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New Uncharted 4 Amy Hennig details emerge and departure from Naughty Dog
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NecromorphTX
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Looks like crap
Since I wasn't a big fan of U4, I'd always hoped to get a glimpse of the original vision, but now I'm glad they didn't go all out with no combat for the first half. The end product was already too light on shooting segments in its first half.
The games have been some of the best in the last decade, so listening to criticisms that go against the grain of the entire game seems like a dumb idea, whether that's in terms of too much shooting or too many set pieces. To me Uncharted is large scale set pieces, solid gunfights, and puzzles. Stripping away any of that creates a lesser product.
Creating handholds from gunshots does sound cool though. Ambitious, but cool.
Still, the worst cut is the kids sword fighting. Not only would it have been a great tutorial for the uncharacteristic final boss fight, but a wonderful call back as well.
The games have been some of the best in the last decade, so listening to criticisms that go against the grain of the entire game seems like a dumb idea, whether that's in terms of too much shooting or too many set pieces. To me Uncharted is large scale set pieces, solid gunfights, and puzzles. Stripping away any of that creates a lesser product.
Creating handholds from gunshots does sound cool though. Ambitious, but cool.
Still, the worst cut is the kids sword fighting. Not only would it have been a great tutorial for the uncharacteristic final boss fight, but a wonderful call back as well.
Eh I imagine holding the left trigger (a mechanic which already exists for the entirety of the game, allowing you to focus in on something outside of combat) to look at something until a circle is full is far simpler and costs far less resources than a full-on dance mini-game.
Acquiescence
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Watched that video this morning. What we eventually got sounds a fair bit better than Hennig's original vision. Don't really get how you're supposed to make a reveal out of Sam being Nate's brother when a lot of people were already speculating that by the reveal trailer alone. Would've fallen completely flat. Also, taking on board the nonsense criticisms about 'ludonarrative dissonance' and removing gunplay from the first half of the game would've been an ill-conceived decision as well.
The details that have emerged really do highlight how shoehorned-in and unnecessary Nadine was to the overall plot though.
The details that have emerged really do highlight how shoehorned-in and unnecessary Nadine was to the overall plot though.
Holy shit, Druckmann redeemed
Also by the sounds of things, a lot of these elements weren't fully explored by Hennig yet because of the small team. Sounds like a decent chunk could've changed or developed or refined.
Um.
Um.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Car combat heavy sounds bad.
Hm, no Nadine aside (didn't think much of her myself, and not looking forward to more of her once I get around to The Lost Legacy), I prefer what we actually got. No shooting for half of the game in favor of vehicles and melee-heavy gameplay with that series' combat mechanics don't sound like my idea of fun. Also, Sam being a villain at all would've seemed cliched.
Maintenance
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JuanLatino
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Hmm so people that found the pacing horrible and said that druckman destroyed Uncharted, maybe would be even less happy with Hennings Version?
McMoneyman
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Yeah the Druckmann version sounds better than this.
Damn that sounds better than what we got...
DriftingSpirit
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I'm not sure I would have liked that.
so, only 2 years in development – pretty impressive
I just played through the game again and the whole thing about the game barely having any shooting is blown soo much out of proportion. The game has as much shooting in it as any of the other games far as I recall. It's just a much longer game so the segments without shooting feel a little longer is all.
TheBioLover
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Not going to watch as I'd rather support Jason's book and read it myself when it's out here in the UK.
Or maybe they'd be more happy?
That version of the game was never seen to fruition.
At the very least I'm finding Hennig's version of Uncharted 4 to be more conceptually interesting.
Nightengale
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Also, the chapter really, really highlights the importance of strong leadership in steering a troubled project.
For all of the individual talent that ND has, leadership capabilities isn't something you gain easily and in times of massive difficulty, Neil/Bruce were the only ones who could see the finish line and knew what needed to be done to get it there.
For all of the individual talent that ND has, leadership capabilities isn't something you gain easily and in times of massive difficulty, Neil/Bruce were the only ones who could see the finish line and knew what needed to be done to get it there.
I doubt it.
Uncharted 4's twist functions on lying to the player, presenting falsehoods in the same way as reality, which isn't much better.
That's all you can really do. Doubt.
Good Guy Gone Bad
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That video just lifted all the information from Jason's book (which is great, btw), but since we're here
I now understand the story behind her exit a bunch more after having read the story about U4 in his book. Very enlightening.
I now understand the story behind her exit a bunch more after having read the story about U4 in his book. Very enlightening.
When they started showing the flashbacks and their relationship, I started to think he wasn't actually going to be the villian. The anti-betrayal felt earned, unlike the Sully fake-out in UC3 which made eyes roll backwards 5 times in a row
Robot Pants
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Yea the story we got was better
but we're right there with Drake being lied to.
gundamkyoukai
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The version we got sound better .
Still some of hennig sound interesting .
Of course stuff looking good on paper don't always work in game.
Also no action in first half of the game is crazy .
Still some of hennig sound interesting .
Of course stuff looking good on paper don't always work in game.
Also no action in first half of the game is crazy .
Indeed. Those comments about "UC4 already got no combat so what's the difference!?" are really dumb, don't know if people are intentionally ignoring the amount of combat in the game or they just suffer from short memory, but the finished product had plenty of combat even if you wished it had more and it certainly not even close to Hennig's pretty awful vision.
Uncharted Versus IV
Sure.
Those people didn't like segments with no shooting. And you're saying that they would be fine with Amy Hennig's UC4 design, right?
nonsense.
I suppose it's sort of the flip-side of Nathan Drake not revealing Sam was his brother.
In U4 Drake has a trust in his brother that I didn't have as a player, seeing Sam as a shady individual with an untrustworthy escape story.
Whereas in Hennig's version it would have (seemingly) been Drake keeping quiet about Sam being his brother, just like he has for 3 games prior. I think that would have added to be feeling like this long-con Nathan Drake has perpetuated - that he isn't as noble as he portrays himself to be outwardly.
I feel like I'd prefer the latter, but that might just be personal preference.
Sure.
Those people didn't like segments with no shooting. And you're saying that they would be fine with Amy Hennig's UC4 design, right?
With an enhanced focus on melee combat, which seemed to be implied, maybe?
Callibretto
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ND can never satisfy everyone really, some people dont like shooting, some want more of it, same with the climbing, some want more puzzles, some like those narrative chapter where you just walking and enjoy the story.
People often complaint about the pacing in U4. That there are too many chapters where you didnt have combat. But those non combat chapter are all exposition and story focused chapter and sonce I also enjoy the character and story of Uncharted. I really have no problem with those chapter.
U4 is my fave game in the series.
I don't think it's entirely fair to judge the story quality of her pre-production concept without a full team to what we got in the end after delays and all. It's more of a premise, at that point, I'd imagine.
Remember how Tess was supposed to be this villain chasing you all the way through the country in the first iterations of The Last of Us? Doesn't that sound stupid? A lot of things change until the final version we receive, of course the real Uncharted 4 is much more polished than the ideas that never received a full team.
Sure, but it has nothing to do with his creative vision, then. "He's ok with gimmicks, as long as they're cheap to create" is not what it says in that quote.
Remember how Tess was supposed to be this villain chasing you all the way through the country in the first iterations of The Last of Us? Doesn't that sound stupid? A lot of things change until the final version we receive, of course the real Uncharted 4 is much more polished than the ideas that never received a full team.
Sure, but it has nothing to do with his creative vision, then. "He's ok with gimmicks, as long as they're cheap to create" is not what it says in that quote.
dance dance mini game...? yeah handing the game over to Druckmann was the right decision.
gundamkyoukai
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Nah even with that UC was always a TPS .
Having less of that would always be bad .
Plus the shooting so good in UC4.
Side note that ND made this game so fast even after all the problems show why you need good leads.
I don't think it's fair to say this without having played through it. A lot of it would come down to the execution.Let's say you just read the outline of TLOU story without any additional context, it just sounds like another generic zombie tale. It isn't until you play it that you really appreciate what they were going for.
With that being said, I'm super happy with the version we got, even more so after Jason's book and hearing how rushed they were during development.
This!!
Baraka Obama
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Bought it my dude
TimeEffect
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HALF the game would have been vehicle based? No thanks.
Edit: Oops, half the game wouldn't have gun combat*. Would have been interesting, guess it depends on how long the game would have been. Probably shorter than what we got, and a more intimate story with the melee. Sounds interesting, and probably better off since Sam would have been a bad guy from the start and then slowly forgiven. Actually, I think I like that story much better because I really didn't like/trust Sam and he just turned out to be a really selfish guy who lied to Drake about some bullshit.
Having him resent Drake for all those years would have been good, but it also makes Drake kind of an asshole for not ever mentioning his brother. Of course, this is the kind of shit that happens when you suddenly bring up an important character this late in the series, so maybe the entire idea was bad to begin with.
At least they didn't go the Mummy route and introduced a kid lol.
UC4's rom com, sappy romance, and brother drama was corny, boring crap.
Yet it had the best treasure adventure story. Im always conflicted by that, but the bloated slow stuff pulls it down far too much for me to go back to it ever again. I seriously hate how they jammed Last of Us's story design into a game where it just didn't fit.
Edit: Oops, half the game wouldn't have gun combat*. Would have been interesting, guess it depends on how long the game would have been. Probably shorter than what we got, and a more intimate story with the melee. Sounds interesting, and probably better off since Sam would have been a bad guy from the start and then slowly forgiven. Actually, I think I like that story much better because I really didn't like/trust Sam and he just turned out to be a really selfish guy who lied to Drake about some bullshit.
Having him resent Drake for all those years would have been good, but it also makes Drake kind of an asshole for not ever mentioning his brother. Of course, this is the kind of shit that happens when you suddenly bring up an important character this late in the series, so maybe the entire idea was bad to begin with.
At least they didn't go the Mummy route and introduced a kid lol.
UC4's rom com, sappy romance, and brother drama was corny, boring crap.
Yet it had the best treasure adventure story. Im always conflicted by that, but the bloated slow stuff pulls it down far too much for me to go back to it ever again. I seriously hate how they jammed Last of Us's story design into a game where it just didn't fit.
The melee works in addition to the shooting or 1v1s like the end of 3 and 4. Having to only melee fight a bunch of guys dons't sound very fun to me. That's why I also thought the beginning to 3 was not very good seen from a gameplay perspective.
baxter2231
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The game would have been so much better with the creator at the helm. Sigh
Baraka Obama
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2 years is insane
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