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[dugdug]

Never had a chance? Weren't they the ones who cancelled almost all post-E3 interviews?

 

[railGUN]

Microsoft wasn't ready, clearly.

 

[Muffdraul]

I feel you, Albert. I was ready, but it's way too soon for the mob. Some people will never be ready, but there will come a time when everyone on the planet has cheap high speed wireless access, and the concept of selling used games and loaning/borrowing them will become obsolete, when anyone can download any game in a few seconds. It's a ways off, but it'll happen someday. Don't Stop Beliebing.

 

[Raydeen]

Eh. Maybe it's a good thing if the next MS CEO kills the Xbox.

So Sony can make them even more draconian and you won't have no choice but to lube up and take it? Memo: Sony are a business. P

 

[GloveSlap]

He's 100% right.

It's absolutely insane that i have to ship a piece of plastic from NJ (closest Amazon warehouse) to my house in order to play a game.

They should have not included a disk drive in that thing and moved forward dragging the rest of the world with them.

The world isn't ready for 50GB downloads, or at least the US isn't.

 

[dose]

I will never be ready. You can stick your fully digital future up your ass.

 

[Satchel]

I was ready

 

[WordsintheWater]

Let me just put out there that they had plenty of opportunity to explain the all digital stuff, but they chose not to or did not even have an answer. Never got a chance is the complete opposite of what they got.

 

[UberTag]

Microsoft still doesn't understand why the widely embraced licensing model of Office 365 won't be embraced by gamers.

"Why won't this revenue model that works so well and is so profitable in this one sector not work in this other sector? It's just common sense."

When, of course, the only reason the Office model exists is "widely embraced" is because there are no real alternatives out there that offer a non-extortionary pricing strategy.

 

[twobear]

Never had a chance? Weren't they the ones who cancelled almost all post-E3 interviews?

Ddddddd go in

 

[Burai]

I do feel like we never got a chance to have a rational conversation about what we were trying to do

Yet you had the chance to open pre-orders before you'd even nailed down the particulars..

Plenty of chance to take our money, not enough chance to tell us what we'd get for it.

 

[Salex_]

"I do feel like we never got a chance to have a rational conversation about what we were trying to do," Penello told Engadget.

What does this even mean? They had many opportunities to talk about what they were trying to do but they kept saying "wait for more details" and weren't clear on everything they were talking about when any article came out. What kind of excuse is this?

 

[BrokenIcarus]

This has nothing to do with all digital. if they wanted to go all-digital they shouldn't have included a disc drive. They couldq have implemented their weird 24hour check-ins for digital games and leave the disc based games as they were. Instead they tried to screw us over with a 24-hour check on disc based games qhich leaves you with a dummy disc once you fail to validate your console. That should never be the future imo

 

[Josman]

That's the future? Something tells me they would do it again if given the chance

 

[Warablo]

Digital is the future, but not with those fucked up policies they had...

 

[ElTorro]

I wish they would have tried to initiate rational conversations without using foggy phrases like "experiences", "future" and "everything you care about". Why not just say that they despise the impact that used games have on their profit. Who do they think is fooled by their pretended focus on the customer? Its about the money, and people noticed.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Someone should highlight the differences between Xbone's pre-180 digital ecosystem and Steam's and show that list to Penello.

That's one point that can be made. Another that I always considered more important was understanding what it took for Steam to get where it is today. Even if I give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt and assume that their DRM was going to be pretty much exactly the same as Steam, I think it's a mistake to assume that Valve released Steam to the public and everyone immediately fell in love with it.

 

[Nymphae]

I was ready.

For those with shit internet connections who weren't.

Tough shit. Throw your clogs (and prams) into the machine.

lol, those with shit internet connections won that fight. So, tough shit to you?

 

[xxracerxx]

"I do feel like we never got a chance to have a rational conversation about what we were trying to do," Penello told Engadget.

They had all the time in the world to do so after their announcement. They just chose to be defensive instead.

 

[aeolist]

i love the not so subtle jab there, calling his customers irrational

 

[Steroyd]

*looks at next gen game sizes*

Yeah sure, when I can fit more than 10 games on a hardrive then maybe we can have a rational intelligent discussion.

If game sizes kept to the current generation or less, it is foreseeable in the future but if game sizes going to keep rising at this rate with every new hardware...

Nope.

 

[fallagin]

People weren't ready for your shitty drm AP, and we never will be.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

I wonder when they'll learn this lesson:

"People will never be ready for restrictions on physical media, as well."

Seems like an important tidbit they keep missing.

 

[Thrakier]

I'm on steam and perfectly fine with that. It's great and I LOVE all digital. I'm not sure if this is "not being ready".

However, the last thing on earth I'd buy is a game machine in an economical enviroment which is completly controlled by MS, where every game costs 60$+ with NO retail value whatsoever.

 

[Ryuuga]

The misunderstanding will continue until people are willing to accept their future.

 

[somesayyea]

bullshit albert, the problem wasn't the messaging it was the actually policies

 

[soul creator]

The world isn't ready for 50GB downloads, or at least the US isn't.

That's why they had retail discs (that can be installed and then function the same as a digital game) as a backup plan.

Of course, people didn't like the other tradeoffs (lack of freely selling games on ebay or easily loaning a disc to a friend), but they did account for large downloads and bandwidth caps under the original plan.

 

[Maninthemirror]

One of the reasons i did not pre order an x1. Your policies shifted me from being an Xbox fanboy to a gaming fan shift to sony's system

 

[Beant]

I don't get it, can't people still go all digital this gen if they want to?

Whats the benefit (for consumers) of forcing everyone going to go all digital vs giving people the choice?

 

[tfur]

Out of touch still.

Xbox (180-180)

 

[Killer]

Silence is golden.

 

[CambriaRising]

So Sony can make them even more draconian and you won't have no choice but to lube up and take it? Memo: Sony are a business. P

"Sony too!"

Yawn.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

This is probably very much a thread Penello will look at but not actually respond to if I had to guess.

 

[eot]

They had months to make good points but instead they just hid

 

[weekend_warrior]

Thanks a lot GAF! We could be living in the future right now if it wasn't for you meddling forum posters!

 

[Marleyman]

He is right; change will come and it won't just be MS. They just need to make it more consumer friendly.

 

[RoboPlato]

He's 100% right.

It's absolutely insane that i have to ship a piece of plastic from NJ (closest Amazon warehouse) to my house in order to play a game.

They should have not included a disk drive in that thing and moved forward dragging the rest of the world with them.

You can still go all digital on Xbox One and PS4, you just won't have to worry about getting locked out of your games when the authentication servers inevitably crap out. You're welcome.

 

[AmyS]

 

[twobear]

This is probably very much a thread Penello will look at but not actually respond to if I had to guess.

I want to see his spin actually.

 

[Derrick01]

I was ready years ago Microsoft.

Your version of it just sucked monkey balls.

Yeah Steam's already doing Microsoft's future, and doing it far better and friendlier than they were. As usual.

 

[Tallshortman]

They went into radio silence and barely defended their "vision" and then did reversal after reversal. Hard to have a conversation when you don't even start one. Either way, their vision was stupid the way it was designed.

 

[monlo]

the problem was no options.

I had no option. I had to maintain a high speed internet to play games with the previous version of the console.

Now, there are options.

Thank god

 

[cajunator]

Digital only would be bullshitty bullshit.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I think the question I have is were they really prepared to make a compelling case for the move? Obviously, his point that people weren't ready is correct, but I'm not convinced that they were truly prepared to really pull out all the stops in trying to win people over in as much as they just expected people to accept it. There tended to be a lot of comparisons to other platforms/media that have gone mostly (if not completely) digital, but there didn't seem to be any understanding of how long that process was and what it took to get there. When they were scrambling to win people over with ideas like the Family Sharing plan, it was pretty clear that they really didn't have their message completely fleshed out.

Exactly. If they had stuff that could have turned the tide of opinion we would have seen it. Instead, the best they could do was the vague family plan claims.

 

[soulassssns]

I was ready.

For those with shit internet connections who weren't.

Tough shit. Throw your clogs (and prams) into the machine.

Umm no!

 

[Neuromancer]

That's one point that can be made. Another that I always considered more important was understanding what it took for Steam to get where it is today. Even if I give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt and assume that their DRM was going to be pretty much exactly the same as Steam, I think it's a mistake to assume that Valve released Steam to the public and everyone immediately fell in love with it.

Haha yep. Steam was a clusterfuck at the beginning and I remember people being very angry they had to use it just to play the copy of HL2 they bought at the store. It's come a long, long way since then.

I don't think pre-180 Xbox One realistically had any room to get better the way Steam did.

 

[Raydeen]

lol, those with shit internet connections won that fight. So, tough shit to you?

Congratulations on keeping gaming the same static box under the TV we've had for the last 30 years. Pat yourself on the back.

 

[nickthebiggeek]

Anyone shocked by this is beyond naive. I like the games, but the rationale behind their DRM approach is beyond repugnant.

Seems the loyalist turn a blind eye to this.

 

[Jomjom]

Don't get why they keep going with this tired spin of consumers are primative cavemen and MS's only fault was that they couldn't dumb it down enough for us to understand.

Panello of anyone at MS should know best what the gamer perspective has been of this offensive comment.

 

[coldfoot]

I'm not against an all-digital future, hell the PC is there now.
I'm against 24 hour dial home feature, that's bullshit.