That's a given. It's going to be a DC, Saturn, TG16 selling system and not really a GCN selling system. I just hope it becomes at least somewhat profitable in the end, because it's really not bouncing back.
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NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
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Perplexing as to why Nintendo didn't want the refresh on shelves alongside ORAS and Smash...
It's bad man.
Here's how.
1. In order to achieve this win, Microsoft had to deeply devalue the product they had been offering all year for higher prices. Consumers jumped in - with a big jump early in November - but according to insiders, Sony may have even won Black Friday and it was those early two weeks that allowed Microsoft to keep the overall win.
2. So, due to this fact, what happens? Will Microsoft have to keep the price at $349? I don't see any viable alternative if they want to stay even remotely competitive now. If they go up to $399, consumers are going to wait it out knowing Microsoft will take drastic price cutting measures if they feel threatened from a marketshare point-of-view. So they'd just as likely wait it out. Consider Xbox division is already under pressure to start making a profit and being a viable pillar, many interal debates between services & devices and the other divisions. In order to just barely win, they had to cut in deep to their profit margin.
3. This means that once the glow of the price change is over, the trajectory indicates it's very likely now PS4 is just going to go back to winning every month. This is the last thing Microsoft wanted. Now they've devalued their platform, their profit margins are diminished, and PS4 is still the marketleader getting their good PR. Microsoft gained almost nothing in the exchange, except perhaps to tell third parties planning to publish games in the West that it's still important to make ports for XBO and engage in marketing deals with MS for some exclusivity and other mutually beneficial deals.
4. With all the game announcements from Sony in December (in fact so many that PS4 is dominating December discussion, in a crucial period of the time when families come together and thus quickly spread their opinions on personal events, TV shows, games, etc), it's not likely Microsoft is going to have room to breathe to make a second month upset. Microsoft Store is selling their system at an astonishing $349 AC Bundle with two free games on top of it, but it will not be enough with numbers that look like this even for November NPD.
None of this means XBO is selling poorly, it probably did quite well if it's that close and edged out PS4. But it does now mean the future is clear: Sony has this generation in the bag in terms of system sales, including in US and UK, and that Microsoft is going to have a very hard fight to even keep their unit sales competitive in their only two remaining viable territories.
Honestly? Nope. Without their other services backing it up XBO would be a dead endeavour.
But something is telling me that Windows 10 will be a thing/
fiasco
If you to the price cuts and all the add money it does but I wouldn't go so far to actually say it was pyrrhic more like a gamble that apparently didn't work out as well* as MS wished.
*If it had worked out that well we would be seeing "Won Us, Won UK". Have a feeling it was UK that they won. Those bundles where insanely good.
Its in the PR statement.
Indeed. He didn't say what the 7 - 10k was for, he just knew what people would assume it meant, and hey maybe it does.
But still. Aqua??
Mass Effect
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Xbox winning. No surprise. What is surprising though is the microscopic gap between the Xbox and PS4 despite MS going all out. That doesn't bode well for them.
Glad AC took a hit on sales. Sorry, but the game doesn't deserve to do well.
No Dragon Age? Shame, seems like most people like it. Well, at least it will go on sale relatively quickly...
#AlphaSapphireSuperiority
Glad AC took a hit on sales. Sorry, but the game doesn't deserve to do well.
No Dragon Age? Shame, seems like most people like it. Well, at least it will go on sale relatively quickly...
#AlphaSapphireSuperiority
SymbiantXenos
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WW PS4 sales have to be over 15M by now.
Meanwhile, Major Nelson fux wit some rainbows:
https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/543195890274430976
https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/543195890274430976
KefkaPalazzo
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Assuming CBOAT is right, I think that given the PR statement from Microsoft that would indicate terrific sales, it's less of a negative reflection on the Xbox brand, and more of a positive one on the mass appeal of the PS4. So all of these lol Microsoft posts are pretty silly.
Hahaha. The definition of pyrrhic victory (take into consideration how much it cost Microsoft).
To be honest though, judging by the amount that the PS4 was outselling the X1, it didn't seem as if many customers really faced a difficult choice between the PS4 and X1. So one could have guessed that a price of "regular" proportions like the one in November won't make a huge difference.
At this point in terms of short-term options, the only thing that MS could really do to create a meaningful distance in monthly sale is to do something completely drastic like pricing the X1 at halt the price of the PS4. Smaller price cuts just don't seem to cut it.
At this point in terms of short-term options, the only thing that MS could really do to create a meaningful distance in monthly sale is to do something completely drastic like pricing the X1 at halt the price of the PS4. Smaller price cuts just don't seem to cut it.
IAmRandom31
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Sony has big software hitting throughout the first half of 2015. Those are going to be bloodbaths.
Then the inevitable E3 $299 announcement. Then Uncharted and No Mans Sky and such during the holidays. Man .....
Could Sony actually hit 20m by January? If the US is about 37% of WW numbers then they may of had a 3 million selling month
Then the inevitable E3 $299 announcement. Then Uncharted and No Mans Sky and such during the holidays. Man .....
Could Sony actually hit 20m by January? If the US is about 37% of WW numbers then they may of had a 3 million selling month
WrenchNinja
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I guess we can't really argue about what ifs and looking outside of the bubble when there are plenty of factors that could contribute to more or less sales and have to look at the numbers instead. And the numbers say, in their month's of release, one remake outsold the other.
#JOHTOFOREVER
In 10th place.
Its all about winning and losing on the GAF. Fuck internal numbers.
Wow, that was the most aggressive marketing push I have ever seen for a console during the Christmas season. A drastic price cut on top of the recent 100 dollar price drop plus two free games (and more stuff at select retailers) and it BARELY outsells PS4. It's done, there is no way MS can ever outdo Sony this generation. Call it.
Good sales on Smash Bros. and amiibo. Wii U dead.
Good sales on Smash Bros. and amiibo. Wii U dead.
bananafactory
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If what cboat said is true we already have a pretty good estimate based on the increase vs last year. Someone worked it out to be anywhere from 1.79 - 2.09 million for PS4+XB1 combined. Since the diff is essentially a wash we're looking at 900k-1mil per system.
Kazuma Kiryu
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All jokes aside, that WiiU number (November, with Smash Bros) is the final nail in the coffin.
I mean, I've always believed that WiiU wouldn't even reach GC sales, but now there is absolutely no doubt.
I mean, I've always believed that WiiU wouldn't even reach GC sales, but now there is absolutely no doubt.
SmoothRunningGun
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X1 not a surprise. Price is king.
Happy for Fc4.
Happy for Fc4.
OdysseusVA
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RowdyReverb
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Dropping bombs
Three heavy hitter new titles while Sony had nothing but a port of a last gen game and LBP3. And a price cut. And bundling.
I think December is a lock for Sony, if those suggestions that the largest part of the disparity was in the first few weeks then the pendulum is already swinging back. Then we have the Microsoft no-show at TGA and the Sony PS Anniversary events just bombarding people with positive news.
Maybe when Halo 5 roles round next November, they can give it another go. 'cause they're looking at little thin for the next few months.
Vestal
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(If that is not the console difference)Even if he is referring to something else, the lack of clarification I would hope would pretty much banish him from GAF.
PhantomFear
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Everyone laughed when MS PR talked about selling a whole palette at a store on black friday. Turns out that may have been what put them over the edge lol.
How is it minimal results? It led to their best month ever. Lets face it, Xbox One is never going to beat PS4 in worldwide sales. I know it, you know it, Sony knows it, MS knows it. That doesn't mean Xbox One can't be a successful product for MS.
700k Amiibo?
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Deleted member 17706
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Haha. Fair enough! I think we can agree that both are great remakes that sold exceedingly well.
Assuming they sold 900k they lost at least $54,000,000 in potential profits.... (Difference between regular price and sale price) That assumes a $60~ difference I saw someone say $70~ difference which would be another million dollars added on to the difference.
That assumes 900k consoles sold. This is not a guaranteed "loss" per say, at least as far as the how much microsoft would report as a loss. Just how much was "lost" (potential profits) selling the consoles for cheaper.
Canis lupus
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They haven't tried that thing called price cutting in a long time. It's still more expensive than a PS3 and 360.
Coffee Dog
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Honestly surprised at how bad wii u sales are. Expected mario kart + smash to have more casual appeal.
I'd like to know this as well.
7DollarHagane
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I don't understand at all what Nintendo is doing with regards to the price of the WiiU.
After this holiday all bets should be off. That console should be $150 and ride it out on software sales until the next generation.
It worked really well for the gamecube and they pulled out a lot of strong sales after they brought the price down significantly below PS2/Xbox.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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Those 10 dudes that didn't buy GTA they said , it isn't appealing they said . thanks for sharing
friskykillface
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Welp , that's it for Wii u
I expect a Zelda twilight princess situation for the next Zelda game, or it'll be a launch title for the next Nintendo console
Bye bye little guy, still sticking with my launch model
I expect a Zelda twilight princess situation for the next Zelda game, or it'll be a launch title for the next Nintendo console
Bye bye little guy, still sticking with my launch model
Final Verdict
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Tom Nook Sawyer
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The hyperbole is getting a bit ridiculous now. Is the Wii U selling well? Not at all. But it's getting close to 10-million sales, which is already half of the GameCube did.
And the GameCube only sold a fifth of what the PS2 did. So no, it doesn't make the GameCube look like the PS2 in comparison. There is no need to exaggerate when the numbers already speak for themselves.
IdreamofHIME
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The Return of the Return of the King.
vpance
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Way too late. They need that in Jan, stat.
There must be some serious Xbone strategy talk going on at MS HQ now. Like, WTF do we do now.
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