SolidSnakex
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Neil directs the performance capture.
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Nolan North on UC4- 8mths of Hennig's story/performance work was thrown away
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Neil directs the performance capture.
The hell are you on about?
Cool. Didn't know that. Strange that Nolan wouldn't refer to them by name then.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
and NN played a fairly big character in TLOU, it's safe to say they are probably well acquainted.
All we really knew was that it was a SW action game. Most of us assumed it would be UC-like but this is the first time anyone has come out and said it IIRC
Hydrargyrus
Member
I believe in druckmann.
After TLoU, I want more like this
After TLoU, I want more like this
Triggerhappytel
Member
That always seemed like the obvious conclusion, but they just turned Desmond into an idiot and I'd wager hardly anyone cared when
he died
Not sure if we had someone actually confirm that, but it was obviously why EA hired Hennig. Every publisher wants their own Uncharted.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I wonder if they were starting production on The Last of Us 2 when Amy got canned and Neil and Bruce had to step in and take over.
Sorry, your speculation that the director wouldn't attend mocap session was laughable. Some of you are reading way too much into Straley and Druckmann not being referred to by name.
Everyone just sort of assumed it would be. Going from an Indiana Jones to a Han Solo is about as natural of a transition as you can get.
Holy shit you're an asshole. That's why I said I wasn't sure. Instead of just correcting me you responded with snark. Get a grip mate.
In what way? Too light and inconsequential? The E3 2014 trailer showed that it won't be all fun and quips, seems like there may be real consequences and possibly tragedy.
Why's that? The inital teaser had a definitely darker tone than anything Uncharted has done before and darker than anything we've seen since she left. The idea that TLOU was dark so Draley aren't capable of any other tone is preposterous. Uncharted 2 was a great balance
Devilgunman
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Imo, The Last of Us is far superior to all three Uncharted games story-wise so I have no problem at all for Neil and Bruce to take over and re-write the scripts.
That's a shame, I liked the tone of the first teaser trailer for Uncharted 4.
But I'm sure Uncharted 4 is going to turn out to be very good as well under Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann.
Uncharted 4, first teaser trailer
But I'm sure Uncharted 4 is going to turn out to be very good as well under Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann.
Uncharted 4, first teaser trailer
Well I'm glad Nolan called Ubi out on their crappy handling of Desmond.
I was waiting for him to reach his master assassin story arc and finish off the templars
in present day but Ubi clearly just saw further milking to be had and gutted the story.
Anyway, I'm not surprised Druckley had to toss away part of Amy''s story.
I'm sure it's all been done to provide us with a better experience. I have basically unlimited faith in those two after UC2 and TLoU.
I was waiting for him to reach his master assassin story arc and finish off the templars
in present day but Ubi clearly just saw further milking to be had and gutted the story.
Anyway, I'm not surprised Druckley had to toss away part of Amy''s story.
I'm sure it's all been done to provide us with a better experience. I have basically unlimited faith in those two after UC2 and TLoU.
LiquidSolid
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If TLOU had encountered the same issues as Uncharted 3 (rushed development because they announced the release date too early and one of the main supporting characters having to be written out halfway through development), it probably would've been a "disaster" as well.
I'm guessing the current Uncharted script is 90% Amy's but with Bruce and Neil rewriting some parts. Surely they haven't just scrapped all the work that'd been done on it before she left.
The Assassin's Creed comments are so true. The modern day storyline seemed kinda lame at first but they really got me intrigued with it in AC2 and Brotherhood continued that right up until the end, when they came up with a shitty twist and it all went to hell after that. Ubisoft really ruined that franchise. They should've just given Patrice free reign to realise his vision for the series.
LiquidSolid
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They're probably doing their own take on the 1313 idea.
family_guy
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Two completely different tones though. Uncharted series embodies the summer blockbuster action flick. I hope it keeps the lighter tone.
BronsonLee
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No. /SherlockHolmes
Oh, I misread. "reboot a brand new Star Wars franchise" is a weird way to phrase that.
Dragon1893
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Why would the story take a hit if Druckmann is writing it from scratch?
Of course we'll never be able to compare both because Hennig's will never see the light of day, but it's not like they're stitching together pieces from 2 different stories, like North said, they threw it all away.
And going by what Druckmann did with TLOU I'd say it's in very good hands.
I want to hear the full story to this.
He isn't writing it from scratch. For instance, the character of Drake's brother appears in both versions. It seems more like they are doing a 'remake' of what the original would have been; following a lot of the same story beats but rejigging it in places and to suit the tone the new director wants.
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Also, Nolan says that it's "going to be along the lines of the same story", so it isn't being written from scratch by Druckmann.
He isn't writing it from scratch. For instance, the character of Drake's brother appears in both versions. It seems more like they are doing a 'remake' of what the original would have been; following a lot of the same story beats but rejigging it in places and to suit the tone the new director wants.
Edit:
Also, Nolan says that it's "going to be along the lines of the same story", so it isn't being written from scratch by Druckmann.
I wonder if we'll ever hear what Hennig has to say on this. But she probably signed some stuff that prevents her from speaking.
Don't you mean "the last of us guys"?
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
NN just said they scrapped all of her work, eight months in total.
I doubt people as inclined as Neil and Bruce in making an amazing game are going to combine two scripts and piggy back on someone else's. This explains the delay.
Well, saying something is "along the lines of the same story" really doesn't mean it's the same script. It may be the same overall idea or concept, Drake's final adventure, but who Sam was, who could possibly die, locations and motives can all change with a new writer and director.
They scrapped all of the motion capture. They recast characters, probably decided to express particular plot moments in different ways.
But, as Nolan North says, "it's going to be along the lines of the same story", so no, it appears they are "piggy backing" on the previous script.
Chuck Norris
Banned
I don't think they necessarily threw away levels and such that the team had been working on, seems more like Druckmann wanted an overhaul of the performances
Considering the gulf in quality between the performances and story of Uncharted 3 and TLOU this can only be good
Considering the gulf in quality between the performances and story of Uncharted 3 and TLOU this can only be good
Devilgunman
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I don't really care about tone, though. Good story is good story. All I know is these 2 create the best story-telling I've ever experienced from a video game. They can turn Nathan Drake into a murdorous psychopath or a peace-love hippie or whatever the heck they want but in the end I'm sure Uncharted 4's story will be amazing.
LiquidSolid
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Read it properly, he said they scrapped all the performance work, not the entire game. As Alienous pointed out, NN also said that the story was going to be along the same lines and we can see that in what little we know of the story.
As far as I'm aware, Naughty Dog are very efficient in developing their games (eg, reusing the horse from Uncharted 3 in TLOU), so there's no reason whatsoever to believe they suddenly just threw out all the code, art assets, etc. they'd already created for the game. They'll take what was there and rework it into the game they want.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Have people not seen the two gameplay demos?
Uncharted is still light hearted with the understanding it's not in a "real" universe like The Last of Us.
If they were going with a darker tone you most likely would have seen it in some gameplay elements with blood or more gruesome takedowns, but all I've seen is some punching and quick choke outs with little to no blood on people.
I mean, people could die from the main cast, but death is a common thing in stories like this. Then again if they do have the balls to kill off a main character (who doesn't betray Drake) I bet people will go and say "See, they wanted to be darker in tone and don't understand Uncharted!".
Finale Fireworker
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A Theif's End.
Meh, I would like the game in its ultimate form be like the teaser trailer but the recast seems to strongly hint otherwise. I liked uncharted 3 a lot but it definitely felt incredibly rushed and I assume it was chopped to hell during development. Hopefully we'll see some more great work from Amy Hennig soon.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I'm now far more interested in this new Star Wars game.
Dragon1893
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The fact that he decided to roll with the brother idea doesn't mean anything. For all we know it's an entirely new script. Since all the mo-cap was thrown away there was no reason for him to re-use stuff from another writer since it has to be re-recorded anyway.
I'm sure that given the option he'd rather write his own, why wouldn't he considering they have to shoot everything from the begining anyway?
BossDarkseid
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We've known she was working on Star Wars tho? Or at least she said that's part of the reason she doesn't want to talk about why she left ND. Obvs some NDA type stuff but she said she's working on her favorite IP so...basically if she's ina good place why not let sleeping dogs lie just so some journo/rich johnston could get clicks?
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Maybe you should read properly too?
I didn't say they scrapped the game, I said they scrapped her work, the script, which is probably why they are redoing all the performance capture.
The engine that the game is running on has been worked on for like three/four years, you've seen how fast they can crank out levels. Two months from geometry to what we saw at E3 (obviously textures and some artwork can be used across multiple levels, but my points still stands)
I'm not saying the whole game was scrapped, they can obviously still use previously made areas, but you can obviously change the context of the locations and the reason why someone is there, or you can keep the location the same but simply change what the people say and do, IE the script.
I mean, it's NN who said they scrapped all of her story, not me!
gundamkyoukai
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Neil and Bruce made TLOU , had a hand in UC2 and they were ND best games last gen.
UC4 is in very good hands nothing to worry about .
UC4 is in very good hands nothing to worry about .
SolidSnakex
Member
Bruce directed U2 and Neil was one of the lead designers, so they had a bit more than a hand in it.
MrS
Banned
It always strikes me that, of the pair, Straley is the one who deserves the lion's share of the credit. He designs the game, manages the team, chooses and tweaks the mechanics and is generally responsible for how it plays, while Druckmann is out directing mocap sessions. That's what I got from the 'GROUNDED: Making Of TLOU' DVD, anyway.
EDIT: I have no idea about game development so am likely wrong with how the work is split
Edited to elaborate a bit on why I feel that way.
Maybe he meant more than Druckmann and Straley. He could have meant The Last of Us team. This would suggest that they were doing preproduction on something else before being put on Uncharted 4 (which makes sense because they were obviously doing SOMETHING after Left Behind). It sounds like Naughty Dog management didn't like the direction the game was headed in and took them off the other project to put them on Uncharted 4. I don't think there was a fight between Druckmann/Straley and Hennig. I think that management felt that they were better for the job which probably offended her. This is all speculation, obviously.
Yeah, we've known she's been working on a Star Wars game as it was announced when she joined Visceral. A lot people would have also correctly guessed that it would be "Uncharted style" but this is probably the first confirmation.
There's a lot of cost involved in that. Things like assets already created, location research, etc. Plus it's very likely that Amy Hening's script wasn't shit.
If they decided to roll with the brother idea it means a lot. It means that the original script had elements that they liked, but wanted to do in their own way (casting Todd vs Roy, for instance).
So I don't think saying that it's an "entirely new script" has anything backing it up. The original vision took place, at least partially, in Madagascar. The most recent version does also. The original vision had Drake's brother as part of the story. The most recent version, again, also does.
#killdrakeorsullyandyouaredeadtome
I am surprised he had the stones to discuss this stuff. Honestly, I'm sure her work was good but I think it's better for the creative staff to work on thier own project, rather than try to follow the previous person's vision. Hopefully it turns out well, ND seems to have a lot of talented people so I'm not really worried about the end result.
The Star Wars Uncharted thing sounds like a good fit, I don't care about SW so I prolly won't go for it but I bet people will love how it turns out.
I only played AC1 but I figured the last game would have Desmond as the main character of his own story. It sounds like it's probably better they didn't though.
The Star Wars Uncharted thing sounds like a good fit, I don't care about SW so I prolly won't go for it but I bet people will love how it turns out.
I only played AC1 but I figured the last game would have Desmond as the main character of his own story. It sounds like it's probably better they didn't though.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Bruce directed U2 and Neil was one of the lead designers, so they had a bit more than a hand in it.
Yeah i know but did not want the whole amy was on it thing also .