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[Hoo-doo]

You know, because that's exactly how they pitched it from day one. 'NO MAN LEFT BEHIND'.

And if it gets exclusive games a couple of years down the road, then who cares at that point. A whole new line of consoles will likely be around the corner by then and PC hardware will have already eclipsed the thing in hardware power anyway.

So yeah, good that they are reiterating on this.

 

[RootCause]

I want to know more about 360 bc. Hope I can just throw my discs in and play. Maybe improve framerate for games that are framerate unlocked.

If its ryzen as rumored. May very well be.


Plenty of console devs will still target 30 for reasons though. Parity, less work, etc.

There's a new rumor?

 

[Unrivaled]

First you need games

 

[SiegfriedFM]

All Xbox 360 games will be playable without a harddrive.

 

[AEdouard]

What's confusing? It's their PS4 Pro only stronger.

I think it's working well for Sony. I don't see how this is bad for Microsoft either. At least it's a focused message: here's a more powerful Xbox that plays the same games, but prettier. It's not the messaging mess that was the Xbox One launch.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Is this finally going to be the 60 fps console?

As long as video game developers have freedom to make the game they want to make, you will never, EVER get a 60fps console

Spoiler

NEVER EVER

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

I want to know more about 360 bc. Hope I can just throw my discs in and play. Maybe improve framerate for games that are framerate unlocked.


There's a new rumor?

Honestly, PS4 Pro is kind of underwhelming and bottlenecked, and they are pushing it as a bigger upgrade, so it would be pointless if they used those old and underpowered Jaguar cores again. 4 Ryzen cores with hyperthread would be a huge upgrade.

 

[ZeezbruhTV]

... Halo coming to PC?

Have you missed Halo 5 forge? Obviously a beta test of PC platform.

 

[Chamber]

There's a new rumor?

Nope, just hopes and dreams.

 

[Guileless]

Really want them to just officially show this thing off in May so we can get a better picture of their strategy because right now it's hard to make sense out of it.

This is true, right now there are so many different ways this could go.

 

[franklyshankly]

What's confusing? It's their PS4 Pro only stronger.

People have somehow convinced themselves, against all evidence, that this is actually an entirely new console gen. I have no idea how or why they have come to that conclusion, but that is why they are "confused" when MS repeatedly says the opposite.

 

[Boke1879]

They are called Scorpio games, that's a good sign. Maybe they will be down ported (scorpio first, then get it working on Xbox One base), letting the Scorpio base have freedom, which translate to awesome PC versions I hope.

Fam they will be no different than PS4 and PSPro games.

No dev is going to go all out on the Scorpio only to port down. Makes no sense with all the base Ps4's and Xbox Ones out there

 

[pixellated_man]

How many times does he have to say it

As long as there is a sizeable number of people who carry on claiming Scorpio will be getting it's own exclusives outside of VR games, Phil will occasionally have to correct them. He doesn't want recent xbox owners feeling they have bought into a soon to be redundant console. 'No one left behind' was the catchphrase and Microsoft cant' turn their back on that promise.

 

[heringer]

As long as video game developers have freedom to make the game they want to make, you will never, EVER get a 60fps console

Spoiler

NEVER EVER

But here's the thing: the game they want to make is being developed for a far weaker hardware. They can add a few bells and whistles, but nothing that fundamentally changes how the game is developed. 60 fps is an option they could very well afford to offer, like some games already do with PS4 Pro (but fail to deliver).

 

[dragonelite]

There's a new rumor?

wccftech posted a article about Ryzen mobile appearing second half of this year,
but then again its wccftech i was told they are wrong most of the time?

 

[AEdouard]

As long as video game developers have freedom to make the game they want to make, you will never, EVER get a 60fps console

Spoiler

NEVER EVER

Yeah, pretty beats fluidity almost every time, no matter how powerful the hardware is.

Maybe we'll get to a point where perceivable increments in visual quality are just not noticiable enough compared to higher framerates (even from the perspective of console developers) that we'll finally transition to 60 fps, but that will take forever, especially with the adoption of 4k, which is freaking demanding.

 

[StoopKid]

So will Scorpio games be on different discs?

 

[c0de]

Until VR games.

You found the loophole! I never would've known when it wasn't you to point that out.

 

[Kleegamefan]

But Colin Moriarty insists that Scorpio is a new generation, unlike PS4 Pro.

Colinwaswrong.com

 

[jelly]

They will until they don't. That's the gist of it.

Don't buy an Xbox Scorpio if you want a next gen console, buy one because you want to play nicer looking and better performing Xbox One games. You only have yourself to blame if you end up being disappointed when Microsoft dump Scorpio for Xbox 5.

 

[EvB]

Oh sure, I get that this makes sense. I just would love to have ps4 exclusives on my gaming PC. (In no world is that possible though).

Everybody has gone to the rapture got ported by SSM

 

[AEdouard]

But here's the thing: the game they want to make is being developed for a far weaker hardware. They can add a few bells and whistles, but nothing that fundamentally changes how the game is developed. 60 fps is an option they could very well afford to offer, like some games already do with PS4 Pro (but fail to deliver).

Trouble is that they're focused on 4k (or semi 4k), which sips all the power. Scorpio isn't that powerful. It's about a 1/3 stronger than a Ps4 Pro and, probably, not as capable as a Gtx 1070. It will work hard for that 4k.

 

[BlazinSkatinAxel]

Fam they will be no different than PS4 and PSPro games.

No dev is going to go all out on the Scorpio only to port down. Makes no sense with all the base Ps4's and Xbox Ones out there

Ultra Settings (Win 10 PC, Xbox Scorpion)
Normal Settings (Xbox One).
Low Settings

Developers do it all the time.

 

[Boke1879]

Ultra Settings (Win 10 PC, Xbox Scorpion)
Normal Settings (Xbox One).
Low Settings

Developers do it all the time.

Devs will target the base model. Just like they do now with the Pro and then add in the bells and whistles

 

[tiredheadcrab]

Yes it's microsofts PS4 Pro with a better marketing, and more confidence behind it. Which will hopefully make a better case for irritive consoles.

Glad we can all agree.

 

[BlazinSkatinAxel]

Devs will target the base model. Just like they do now with the Pro and then add in the bells and whistles

4k Win 10 / Scorpion is the new base model until it isn't.

 

[Hoo-doo]

4k Win 10 / Scorpion is the new base model until it isn't.

So the Xbox One will just not get the games then?

 

[Inuhanyou]

we already knew this....

 

[family_guy]

Fam they will be no different than PS4 and PSPro games.

No dev is going to go all out on the Scorpio only to port down. Makes no sense with all the base Ps4's and Xbox Ones out there

Most games are developed on high end PCs and then ported down.

 

[Boke1879]

Yes it's microsofts PS4 Pro with a better marketing, and more confidence behind it. Which will hopefully make a better case for irritive consoles.

Glad we can all agree.

Marketing for this hasn't even started so we don't know how good it's going to be. You can have all the confidence in the world. It still most likely will see similar sales to the Pro

 

[calavera_jo]

You only have yourself to blame if you end up being disappointed when Microsoft dump Scorpio for Xbox 5.

I wouldn't be surprised if their next one is actually named Xbox 5

 

[Aceofspades]

But Colin Moriarty insists that Scorpio is a new generation, unlike PS4 Pro.

The jump from PRO to Scorpio doesn't entail such definition at all.

 

[HeisenbergWW62]

My mind is blown that it is exactly what they said it is

Anyway I don't want to hear about Scorpio again until they unveil it. It seems like they just keep reminding us that it exists every few weeks

 

[tiredheadcrab]

Marketing for this hasn't even started so we don't know how good it's going to be. You can have all the confidence in the world. It still most likely will see similar sales to the Pro

Marketing started last E3.

When you say similar to the Pro, you probably mean better than the PS4 pro and I agree. MS will probably sell more than the pro did in the same time frame.

 

[Boke1879]

Most games are developed on high end PCs and then ported down.

But the Scorpio will not be the "base" model for devs. It'll continue to be the slim/ One S.

A devs isn't going to invest too much into making the Scorpio version all it can be simply because the install base isn't there.

 

[Kleegamefan]

we already knew this....

Yet many of us still deny it.

Go figure.

 

[dreamlongdead]

First response is terrible and reeks of delusion.

I can't believe how hard it is for some people to realize that Scorpio is not a new generation.

 

[Falchion]

Playable yes, but I bet some of the games get paired down for OG Xbox Ones like how Black Ops III didn't even include the campaign on 360.

 

[I_D]

Every game also running on Windows 10 would be amazing. I have my doubts, though.

 

[WooHooAlex]

Over/Under 12 months until they drop that restriction?

 

[BibiMaghoo]

And still people will argue it is something more, and it will have it's own games. So many people just do not listen.

 

[ethomaz]

Every game also running on Windows 10 would be amazing. I have my doubts, though.

I can be wrong but is already happening since a year ago.

 

[Fisty]

Hmmm further evidence for my "Scorpio is a UWP box" theory. Maybe he's referring specifically to first party with "every game on Win 10" thing

 

[LordofPwn]

What's confusing? It's their PS4 Pro only stronger.

People have somehow convinced themselves, against all evidence, that this is actually an entirely new console gen. I have no idea how or why they have come to that conclusion, but that is why they are "confused" when MS repeatedly says the opposite.

Their original E3 message made sense to me, it's a more powerful xbox one, no one gets left behind. The confusing part is their strategy and messaging.

 

[Alpha Phoenix]

This information was in the very first reveal. I would be shocked if that changed this close to launch.

 

[jelly]

Playable yes, but I bet some of the games get paired down for OG Xbox Ones like how Black Ops III didn't even include the campaign on 360.

What games would those be. PS4/Pro still exist and will be the main driver until PS5/Xbox 5.

You will see games like that the same time as always, straddling two generations so PS4/Xbox One while PS5/Xbox 5 in are in year 1/2.

 

[tiredheadcrab]

First response is terrible and reeks of delusion.

I can't believe how hard it is for some people to realize that Scorpio is not a new generation.

Right. MS is not doing generations anymore. Just putting faster x86 into their hardware and sticking to windows 10 as their core.

Scorpio 2 will be an irritive console.

So will scorpio 3.

So will Scorpio 4.

 

[VectorVictor]

Hasn't that been pretty much the narative since the E3 reveal.

Yes, but certain segments of the video game fan population remain willfully myopic and obtuse about said narrative.

This is old news--we knew before that the Scorpio was going to be what the PS4 Pro is to the PS4, only the Scorpio is going to be significantly more powerful than the XB1(s), PS4, or PS4 Pro.

And if they eventually come out with a Scorpio-only lineup down the road, I don't see why that would be a bad thing--after all, iOS and Android eventually have newer hardware requirements to run new software and games, and what Sony and Microsoft are going for is to emulate the sales and hardware replacement tactics of the mobile market, right?

 

[family_guy]

But the Scorpio will not be the "base" model for devs. It'll continue to be the slim/ One S.

A devs isn't going to invest too much into making the Scorpio version all it can be simply because the install base isn't there.

I think alot of that falls down to the game engine as far as what's a large investment and what isn't.

 

[jelly]

I can be wrong but is already happening since a year ago.

Yeah, that's what Phil really means, not that all games are available on the Windows Store, just that games are running on a flavour of Win 10 which is true.