In Japan it is rumored that it is actually Tokyo Stock Exchange itself who commanded Nintendo to give that IR or something..
And as for fuckups yeah I think it is investors who fucked up, not Nintendo, who is being just honest (seriously).
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Nintendo Shares Plunge 17% After Saying Pokemon Gos Impact Is Limited
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In Japan it is rumored that it is actually Tokyo Stock Exchange itself who commanded Nintendo to give that IR or something..
And as for fuckups yeah I think it is investors who fucked up, not Nintendo, who is being just honest (seriously).
KyanMehwulfe
Member
Sounds like less a comment on the success of Pokemon GO and more a comment on the fact that Nintendo isn't going to get much of the profit that the game makes (either that or the game is generating a lot less than expected... perhaps out of server expenses).
So Nintendo licensed the game to Niantic (perhaps for a large fee from Niantic) but possibly otherwise invested very little in the game/will receive very little profit from the game.
Either way it sounds like Nintendo's business involvement is a lot less than I would have thought for what I would have suspected would be more closely held.
No one from Nintendo was saying mobile games wouldn't sell. They were worried about devaluing their IPs.
You sure about that?
Tallshortman
Member
Huh didn't realize Nintendo had such a small stake. If it's "effectively" 13% then yeah the doubling of stock price was completely overblown.
There has to be better way of saying the same thing. Something like...
Pokemon Go is not a massive earner for us directly, but we are looking at ways to increase revenue from it's overnight success. Furthermore, we will soon introduce more apps for the mobile platforms.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
So who makes majority of the money, and where can I buy their stocks?
Should've just said nothing. Besides, I doubt Nintendo went into this app to change it's financial fortunes. Pokemon Go is doing more for Nintendo's brand than anything else could right now. Think how many people care about Pokemon again. It's priceless. Revenue is just gravy.
Niantic? Except you can't buy them.
Sorcerer
Member
I would guess The Pokemon Co. as they license Pokemon. Nintendo just has a stake in the company. Nintendo is only successful if the Pokemon Co. is successful first.
I would guess Niantic has to pay dearly to use the license unless they were commissioned specifically by the Pokemon Co. to make the game, but somehow I doubt that.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
I knew it. That's what the Pokemon Company do, Pokemon. What I didn't get was why Nintendo stock was skyrocketing, which I thought proved me wrong. I figured investors knew more.
If Nintendo has a 13% stake in the game, and owns 33% of the Pokemon Company, does that really mean TPC get 40% and Ninantic 60%? 1/3 of 40 is 13.3.
If Nintendo has a 13% stake in the game, and owns 33% of the Pokemon Company, does that really mean TPC get 40% and Ninantic 60%? 1/3 of 40 is 13.3.
Fredrik
Member
Huh?
And I just asked the other day in another thread why Nintendo would make so much money from Pokemon GO when it wasn't their game and people here had all kinds of detailed explanations and when Nintendo now says that they won't make much money from this people now say that it was already widely known and investors were crazy to think otherwise.
And I just asked the other day in another thread why Nintendo would make so much money from Pokemon GO when it wasn't their game and people here had all kinds of detailed explanations and when Nintendo now says that they won't make much money from this people now say that it was already widely known and investors were crazy to think otherwise.
Moon_frogger
Member
It is totally a word. Not one I use, because it's stupid, but if you are claiming it's not a real word then you are wrong as wrong can be.
The market is reflecting what many of us understood and accepted from the first weekend: this was a fun fad whose societal importance has been amplified greatly by social media.
I look forward to seeing threads here next Spring about someone in Alberta who successfully lost 80 pounds while playing. Until then, ta PokeGo.
I look forward to seeing threads here next Spring about someone in Alberta who successfully lost 80 pounds while playing. Until then, ta PokeGo.
Irregardless of how you construct sentences, irregardless is most certainly a word.
Miniboss1232
Member
Nintendo probably also knows (by using math) that Pokemon GO hasn't even made more in revenue than Pokemon X & Y did in their first weekend on sale.
That number is pretty much just a guess.
Nice, hah
I remember gaffers clamoring they know Nintendo's cut is very big but I think they know better than Nintendo execs lol.
Anyway Nintendo will have financial report in two days so they better announce this NOW or else execs would get fried at the investor meeting. If Tokyo Stock Exchange guy advising is real then I think that really was an honest advice, to disclose it now rather than later.
Astral Dog
Member
they only look for short term profit, if they see its not there they fly away like flies searching for rotten food, indeed how could it rise that far based on this one app is a wonder.
It's not about what's affordable, it's that Nintendo hasn't done anything yet and the stocks are rising based on ignorance, so selling and then trying to hop back in when they do rise from their own games at a higher price is for fools. They're talking about being at wii levels in a couple years, I'll sell when I see that.
Quadraphonic
Member
30% of all IAPs go towards the market store.
IE: Apple and Google. So they're splitting from a base of 70%.
Pancakes R Us
Member
I'm so glad someone else posted this. Would've eaten away at me.
Back on topic...if I had some Nintendo shares at the time the value kept rising, would've sold and made lots of Pokemonays.
Google and apple gets a 30% cut on ios and play store. The rest is shared by niantic and TPC.
Astral Dog
Member
more that Nintendo had a hand in the creation of Pokemon GO and other mobile titles, and that they are partial owners of Pokemon Company.
their success on the mobile space has always been part of an strategy to strenght their brands , promote their hardware. expand and sell software. they are not really a mobile games company.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Can we trust Nintendo's forecasts at this point, though? Didnt they keep massively missing the mark with Wii U sales forecasts for years?
Astral Dog
Member
what do you mean? they are being modest/honest by not doing a revision
Labrynian Rebel
Member
It got mentioned on the mainstream news, shareholders watch that, buy stock, stock price goes up, other shareholders see this and buy stock, vicious cycle, reality check, stock plummets.
SinCityAssassin
Member
I mean maybe if they WENT with the Pokemon go boom and boosted their forecast, then sure we can be skeptical.
But they didn't even change it? Just keep the light Wii U forecast where it was? They're grounded in reality.
That said they never massively missed the mark about the Wii U in recent years.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
°°ToMmY°°;211268001 said:
I was thinking along the lines of what terms two partnering companies that created the app would have come to. In their agreement, they would be splitting it up two ways. If they later put it on some magic App Store that took no cut, the split would potentially be 60/40. It's just conjecture based on too little info on my part, but I doubt two companies coming together would say "lets include Apple in this". If so, Apple as a partner would make in excess of 30%.
My interpretation of what Nintendo stated was that they have a 13% stake in the original deal, not all revenue generated. It's just just a thought. I can be out armchaired in this discussion, and my original take may also have been wildly reductive. There are certainly other ways you can split a deal between two parties.
InsaneTiger
Member
Everything finds a way of correcting itself.
KurtSloane
Banned
The share spike was bogus in the first place, the increase in valuation was not based on the reality of the situation, rather the hype and media attention on Pokemon Go.
There was nothing about that app that screamed huge gains in profitability, speculative traders and rich fools who fell for the believe that Pokemon go was their next Wii.
Clueless, Nintendo had to tell the truth or when the first financial results were released that were due to show the Pokemon profits didn't contain a huge upswing in profits, investors would have tanked the share value even harder.
There was nothing about that app that screamed huge gains in profitability, speculative traders and rich fools who fell for the believe that Pokemon go was their next Wii.
Clueless, Nintendo had to tell the truth or when the first financial results were released that were due to show the Pokemon profits didn't contain a huge upswing in profits, investors would have tanked the share value even harder.
wapplew
Member
I won't touch that unless they mandate it with a controller.
WaterAstro
Member
Google is probably taking the biggest share as they are investors in Niantic AND take their 30% cut on Android side. Also, Niantic is a private company, so they don't have public stocks.
I knew all this Nintendo stock thing was just bullshit. Stock buyers just needed to smarten up.
D.Lo
Member
That's probably the napkin maths the analyst has done, but it's pure speculation. Nintendo is the sole rights holder for the name Pokemon and all Pokemon character names, you would expect 13% just from that surely.
Of course it will get used as a fact now because some old guy said it.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
Pachter vindicated (yet again).
Please feel free to eat some crow.
Please feel free to eat some crow.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
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RedAssedApe
Banned
Nintendo should port their real Pokemon games