High Fry Frow
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I really couldn't care less whether or not the animations and physics are tied to the framerate. I just hope that there is more than minimal effort put into the PC edition.
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I personally think Dark Souls II was fantastic on PC, so I'm not really worried.
LOL
Iva Demilcol
Member
What if I liked 2 too?
Whatever, I know I'm gonna love 3 whatever they do. I'm easy to please when it comes to more Souls.
I don't understand why people try to act as if what we've seen so far of Dark Souls III don't have any influence from DS II at all, in terms of lore there are some elements that reinforce the fact that something meaningful happened during DS II:
From the very first trailer we saw a lord of cinder that looks a lot like the The Giant Lord/The Last Giant of DSII.
DSII is the first game that gave importance to both thrones and crowns, and we have confirmation that those two concepts are significant in DSIII
But most important of all is the fact that during the network test we found out that the main character don't go hollow, which can only be explained if you take into account that by the end of Dark Souls II we found a cure to the curse of hollowing.
DSII is the first game that gave importance to both thrones and crowns, and we have confirmation that those two concepts are significant in DSIII
But most important of all is the fact that during the network test we found out that the main character don't go hollow, which can only be explained if you take into account that by the end of Dark Souls II we found a cure to the curse of hollowing.
I mean, come on... DSIII is taking a lot of elements from DSII, yet for some reason people force themselves to ignore all those things and say: "Hey, Miyazaki is totally ignoring DSII, surely the lore will be fine."
High Fry Frow
Member
For me there were several aspects of DSII that exhibited the hallmarks of bad porting:
-Having your framerate over 30 fps accelerated the weapon durability system.
-Non-360 controllers were virtually unusable.
-360 button prompts were forced no matter what input device you used.
-Input lag on par with Witcher 3.
-Anisotropic filtering was broken.
-FXAA was the only anti-aliasing option.
It was certainly a better effort than the first game, but far from a commendable port.
So, yeah I am a bit concerned that history will repeat itself.
Then you realize it's Dark Souls and you get even more excited.
I agree, but in my opinion it isn't as much about ignoring it in order to be good, as it is just turning it into something more interesting.
The concept of the resurrected lords of cinder and a dark hero hunting them down wouldn't be possible without Dark Souls II, and it's fucking amazing. The whole cyclical bullshit in Dark II was really boring to me, but they turned it into one of the cooler concepts in the series now.
CyberPunked
Member
High Fry Frow
Member
I feel like there's comfortable ground between demanding FOV sliders in third person games and overlooking aspects of a lazy port because it worked alright for you.
It was an "okay" port, not a great port.
It was an "okay" port, not a great port.
Nah, it was a great port.
By standards of Japanese game developers perhaps, but it was not a "great" port.
I wouldn't really call that an issue with the port, it's an issue with the game.
They had to release a patch to fix the durability thing on consoles as well, after it came out running at 60fps on them.
I personally don't think it's fair to blame the conversion to the PC specifically for an issue you'd have on consoles as well if they could reach 60fps (the game was unlocked on consoles).
I also wouldn't call it "broken to the core", but even if you personally would, as you said, "the game was broken to the core", not necessarily the PC port.
I don't know, maybe I'm just too used to shitty ports, I could very well be wrong, but the way I see it, it's not fair to blame the port for an issue with the game.
hurricanes
Member
The silver hair lady... You have my attention.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Wut, the only thing "broken" was weapon degradation?
so what were those so messed up things because of framerate?
Killer Queen
Banned
And another thread derailed by dsII
ShockingAlberto
Member
I was a dex build, which meant my weapon of choice had low durability and would occasionally hit corpses.
This meant I would occasionally be in situations, especially in the DLC, where weapons would last about five enemies with slightly bad luck. I had to switch to a rapier. Let me put it simpler: I had to design a build around a durability glitch.
DOT DASH DOT
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Yeah it was a much better effort, but that's not to say it was great! I'm really not sure we can expect all that much with DS3 PC wise tbh, it'll be fine, with 60fps and up to 4K and a bit of FXAA built in, they certainly won't go the extra mile. Hope I'm wrong.
JetSetRadio
Banned
I hope miyazaki laughed at the ds2 team and decided to make a good game again.
Give it a convincing artstyle and a soul ffs.
Give it a convincing artstyle and a soul ffs.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I'm a souls expert at this point considering how obsessed I am with the series and how much I've played all 3 games at this point and as a staunch lover I can vouch that the durability was ridiculous in DS2. Especially for a Dex build. I had to think about it a little more than I wanted to and it can be annoying when you're focusing on exploring the depths. Even post glitch fix it was low.
With that said I'm confident in Miyazaki.
Relaxed Muscle
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Like ShockingAlberto said DEX builds and weapons had low durability, so you had 2 choices: Investing on several weapons (yeah, no...) or using co-op to restore weapon durability.
Still it was a shit thing to deal with, but hardly game breaking.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
ShockingAlberto
Member
I don't think the durability would be nearly as bad without the corpse glitch. It would be annoying, but fair to work around, if touching an enemy's body with your sword didn't require an immediate repair powder or bonfire visit.
doubt he laughed at them while they were working on bloodborne which a lot of the team folded into after DS2.
Stuff like that iframes are cut in half and some enemies animations play twice as fast (Iron Keep enemies) etc.
Sure, backstabs are strong in DkS and there are a lot of funky nuances to them. Saying backstab fishing is the only tactic is just pure bullshit though. Instant kill backstabs pretty much doesn't exist in meta level pvp and fishing will generally get you rekt real quick when you play half decent players. Higher level play is mostly spacing.
DS2 has a lot of similar problems.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Berserker Armor from Berserk!
Berserker Armor from Berserk!
That's a boss actually, it was in the gameplay trailer.
Lux R7
Member
well MAYBE and i say MAYBE we can wear his armor..
Considering it appears to walk on four legs, I wouldn't be so sure.
ChosenPredator
Banned
Berserker Armor from Berserk!
Why don't they just make a berserk game already ;_;
LucidMomentum
Member
And have it come out sometime in 2030? No thanks.
Berserker Armor from Berserk!
What a horrible boss to give Guts armor to
it will be sad if the only berserker we get is oversized one
nothing is wrong with oversized armors, but I want a legit berserker amor.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I don't think they can even if they wanted it too. IIRC Berserk is published by Hakusensha which happens to be one of Kadokawa's major competitors.
Really? I guess he is also related to that frost knight in the beta cause both kinda walk on for feet
speaking of frost knight his armor(without the helmet) looks like berserker as well
What a horrible boss to give Guts armor to
it will be sad if the only berserker we get is oversized one
nothing is wrong with oversized armors, but I want a legit berserker amor.
Holy fuck I just realized where the eyes are on the Smough hat. I finally see the "executioner" bit in "Executioner Smough"
Yes I am, I'm an idiot.
Stop setting AF in game and set it to 16 at driver level.
Haha, fair enough. Part of me would have to agree, but I do believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt, and seeing what else they might have to offer. It seems like he's been changing his tune lately, so I just hope he continues to address consistency issues and polish his delivery (which I definitely agree occasionally comes across as pretentious).
You have a very good point. It is largely up to the viewer to consume YT/Reddit/Wiki/etc. content in a healthy way, which doesn't stifle their own critical thinking. However, I do think that these content creators have a big responsibility when they decide to put out these things, especially when citing interpretations as fact.
You're probably right about my beef. If one guy was just shouting in the street "Cleric Beast is Ludwig! Ludwig I tells ya!" then we could all laugh it off and shake our heads. But the fact that Vaati has a mass following who will take his word as gospel without a second thought...that's the real kicker. I think he needs to respect that more, and take more responsibility. Instead, in every video of his I watch, he seems to play up to his audience and dangle random speculations in front of them like carrots on a string. A little more humility and self-deprecation wouldn't hurt.
I'm the other way around. I haven't seen his videos, but The Paleblood Hunt is a fantastic read. You don't have to agree with all of it, but it's very well put together, and he makes it clear every step of the way what is fact pulled from the game, and what is his own reasoning. His stance is a very healthy one, and I hope he gets all the exposure he deserves. It also makes him out to be a very genuine and intelligent person, which makes his work all the more appealing.
Obviously Vaati wasn't implying that Rom should have been labelled "Stupid".
"Vacuous" isn't some bit of abstract lore that's found in Wikis and analysed by Redditors. It's a word. Anyone can look it up in the dictionary. Google it, and immediately you get:
The original Japanese is 白痴 (hakuchi), which is a compound noun that can literally be divided into "white" or "blank space", and "foolishness" or "absurdity".
When translated normally, it can also mean "profound mental retardation"...
In my opinion, they chose the perfect English word. It conveys all of that, especially the nuance of a massive, empty space. It reflects the area in which you find her, and what she represents. Scholars in the game wish to "cleanse themselves of idiocy", and while Rom's origins are unclear, she has something to do with their attempts to "line the brain with eyes". I'm just rambling now, but it all fits together so nicely when you consider the context.
In many instances, some will naturally be curious about the original Japanese, and what sort of liberties were taken with localisation. But I think this goes back to your previous point about Vaati, that his audience will lap it up because they don't first try to think for themselves. This is where, again, he has the responsibility to get his sources/facts straight, be honest with his audience, and choose his own words carefully.
Absolutely. If I started my own channel, there's no way I would attract the same user base, in terms of interest or numbers. I suppose, if I was really considering it, I'd need a fresh angle? I will happily concede that if the majority of his audience had no interest in the story aspect of Souls games initially, then it's a great thing that he's managing to convince them. But ONLY if he also encourages them to seek answers themselves, and make up their own minds.
Thank you for humouring me in this discussion, by the way! Hopefully I'm making sense.
Oh, for sure he's not ignoring Dark 2. There are some key elements from there that have survived the transition to this "new cycle", and like Gbraga says, it's already clear that they're being carefully woven in.
However, I think you're reaching a little with the specific points you bring up. (Will spoiler as well, just in case):
There were also giants in Dark 1. Just because we can't see the face of the giant in the Dark 3 trailer doesn't mean it's a "faceless" giant from Dark 2.
Thrones and crowns are pretty run-of-the-mill for (dark) fantasy, wouldn't you say?
They may have been a key theme in Dark 2, but it's hard not to have thrones and crowns when there are kings/queens and lords.
Remember that it isn't a running protagonist in each of these games. It's always a different random individual from a different age/cycle. Hollowing and the curse still exist in Dark 3 (just look at the soldier mobs you mow down in the Network Test). In fact, Hollows still play a significant part in the story. (Can't wait for you all to see...)
At the beginning of Dark 2, the "quest" was apparently "find a cure for the curse", but this was handled vaguely, and by the end it seemed the protagonist was concerned with something else entirely. I don't think it's justifiable to say that "the curse was cured" is canon.
Thrones and crowns are pretty run-of-the-mill for (dark) fantasy, wouldn't you say?
They may have been a key theme in Dark 2, but it's hard not to have thrones and crowns when there are kings/queens and lords.
Remember that it isn't a running protagonist in each of these games. It's always a different random individual from a different age/cycle. Hollowing and the curse still exist in Dark 3 (just look at the soldier mobs you mow down in the Network Test). In fact, Hollows still play a significant part in the story. (Can't wait for you all to see...)
At the beginning of Dark 2, the "quest" was apparently "find a cure for the curse", but this was handled vaguely, and by the end it seemed the protagonist was concerned with something else entirely. I don't think it's justifiable to say that "the curse was cured" is canon.
Of course, the complaints about Dark 2 (both in terms of lore and gameplay) are valid. If someone chooses to discount the game entirely, then that's their call.
Still, I agree that they should refrain from making such inflammatory remarks. Putting words in the mouth of the developer is always bad form.
Orochinagis
Member
There was also a speculation of Ludwig being the Hunter you fight in a Chalice Boss battle encounter until the DLC released and well....
I think there is a big difference between a faceles oversized humanoid (FROM loves making normal enemies bigger in Dark Souls 2) and normal Giant hollow head giant who can use that hollow pont to use magic. Considering even the gods were big in size too maybe is an old god or a new type of oversized undead/enemy with a great soul burning on him taking in reference on the soul cristalizing aspect on DS2, maybe his great soul burnt is giving a final spark of fire.
Maybe is an artistic chance since the DsK1 Giants which the Sen fortress giants looked a lot like slaves were totally different like the DsK2 giants which were more a tribal giants race who can use Pyromancy from their "mouths"
Yes, I think FROM needed a mmmm how you do say it, an avatar or a icon to establish what are they trying represent with the curse or the cycle of the curse and the ability to maintain your humanity or surpass your humanity by acquiring greater souls in a form of a crown, a representation of keeping your humanity away from the curse, for a while since you will be in a eternal hunt of greater souls until you fell hollow or let the Dark era begins and see what happens. I think the audience didnt understood that single main concept.
And yes, lots of DsK2 elemets are there, still relying on the fire is dying phase yet no one is in a hurry
Maybe Dark Souls 3 will end finally starting the human age turning the world in darkness or just simply doing another run of cycle and keep the fire alive.
Agree, I dont blame them, I just want them to use that info and try to make their own ideas. I just simply dislike how he show that info as he was the only one doing it like the Gehrman reference how they person who discovered even make a audio comparison of his cry
Thats more like a bad straightforward storytelling souls games suffer, BB have an awful manner to tell the player what to do or a lazy desing to difference between useful notes and the real ones
I think there is a big difference between a faceles oversized humanoid (FROM loves making normal enemies bigger in Dark Souls 2) and normal Giant hollow head giant who can use that hollow pont to use magic. Considering even the gods were big in size too maybe is an old god or a new type of oversized undead/enemy with a great soul burning on him taking in reference on the soul cristalizing aspect on DS2, maybe his great soul burnt is giving a final spark of fire.
Maybe is an artistic chance since the DsK1 Giants which the Sen fortress giants looked a lot like slaves were totally different like the DsK2 giants which were more a tribal giants race who can use Pyromancy from their "mouths"
Yes, I think FROM needed a mmmm how you do say it, an avatar or a icon to establish what are they trying represent with the curse or the cycle of the curse and the ability to maintain your humanity or surpass your humanity by acquiring greater souls in a form of a crown, a representation of keeping your humanity away from the curse, for a while since you will be in a eternal hunt of greater souls until you fell hollow or let the Dark era begins and see what happens. I think the audience didnt understood that single main concept.
And yes, lots of DsK2 elemets are there, still relying on the fire is dying phase yet no one is in a hurry
Maybe Dark Souls 3 will end finally starting the human age turning the world in darkness or just simply doing another run of cycle and keep the fire alive.
Agree, I dont blame them, I just want them to use that info and try to make their own ideas. I just simply dislike how he show that info as he was the only one doing it like the Gehrman reference how they person who discovered even make a audio comparison of his cry
Thats more like a bad straightforward storytelling souls games suffer, BB have an awful manner to tell the player what to do or a lazy desing to difference between useful notes and the real ones
WHAT?! We are actually getting a freaking Berserker armor this time?