In case you haven't realised, he's air quoting better.
As in he's saying it's not actually a better CPU, considering it doesn't support a feature that Intel supported for at least a generation or two before AMD did.
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No Man's Sky PC Version doesn't work on older CPUs
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In case you haven't realised, he's air quoting better.
As in he's saying it's not actually a better CPU, considering it doesn't support a feature that Intel supported for at least a generation or two before AMD did.
petran79
Banned
Havent Nvidia made this card compatible with 4.5? I know DX12 was reserved only for gtx 6xxx and above. Or have they moved it to legacy status?
ethomaz
Banned
It is... minimum Core i3.
The fact older CPUs didn't support the instructions already remove them from the "better" list.
Krappadizzle
Member
i7-920 stay winning.
ambar_hitman
Member
Nope they didn't.
I seriously don't understand are people not getting this simple fact????
They just mentioned i3 as minimum. That doesn't mean by default that SSE 4.1 is required.
lol is right
JRW
Member
Yeah even my 1st generation (2009) i7 920 supports SSE 4.1 & 4.2 so you're good.
So are you telling me no AMD CPUs can run this game at all? Just saying an i3 is minimum doesn't convey nearly enough information.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Yeah I'd rather they start listing specifics rather than an arbitrary cpu and nothing else ("Oh I'm fine, my cpu smokes i3"). In this case, like others brought up, cpu's better than i3 might not work, but no one would know there was something specific about i3 that allow it to work, SSE 4. It's like giving people dress codes for a party but failing to mention "suit and tie" required red bow ties. I'll chalk it up to AMD chips being after thoughts and soon I shouldn't have that problem. Intel only, Nvidia only.
They should update their requirements to mention SSE 4.1 and higher. That would help customers. Thankfully I didn't preorder before seeing how it ran on PC. I wonder if mods will be possible for this game to fix the smoothness of the mouse look, and other things.
Or better yet, they should list the minimum AMD cpu as well as the i3 so AMD customers will have an idea of what age AMD cpu they need to check for.
They should update their requirements to mention SSE 4.1 and higher. That would help customers. Thankfully I didn't preorder before seeing how it ran on PC. I wonder if mods will be possible for this game to fix the smoothness of the mouse look, and other things.
Or better yet, they should list the minimum AMD cpu as well as the i3 so AMD customers will have an idea of what age AMD cpu they need to check for.
KillerMan91
Member
In 99% of cases if the game has minimum requirement of i3 it still runs absolutely fine on Phenom IIs. It tells absolutely nothing if the minimum requirement is i3. They should state that the game doesn't run on processors with no support for SSE4.1.
FX series and newer should be able to, if SSE 4.1 is indeed the requirement. Can't say how well, of course, but they should.
ethomaz
Banned
Ok let's see.
Starting with all Core i3 supporting SSE4.1
Above it we have Core i5 where all supports SSE4.1
After we have Core i7 where all supports SSE4.1
Are any AMD CPU above Core i3 for games without SSE4.1? No.
ambar_hitman
Member
In case if anyone wants to see what's a "better" CPU:
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-530-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T
Phenom II blows i3 away. So any PC gamer will think that game will do fine on AMD Phenom II even if i3 is mentioned. No one will ever imagine that by i3 they meant SSE 4.1 and not gaming performance.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i3-530-vs-AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T
Phenom II blows i3 away. So any PC gamer will think that game will do fine on AMD Phenom II even if i3 is mentioned. No one will ever imagine that by i3 they meant SSE 4.1 and not gaming performance.
I legitimately think people suggesting the minimum requirements are clear enough (because an i3 supports SSE 4.1, therefore people have all the information they need) didn't think that through. If there's a specific limiting factor, that's the important piece of information. If the requirement is specifically related to SSE 4.1, that should be mentioned in the minimum stats.
ambar_hitman
Member
What are you even talking about? AMD Phenom II X6 is ABOVE core i3 in performance.
And i5 and i7 were released before i3. What do you mean ABOVE?
Yes. What? We already answered that.
Alright, question for you.
Let's say Hello Games decides that they will update the requirements page to mention SSE4.1 as a requirement, but also stick to their guns with saying that SSE4.1 is a hard requirement.
Which means your CPU will be cut off.
Is that still a happy scenario for you?
Also it's crazy to see that your Phenom II is only barely able to keep up with that i3 in single core performance. I can't imagine how bad the single core performance difference is now.
ethomaz
Banned
Not in games.
1080 released before 1060... what that means? 1080 is still above 1060.
The only part I agree is that they could be more specific saying "SSE4.1 required" but it is a non issue old CPUs that lacks instructions not running the game.
Of course, that's common sense. But we are on NeoGAF... people will argue anything, no matter how absurd.
It takes literally almost zero effort to change your Minimum Requirements from i3 to i3*
* (CPU must support SSE4.1)
Even though I still think writing just i3 is a pretty shit minimumr requirement, I don't know what else they could do being that clock speeds aren't really equal across the board. Maybe we should bring the Windows Experience back!
Wait, if I'm getting this right, it does solve the problem. A person could look into whether their CPU would work with the game? Am I misunderstanding?
ambar_hitman
Member
Doesn't matter because almost everything supports multiple cores. Be it videos, games, browsing etc.
Regarding updating requirements, it should have been mentioned IN THE FIRST place that SSE 4.1 is hard requirement. We won't have bothered with the game at all.
Oh it would solve the problem of "Does my CPU support this or not".
But it won't support the OPs personal issue of "I think my CPU is more powerful than other CPUs why isn't it supported"
Why is that a surprise at a slower clock speed? He just has more cores. I don't think nearly double the performance is anything to sneeze at for multicore processing.
jakonovski
Member
How did we get from instruction sets to trying to build a computer hardware hierarchy in one dimension?
Gotta say, I must be getting old since I'm not consumed by a desire to upgrade my computer. Instead I'll just wait for a fix if it ever comes.
Gotta say, I must be getting old since I'm not consumed by a desire to upgrade my computer. Instead I'll just wait for a fix if it ever comes.
cleveridea
Member
Game not working on i7 4790K 32GB RAM Titan X Win 10
Not just the older PC CPU owners having trouble, lot of people on reddit and steam thread have crash before game even runs
Not just the older PC CPU owners having trouble, lot of people on reddit and steam thread have crash before game even runs
ambar_hitman
Member
Its VC++ run time issue if your CPU and GPU are good enough.
BRO THE REQUIREMENTS CLEARLY STATE i3. STOP COMPLAINING. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A 460.
Single core performance still actually matters to a point.
Although I'm not disagreeing with you on the requirements page not being clear enough.
Also going by the Steam forums right now, SSE4.1 isn't exactly the big issue for a lot of people. You have just about everyone claiming performance is shit, across all vendors. The game is getting absolutely reviewbombed right now because of it.
It just looks to me like an extremely poor PC build on all fronts.
I don't see why this is so hard for people to wrap their heads around. His CPU IS MORE POWERFUL than some of the older CPUs people are referencing here. The issue he's having has nothing to do with the "power" of the CPU.
Imagine you rock up to a racetrack in your Formula 1 car. Your car is for all intents and purposes the same as all the other cars on the track and even has more horsepower than some. But your car takes diesel fuel, and this particular track doesn't allow diesel fuelled cars to race. So even though you've got more "power", you can't play.
If they had just said "Petrol Only", OP wouldn't even have bothered showing up.
Single-threaded performance is still king on most CPU bound games these days. Devs still haven't been able to split stuff effectively between cores.
So yes, it matters quite a bit. It's the entire reason why Intel CPUs absolutely fucking destroy AMD CPUs.
ambar_hitman
Member
Exactly. I sometimes fail to understand why people don't get this simple fact.
Unless the min spec explicitly includes AMD CPUs, or states that AMD is not officially supported, it's reasonable to expect the game will run on the generational equivalent to the listed Intel CPU. From what I understand, even Phenom II CPUs that released after the first i3 do not support SSE 4.1. Those who own the later era Phenom II CPUs are right to be upset. Though, with that mind, anyone who owns a CPU that predates the earliest i3 shouldn't expect the game to run on their machine.
jakonovski
Member
Anyone know of another game with this same issue?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
more time for salty overwatch sessions
ambar_hitman
Member
MGS V and some EDF game had this. Both were patched within days by developers to support SSE 4.1.
J
Jpop
Unconfirmed Member
What? Are you being obtuse?
The requirement only state i3 or higher. The Phenom performs better than an i3, so by that reasoning it would work with this game.
The requirements fail to say that it needs SSE 4.1. Which is the ACTUAL REQUIREMENT not i3+.
So yeah, the system requirements are wrong.
MGS 5 had it at launch and was fixed within a day or so.
KillerMan91
Member
Well I give you an example. Minimum CPU requirements for Doom:
CPU: Intel Core i5-2400/AMD FX-8320 or better
Wouldn't this mean with your logic that Phenom II couldn't run the game? Well it does and with Vulkan very well. They should absolutely state with NMS that it doesn't support some older CPUs like Phenom II. I really don't know how you can disagree with this.
LelouchZero
Member
What? That makes no sense, the single core performance isn't going to increase over time. They should have been more clear about the system requirements, end of, what's there to debate?
There's not even any AMD CPU recommendations in the system requirements, how many people are even aware of instruction set requirements?
SSE 4.1 issues are something which has appeared in a few games recently, I know of two, Metal Gear Solid V and Earth Defence Force 4.1.
To my knowledge I don't think there has been any other games with these issues, the SSE 4.1 issues were quickly rectified shortly after the release of these games in a patch.
The Phenom II X6 is a better CPU than the first gen i3, an i3 processor is listed in the "minimum" system requirements, so the Phenom II X6 exceeds these requirements, however the Phenom II CPUs just happen to not support the SSE 4.1 instruction set.
It's quite possible that Hello Games missed this requirement for No Man's Sky, the same as Sandlot when they made the PC version of Earth Defense Force 4.1 and Kojima Productions/Konami when they made the PC version of Metal Gear Solid V.
Hopefully they add support for these processors, as these issues were fixed for other games.
_/¯out here struggling to maintain 60fips
jakonovski
Member
So would that imply that the game is not likely using anything 4.1 exclusive? And thus a patch might be quick here too?
LelouchZero
Member
Possibly.
ambar_hitman
Member
Considering they are already using that "10 man team" excuse everywhere, I won't hold my breath. Already requested a refund.