it "might" be fixed later.
Dark Souls 2 wasn't downgraded.
They were just showing PS4 footage the whole time huehue.
No they didn't. I bet you to find me even one instance where they (the developers or sony) claimed it was gameplay.
It was a target render and a target render is suppose to show the vision of the developer with regards to the artstyle, atmosphere and general look they want to achieve....not a goal that they want to achieve in real time graphics because that's impossible.
Blackstarhat
Member
The final product looks like an N64 game.
timetokill
Banned
Here ya go buddy: http://youtu.be/nI15BGscFac?t=3m46s
Keighley: "There was Killzone... a lot of people were excited about that. People were wondering though, y'know, was some of this stuff real, was it CGI, it looked so good. I mean, what was the sense from you? Is there some stuff in there that's just, y'know, computer smoke and mirrors?"
Tretton: "It's definitely real. I guess we're pretty good at keeping secrets because the dev kits were out there. The dev kits are very intuitive, so people did some incredible things. And that's one thing Ted wanted to make sure everybody understood, that is real gameplay everybody is seeing out there. And I think --"
Keighley: "So it is gameplay, all that stuff is all gameplay?"
Tretton: "It is gameplay."
UncleCross
Member
It has to be Destiny. It barely resembles what they claimed it was going to be.
Come on man, that stuff is all totally in the game and influences gameplay in relevant ways! Watch this for proof http://youtu.be/Um-9JsxMr4A?t=18m17s
Can I have your N64?
Dark_castle
Junior Member
What's the difference?
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Have you ever played an N64 game?
I remember having discussions about this, and it was definitely deliberate lying and misleading on sonys part. They wanted to push their narrative of the uber powerful ps3 and needed something like that to trump gears.
I mean it's all good now, and it was a long time ago. Still this was super douchey on sonys part...
yurinka
Member
Well, seems that after 4 patches they fixed many things, it isn't perfect but there has been a great improvement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdji6gQHp4I
I'd say the game was released unpolished with many bugs to fix and performance issues, that many of them have been fixed (with framerate drops near big crowds and the NPC noticiable pop in as 'big' remaining issues).
But I wouldn't call it downgrade, the visual quality seems to be the same after and before the patches, and when it was released (comparing gameplay vs gameplay, obviously not gameplay vs some CGI they may have released).
Fbh
Member
Really?
I don't own that many ps4 games but most of them look and play about as good as advertised.
Pro tip: I don't own any ubisoft games
You bet me, and so here it goes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nI15BGscFac#t=226
What do I win?
THAT IS REAL GAMEPLAY!
I still haven't gotten over it and I don't think I ever will...
Man if they want to bring back goodwill - they should just do like a director's cut edition of Halo 2 or something - I would assume they still have the original plans lying around somewhere...
Alcoholikaust
Member
You both win fuck all lol.
I already posted this 2 pages ago. Everyone brings that interview up but he's actually talking about Resistance Fall of Man there mistakenly.
Why do you think he'd say "That's one thing Ted wanted to make sure" if he wasn't talking about Resistance? Ted as in Ted Price.
The question Tretton was asked was "what about the other demos that we were shown" , Killzone 2 was a trailer.
Just because Doritopope is focused on KZ2 and they have the KZ2 trailer playing while the interview is taking place does not mean whatever Tretton is saying is about Killzone. He even specifically clarified that he was talking about Resistance later, and why would he lie only for Phil Harrison to say it was a video target render just days later?
ScepticMatt
Member
I was so hyped about spore before it went shit.
Waylon Drums
Member
It was surely downgraded but I don't think I have the same copy of Watch Dogs as everyone else.
It's ugly? News to me.
It's ugly? News to me.
Yeah, whatever you want t believe. I can't fathom the thought of Geoff clearly mentioning Killzone 2, and saying that was a lot of confusion about it being gameplay or not and asking "is it gameplay" for Trenton to confuse it with Resitance.
Buuuut... whatever. You asked if they ever said that it was gameplay, and, confused or not, yes, they said it. And plenty of people reported it as such after that.
Regardless, they never reached that.
lol my one buddy who barely games used to use that as an insult all the time.
I remember we were playing Halo ODST in college and he was like "yo this looks like an N64 game"
SkylineRKR
Member
Have you seen the TGS 06 gameplay? WKC looked ridiculously good there. Would even pass for a PS4 game in terms of clothing, animations, lighting and all. No JRPG looks that good.
It's actually me who should say whatever you want to believe.
Just watch the video again..and answer me one question, if he was so clearly lying about Killzone 2 and not confused.
Why would he mention Ted Price ?
Geoff also jumped to conclusion a lot perhaps due to excitement,
Tretton : "it was gameplay" referring to resistance.
Geoff: (before Tretton even finished) "So that was all gameplay ?" - Referring to Killzone 2.
Tretton "Yea it was all gameplay" - thinking he is still talking about Resistance
And Boom...Sony is now tagged a liar.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
I was so disappointed that Watch Dogs lost all of its nextgen open world flourishes that I skipped it and refuse to give it a chance.
That nextgen gameplay.
That nextgen gameplay.
Sony IS a liar, though:
If not because of Kilzone 2, because of Motorstorm. Hell, E3 2005 was a bunch of lies.
http://kotaku.com/5082624/motorstorms-target-render-pissed-us-off-a-lot-say-devs
Come on man, pack it up.
It's not the customers responsibility to clear up things some ceo might have confused. They could have easily cleared this up after everyone was reporting on trentons words, and guess what, they didn't. Clear misleading and consumer unfriendly practice on sonys part here. I don't know why that is so hard for you to accept?
As I said earlier it was long ago and all is fine now, still we don't have to apologize for their fuckup there. And it def. was a fuckup...
vandalhearts
Member
Dark souls 2 and Alien CM are the first games that come to mind.
thewhitehawk
Member
If I had to pick a recent example it would be Dark Souls 2, because not only was it visually downgraded but part of that downgrade greatly affected the planned gameplay for some areas of the game.
timetokill
Banned
Geoff explicitly brought up Killzone, and asked about all the stuff they showed, and then asked again "it's all gameplay?" and Tretton doubled-down.
Bringing up Ted was Jack just recalling one thing Ted Price wanted known, but it didn't contradict his statement that everything was gameplay.
He was being fast and loose with the facts and knew he was. The reason I typed out the whole conversation was because Geoff made it clear he was asking about Killzine and asked if there was any CGI and Tretton denied it outright.
lolez2matt
Member
Would Resident Evil 4 count? It´s on tablets I think and it looks fugly.
Baron_Calamity
Member
My vote: The original Mass Effect
E3 2006 trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SvHHO5ksNg
(check out the lighting at the bar. better than even the pc version that was released years later)
Walkthrough trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBYXH9HNdg
Then it gets released and it looks quite a bit different
Gamespot review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPnxfG2nYys
noticed how the lighting has changed significantly, stuff like the dust effects and the quality of the driving parts are completely different.
Yeah Sony flat out lied multiple times and said it was gameplay. There were people coming out saying they worked on the cg movie and Sony stuck to their story that it was game play. I might be wrong but I believe they even went so far to say eventually that it was game play but it was enhanced since it was running on alpha hardware to look like what the release was going to look like.
Looking at it now, its clear that even the movement was off. However I think while the game play and some level of details are off, artistically the shipped game looks better than that target render.
E3 2006 trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SvHHO5ksNg
(check out the lighting at the bar. better than even the pc version that was released years later)
Walkthrough trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBYXH9HNdg
Then it gets released and it looks quite a bit different
Gamespot review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPnxfG2nYys
noticed how the lighting has changed significantly, stuff like the dust effects and the quality of the driving parts are completely different.
Yeah Sony flat out lied multiple times and said it was gameplay. There were people coming out saying they worked on the cg movie and Sony stuck to their story that it was game play. I might be wrong but I believe they even went so far to say eventually that it was game play but it was enhanced since it was running on alpha hardware to look like what the release was going to look like.
Looking at it now, its clear that even the movement was off. However I think while the game play and some level of details are off, artistically the shipped game looks better than that target render.
Krusenstern
Banned
My vote goes to Dark Souls 2 as well. That downgrade was pretty massive. Even the once so praised torch mechanic became useless.
And not even the remake will look like the original reveal from what we've seen.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Sorry, but I think they're right. They're talking about Killzone 2, Geoff mentions that game and also Tretton mentions that game. He says 'Ted' but nowhere else is there any indication they were talking about anything other than KZ2.
where can I see this footage ?
Double standards are nothing new here.
It's all about the principle bro, betrayal is the ultimate downgrade.
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