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[Durante]

Now people will look at these, compare them to what they see in their latest sub-1080p 30FPS post-AA'd frame of reference, and conclude that it's not impressive.

While disregarding all of this (and all the other challenges of VR rendering, such as latency and geometry amplification):

Context, my dear friends, is everything.

 

[PaulloDEC]

It doesn't look super hot, but then an ugly room is an ugly room regardless of which engine you render it in.

I'm sure they've got something more impressive in the works.

 

[UrbanRats]

Considering it has to run at 90fps in stereo, not that bad.

 

[fantomena]

Lol, number 3 is removed form that phone.

 

[Nibel]

People should read the presentation and others' impressions of the demo. This is about VR rendering, not what Source 2 is really capable of in a desktop environment.

I would also add that they probably used a bunch of already exisiting Portal assets instead of creating new ones.

This should in no way be taken as indication of what Source 2 can do.

 

[John Kowalski]

guys

it's a room used for demoing VR

 

[Psyrgery ES]

Looks exactly like Source1 :/

 

[Dictator93]

I want to believe

Real time shadows and baked GI. 2008 called and wanted its tech back.

Now people will look at these, compare them to what they see in their latest sub-1080p 30FPS post-AA'd frame of reference, and conclude that it's not impressive.

While disregarding all of this (and all the other challenges of VR rendering, such as latency and geometry amplification):


Context, my dear friends, is everything.

While VR plays a big part into why this looks the way it does... one would also hope that Source 2 can actually muster up something new on the graphical non-vr front. Perhaps.. at the least high IQ given its compatibility with MSAA.

 

[Drencrom]

Am I going blind, or have they genuinely scrubbed out the '3' from this phone?

No, you're right...

 

[cheezcake]

Guys this was for a VR demo, it's not meant to be a technical showpiece for the new engine.

 

[Sinfamy]

Don't judge the Source 2 engine based on screenshots from a VR demo that is based on Portal 2.

Visuals are the least important part of a game engine, as they are simple assets only limited by the artists.

 

[Freeman]

It's not for you as a consumer.

So why do Unreal and Unity have demos available for everyone then? Also Valve proposition is for Source 2 to be available free for everyone.

They are excessively secretive, to the point where they rather have terrible compressed images of their engine circulating than providing people with a proper glimpse of how the engine is shaping up.

 

[jediyoshi]

What a hilarious premise for a thread. Here's a section from a demo actually meant for presentation

http://a.pomf.se/ggbwxs.webm

So why do Unreal and Unity have demos available for everyone then? Also Valve proposition is for Source 2 to be available free for everyone.

They are excessively secretive, to the point where they rather have terrible compressed images of their engine circulating than providing people with a proper glimpse of how the engine is shaping up.

Are you actively trying to misconstrue that post?

 

[Nabbis]

Well, this is what we get when people judge games by supersampled bullshit materials.

 

[Zombie James]

Doesn't look all that good at all :/

 

[slowpantz]

People should read the presentation and others' impressions of the demo. This is about VR rendering, not what Source 2 is really capable of in a desktop environment.

Thanks for pointing this out. I think this should be added to the OP.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Now people will look at these, compare them to what they see in their latest sub-1080p 30FPS post-AA'd frame of reference, and conclude that it's not impressive.

While disregarding all of this (and all the other challenges of VR rendering, such as latency and geometry amplification):


Context, my dear friends, is everything.

yes but have u seen The Order?

it has DOF and CA and PBR and other things that make the screen go blurry and all of the latest grafix

 

[SteveWinwood]

Now people will look at these, compare them to what they see in their latest sub-1080p 30FPS post-AA'd frame of reference, and conclude that it's not impressive.

While disregarding all of this (and all the other challenges of VR rendering, such as latency and geometry amplification):


Context, my dear friends, is everything.

those are big words and i dont understand them

so ill say that its drab and grey and i want more bullshots from my favorite games that barely run

 

[Dictator93]

yes but have u seen The Order?

it has DOF and CA and PBR and other things that make the screen go blurry and all of the latest grafix

Oh this probably also has CA to work against the optic CA

Anti CA... so this is anti Next gen!

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Oh this probably also has CA to work against the optic CA

Anti CA... so this is anti Next gen!

Valve are killing PC gaming. They resurrected it and now they're putting it down.

#pray4PC

 

[ashecitism]

This is how Leadbetter described the demo

It ends on a high, with the Aperture Science demo featuring an almost Pixar-esque CG quality, but what's curious is how consistent the VR experience is throughout the entire series of demos from a range of developers, using a wealth of different engines from Source to Unreal Engine 4 to Unity. It seems that the real strength here is the quality of the VR backbone Valve has developed, along with the excellent HMD and the enhanced play space offered up by the lighthouse tracking system.

different experience in VR

 

[thunder_snail]

Looks pretty amazing for VR.

Now please make use of this engine Valve. Not porting old games to it but making a new game? Please? (not begging for HL3. Really.)

 

[jmga]

This just shows the great scalability Source 2 has.

 

[Durante]

Just for reference, this needs to run with around 10x the pixel throughput of The Order, and a higher sample count per pixel on top of that, and was demonstrated on a single 980.

 

[Elixist]

Now people will look at these, compare them to what they see in their latest sub-1080p 30FPS post-AA'd frame of reference, and conclude that it's not impressive.

While disregarding all of this (and all the other challenges of VR rendering, such as latency and geometry amplification):


Context, my dear friends, is everything.

is this your first gaf screenshot thread?

and to be fair to drive by posting it just says direct feed screens in the title nothing about tons of vr overhead.

 

[Dictator93]

Valve are killing PC gaming. They resurrected it and now they're putting it down.

#pray4PC

I have the candles burning right next to my Gabe fetish.

This is how Leadbetter described the demo



different experience in VR

Yeah, but leadbetter hasnt played the Order, and if he did.. his bias makes him hate its obvious CG quality.

 

[-SD-]

Am I going blind, or have they genuinely scrubbed out the '3' from this phone?

 

[Visceir]

Never liked the way source games look.

 

[raphier]

This is how Leadbetter described the demo



different experience in VR

Maybe he is talking about animation, Valve has some of those Pixar/Weta animators working for them.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Looks slightly better than Myst.

I'll wait for a proper game trailer to judge.

 

[Elixist]

Never liked the way source games look.

half life 2 was impressive to me when it dropped. left 4 dead ehh, i like how titanfall looks and runs.

 

[twobear]

The geometry count looks very high. Looks like the cord on the phone is entirely geometry for one thing.

Lighting quality is a little flat but that might also be because it's from Portal and the Aperture science office interiors all had that kind of drab look.

 

[Nibel]

Maybe he is talking about animation, Valve has some of those Pixar/Weta animators working for them.

Not just animation, look at the off-screen video posted in this thread; shaders and lighting are really impressive and have this so called 'CG' look.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Once Valve reveals a game with a 3 in the title, the replies in this thread will look silly.

 

[NumberThree]

Once Valve reveals a game with a 3 in the title, the replies in this thread will look silly.

To be fair, a few of the replies in this thread already look silly.

 

[-SD-]

I really like the Ambient Occlusion in this demo.

 

[Darkangel]

I don't really like the stylized look Valve has been going with since Left 4 Dead.

 

[thelastword]

Source Next will look bonkers, nothing impressed me as much (a while back) when HL2 and DOOM 3 were revealed. I have no doubt that HL3 will do just the same and it will scale well on modest rigs too.

 

[Joey Ravn]

wow, does Valve care about gamers these days or are they solely focused on profits now?

Exactly what I was thinking. It's all about numbers for them now.

Spoiler

Except 3.

Spoiler

j/k

 

[raphier]

Not just animation, look at the off-screen video posted in this thread; shaders and lighting are really impressive and have this so called 'CG' look.

All I see is post-processing of an off-screen camera filter. It makes everything look CG-level

 

[jediyoshi]

All I see is post-processing of an off-screen camera filter. It makes everything look CG-level

Well, I'll tell you what that demo looks like on the Source engine: nothing. Because OG Source would curl up and die with a 600k poly model.

 

[Naminator]

Just for reference, this needs to run with around 10x the pixel throughput of The Order, and a higher sample count per pixel on top of that, and was demonstrated on a single 980.

Is the pixel density really such a good idea when what you see looks so bland and last-gen(for a lack of a better phrase)?

 

[The Boat]

3 is the loneliest number.

 

[ashecitism]

While VR plays a big part into why this looks the way it does... one would also hope that Source 2 can actually muster up something new on the graphical non-vr front. Perhaps.. at the least high IQ given its compatibility with MSAA.

I hope so too, but keeping my expectation in check, considering Valve uses the Blizzard model of toasters running their games due to serving a very wide audience.

Not just animation, look at the off-screen video posted in this thread; shaders and lighting are really impressive and have this so called 'CG' look.

As nbnt said everything looks better off-screen though, so we have to wait for proper direct-feed. Or for proper non-VR S2 stuff.

However, yeah, Vlachos is talking up the polys being 600k and brushed metal and lighting. Those aren't things you see in Source lol

 

[glaurung]

4x MSAA as a minimum sounds awesome.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Is the pixel density really such a good idea when what you see looks so bland and last-gen(for a lack of a better phrase)?

Throughput.

And the point they're making is that it's pretty much a requirement for making VR look good.

I'm sure when we have better GPUs they'll be able to do all of this high geometry detail at 90fps for dual screens with massive amounts of AA plus some greasy post processing effects to keep the kids happy.

 

[Nabbis]

4x MSAA as a minimum sounds awesome.

Somehow that Xbox360 AA recomendation comes to mind when i read this, the one that was never followed.

 

[Naminator]

Throughput.

And the point they're making is that it's pretty much a requirement for making VR look good.

I'm sure when we have better GPUs they'll be able to do all of this high geometry detail at 90fps for dual screens with massive amounts of AA plus some greasy post processing effects to keep the kids happy.

I understand, that framerate is critical for VR, put I was mostly talking about the implied need of 8xMSAA.

 

[collige]

Throughput.

And the point they're making is that it's pretty much a requirement for making VR look good.

I'm sure when we have better GPUs they'll be able to do all of this high geometry detail at 90fps for dual screens with massive amounts of AA plus some greasy post processing effects to keep the kids happy.

From the sound of the talk, they're already doing high geometry detail with massive amounts of AA, which is probably why the lighting is so unimpressive.

 

[Candescence]

Eh, lighting's a little flat, but it looks good. They are focusing on making things run well on VR, though. Still, I don't exactly care about the visuals being cutting edge in any case, Source engine games tend to age very well, and have a more down-to-earth visual feel that makes other engines seem overdone by comparison.