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New AMD CPU’s integrated graphics reportedly more powerful than PS5

winjer

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spongebob squarepants bullshit GIF
 

jshackles

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Bojji

Member
This GPU won't have the power of desktop 7600 and desktop version is worse than PS5 GPU so why they are saying bullshit like that?
 

shamoomoo

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Do people need to explain the limitations in die space, cost, and especially memory bandwidth.
Besides, AMD can't let the APUs performance edge into their dedicated GPUs space.
Interesting? I can understand bandwidth issues given the fact some of the cache maybe utilized by the CPU or GPU unless these APUs come equipped with stacked memory,but why wouldn't AMD want these lower APUs to replace relatively low-end dedicated GPUs?
 

winjer

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Interesting? I can understand bandwidth issues given the fact some of the cache maybe utilized by the CPU or GPU unless these APUs come equipped with stacked memory,but why wouldn't AMD want these lower APUs to replace relatively low-end dedicated GPUs?

AMD can charge 300$ for a 7600 and another 300$ for a 7700X. Why would they charge 300 alone, for an APU?

And remember that all of AMD APUs have to have the L3 cache cutdown to make room for more CUs.
So memory bandwidth is even more at a premium.
 

DenchDeckard

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IS there a reason why AMD doesnt release their APUs that run in a PS% or xbox to the mass market. Or something similar? I don't quite get why they dont.
 

Bojji

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IS there a reason why AMD doesnt release their APUs that run in a PS% or xbox to the mass market. Or something similar? I don't quite get why they dont.

They did but with disabled GPU, it perform worse than 3600 in CPU tasks:

 
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Bry0

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It’s a competitor to M series chips. 40 cu apu is really beefy, but ultimately will be power limited. It will still be a really friggen fast apu though.
 

twilo99

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They did but with disabled GPU, it perform worse than 3600 in CPU tasks:



Horrible.

To think that this CPU is supposed to somehow deliver “next gen” gaming experiences all the way into 2026 and maybe even beyond is, well, rather ridiculous.
 

Klosshufvud

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IS there a reason why AMD doesnt release their APUs that run in a PS% or xbox to the mass market. Or something similar? I don't quite get why they dont.
Because a dedicated GPU simply becomes more viable once you reach those price segments. The lowest end of dedicated GPUs will match that overly expensive APU in need of ridiculous cooling and space.

Horrible.

To think that this CPU is supposed to somehow deliver “next gen” gaming experiences all the way into 2026 and maybe even beyond is, well, rather ridiculous.
It's not horrible at all. We went from absolute joke of Jaguar cores to Zen 2 cores which perform so much better in every regard. Current-gen consoles seem despite this "outdated" CPU be primarily bottlenecked by GPU regardless. Consoles really don't need super beefy CPUs cores. That's more a PC thing and when you aim for higher than 60 frames per second. If consoles were choked by their CPUs, we would see more games running at native 4K rather than upscaled from 1080p using some muddy FSR solution that DF will surely gush over.
 

twilo99

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Because a dedicated GPU simply becomes more viable once you reach those price segments. The lowest end of dedicated GPUs will match that overly expensive APU in need of ridiculous cooling and space.


It's not horrible at all. We went from absolute joke of Jaguar cores to Zen 2 cores which perform so much better in every regard. Current-gen consoles seem despite this "outdated" CPU be primarily bottlenecked by GPU regardless. Consoles really don't need super beefy CPUs cores. That's more a PC thing and when you aim for higher than 60 frames per second. If consoles were choked by their CPUs, we would see more games running at native 4K rather than upscaled from 1080p using some muddy FSR solution that DF will surely gush over.

Yes, it’s absolutely horrible considering what we have for sale currently. It’s like arguing that a GPU that’s 4 generations behind is actually not bad because it’s better than the generation that preceded it….
 
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Klosshufvud

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Yes, it’s absolutely horrible considering what we have for sale currently. It’s like arguing that a GPU that’s 4 generations behind is actually not bad because it’s better than the generation that preceded it….
Well Sony/MS can't really put in CPU cores that doesn't exist at the time. And I believe Mark Cerny talked about the CPU performance of PS5 once. He said he offered more CPU cores to devs but it would come at the cost of GPU. All the devs immediately said no, realizing GPU performance had to be prioritized. And the proof is in the pudding. You see how resolution targets are gradually lowered as this gen goes on. We went from 1440p baseline to 1080p and now some games even go below that. This is the biggest sign that developers are hitting GPU bottleneck first.

So with that in mind, current-gen consoles have been designed properly, prioritizing, at the time, cutting-edge GPU over cutting-edge CPU. Sony did the mistake of the latter with the PS3 and are not so keen on repeating it.
 

Bry0

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What I mean is how is 40 cu beefy if the XSX has 56?
Because it’s the only mass market apu from amd for PCs with 40 cus. The 780m is 12 cu for comparison. Laptops using this thing will be very performant with a relatively slim form factor.
 

twilo99

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Well Sony/MS can't really put in CPU cores that doesn't exist at the time. And I believe Mark Cerny talked about the CPU performance of PS5 once. He said he offered more CPU cores to devs but it would come at the cost of GPU. All the devs immediately said no, realizing GPU performance had to be prioritized. And the proof is in the pudding. You see how resolution targets are gradually lowered as this gen goes on. We went from 1440p baseline to 1080p and now some games even go below that. This is the biggest sign that developers are hitting GPU bottleneck first.

So with that in mind, current-gen consoles have been designed properly, prioritizing, at the time, cutting-edge GPU over cutting-edge CPU. Sony did the mistake of the latter with the PS3 and are not so keen on repeating it.

Yes, consoles are stuck in the past from the moment they are born, which is why they can’t be responsible for the lead development of cutting edge gaming experiences in general, at least not in the current outdated paradigm.

How can you really push forward development when you are massively limited on the hardware side? Zen2 CPUs in 2026? Sad state of affairs.

Cerny could’ve at least put a zen3 core inside the ps5..
 

OverHeat

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Yes, consoles are stuck in the past from the moment they are born, which is why they can’t be responsible for the lead development of cutting edge gaming experiences in general, at least not in the current outdated paradigm.

How can you really push forward development when you are massively limited on the hardware side? Zen2 CPUs in 2026? Sad state of affairs.

Cerny could’ve at least put a zen3 core inside the ps5..
It’s all about the Benjamin sadly
 

rodrigolfp

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Because it’s the only mass market apu from amd for PCs with 40 cus. The 780m is 12 cu for comparison. Laptops using this thing will be very performant with a relatively slim form factor.
For PCs only? What is forbidding anyone to use it on non PC machines?
 

winjer

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Cerny could’ve at least put a zen3 core inside the ps5..

Zen3 CPUs were released almost at the same time as the PS5.
And the Zen3 APUs were released a year later.
Zen3 wasn't ready in time for this generation of consoles. And even if it was, it would cost way more than a Zen2 CPU.

We have to remember that consoles are very limited by price. It's not like we can just put all the top end hardware in there.
 

Bry0

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For PCs only? What is forbidding anyone to use it on non PC machines?
What is forbidding you from cutting a steak with a spoon? Sometimes things are designed with a specific use case in mind, but you can use it in other ways if you really want.
 

twilo99

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Zen3 CPUs were released almost at the same time as the PS5.
And the Zen3 APUs were released a year later.
Zen3 wasn't ready in time for this generation of consoles. And even if it was, it would cost way more than a Zen2 CPU.

We have to remember that consoles are very limited by price. It's not like we can just put all the top end hardware in there.

Yes, of course, but we really shouldn’t be talking about “next gen”’gaming because consoles simply do not provide up to date hardware for such a thing to occur. That’s my argument.

Also, why is price such a big deal when talking about console vs. PC but it’s tossed aside when comparing console vs. console?

The xss pushed the price of gaming extremely low and it was crucified for it because it did so by using weaker hardware…
 
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