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[Newtype-001]

Gravity Rush 2 next year will make it the best year this gen.

Spoiler

Plz no delay

 

[CamHostage]

Why would MS say soemthing like this? Their lineup killed it this year.

Halo, Forza, and ... what else?

Not asking to be a jerk, I just felt like both consoles were well shy of the flood of second-generation titles that we usually get about this point in a platform's lifespan. But Microsoft did provide one 800-lb gorilla in Halo 5, that was a massive achievement.

When referring to first party titles most have of course have in mind games made by Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft for their own plattforms. But of course, how do you define a game like Smash Bros, which was mostly developed outside Nintendo or Bloodborne, developed by From and Sony? Shit is muddy. I for example would not count Street Fighter 5 or Bayonetta 2 as first parties, but they are exclusives to varying degrees and wouldn't be possible without the plattform holders.

We probably need more labels for all of these inbetween cases.

It's all arbitrary argument fodder, but I'm glad that places like GAF still gets hyped and concerned about exclusives. So if we need labels, bring them on.

It's hard to tell what exclusives made by 2nd parties mean since they're sometimes timed exclusives. I for instance wouldn't count Street FIghter 5 in this conversation, nor would I count Rise of the Tomb Raider, but both games benefitted if not owed their existence to that console manufacturer relationship. As a savvy gamer, I'd say that if Sony or Nintendo or Microsoft managed the project with its own producers, even if some other studio made it, that's still vital to this conversation because it's their braintrust finding the teams, greenlighting the good idea, and shepherding the project to completion. So Smash for sure is Nintendo's, Bloodborne is probably Sony's (they had the same partnership with Demon's Soul before everything went dark,) Street Fighter isn't Sony's, Bayonetta probably isn't Nintendo's (but I'm not sure if Wonderful 101 is; Star Fox is for sure), Scalebound and Halo Wars 2 are Microsoft's.

Bottom line will always be that if you want those games, where can you play them? If the answer is simple, then it's part of the exclusive conversation; if it's complicated, then asterisk it or leave it out of the debate, (That being said, I'd hate to leave Crackdown 3 out of the Xbox One's win column... I've confused myself!)

 

[Fret]

-Kingdom Hearts 2.8 HD

is that a real name for a game

 

[Tagg9]

is that a real name for a game

Actually, no. The title is: KINGDOM HEARTS HD II.8: FINAL CHAPTER PROLOGUE.

 

[GravityInsanity]

Guarantee Horizon is pushed back.

 

[JJD]

Why would MS say soemthing like this? Their lineup got killed it this year.

Fixed.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but most of their games underperformed right?

 

[fvng]

You can't count street fighter and no man's sky as first party Sony. That said I'm hyped

 

[LiquidSolid]

Yes?
Not sure if serious or just woefully ignorant of how much better MS' lineup was this year.

Not ignorant at all, it was a decent lineup, I just don't think it came close to "killing it," not when it consisted of the same old franchises they've relied on for forever and especially not when the first 8 months of the year were barren wastelands.

When referring to first party titles most have of course have in mind games made by Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft for their own plattforms. But of course, how do you define a game like Smash Bros, which was mostly developed outside Nintendo or Bloodborne, developed by From and Sony? Shit is muddy. I for example would not count Street Fighter 5 or Bayonetta 2 as first parties, but they are exclusives to varying degrees and wouldn't be possible without the plattform holders.

We probably need more labels for all of these inbetween cases.

I dunno, I think it's fairly clear, especially in the case of Smash Bros and Bloodborne. They're funded, published and owned by their respective platform holders, so while they may have been developed externally, they're still first party games. It's not like those kind of deals are new, they've been around for forever. If Smash Bros and Bloodborne aren't first party games then Earthbound, Pokemon, PaRappa the Rapper and a shitload of other games aren't either.

Whereas games like Street Fighter V, Bayonetta 2, Dead Rising 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, etc. were only partially funded by first parties and/or are still owned by third parties, so they're third party exclusives.

I don't think we need any more labels, people try to make these things far more complicated than they are.

 

[TheYanger]

Fixed.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but most of their games underperformed right?

Not sure what sales have to do with the quality/quantity of the titles, since that's what this thread is about.

Not ignorant at all, it was a decent lineup, I just don't think it came close to "killing it," not when it consisted of the same old franchises they've relied on for forever and especially not when the first 8 months of the year were barren wastelands.

Ori came out in March, Rare Replay came out in August, that's as many good exclusives as the PS4 got all year. If you want to be dismissive of things like Halo, Gears, Forza, and Tomb Raider (Not really exclusive, but a year is a looong time to wait) you might as well be dismissive of every Nintendo game in an old franchise as well, or shit Bloodborne for that matter, Uncharted 4, everything. Reality is they were all stellar games an they all came out this year ON TOP of all the multiplat shit that everyone got. So, yes, it was a very good year.

 

[eerik9000]

It was a very weak year for Sony's first party. Did they have anything besides The Order 1866 and Until Dawn? Bloodborne was a third party exclusive

Until Dawn and Bloodborne were all I needed this year.

BB's technically not "first party", but in terms of exclusives at least.

Bloodborne is very much a first party title. Sony funded, produced and published it.

 

[Rajang]

Bloodborne was co-developed by Sony's Japan Studio, just like Demon's Souls.

 

[KeRaSh]

Until Dawn and Bloodborne were all I needed this year.

BB's technically not "first party", but in terms of exclusives at least.

Haven't tried Until Dawn yet but only because I didn't have enough time for it.
Bloodborne however is Sony's saving grace this year. People forget about it because it came out so early but it's my GOTY without anything coming even remotely close.
The DLC came out just in time to remind everybody how awesome it is.

 

[Loudninja]

All games this year from Wiki:
Bloodborne
God of War III Remastered
Journey Collectors Edition
MLB 15: The Show
Tearaway Unfolded
The Order: 1886
Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection
Until Dawn
Helldivers
Beyond: Two Souls
Driveclub Bikes
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Fat Princess Adventures
Helldivers
Hustle Kings
Journey
Guns Up!
Super Stardust Ultra

 

[Gurish]

He said TLG, hopefully he knows what he is talking about and that he knows the game is coming out rather than just assuming.

 

[Eolz]

All games this year from Wiki:
Bloodborne
God of War III Remastered
Journey Collectors Edition
MLB 15: The Show
Tearaway Unfolded
The Order: 1886
Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection
Until Dawn
Helldivers
Beyond: Two Souls
Driveclub Bikes
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
Fat Princess Adventures
Helldivers
Hustle Kings
Journey
Guns Up!
Super Stardust Ultra

Definitely the weakest first-party out of the big three this year.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Not sure what sales have to do with the quality/quantity of the titles, since that's what this thread is about.

Ori came out in March, Rare Replay came out in August, that's as many good exclusives as the PS4 got all year. If you want to be dismissive of things like Halo, Gears, Forza, and Tomb Raider (Not really exclusive, but a year is a looong time to wait) you might as well be dismissive of every Nintendo game in an old franchise as well, or shit Bloodborne for that matter, Uncharted 4, everything. Reality is they were all stellar games an they all came out this year ON TOP of all the multiplat shit that everyone got. So, yes, it was a very good year.

I love how dismissive you are of the PS4's lineup (only TWO good exclusives all year!) while talking up a list of six games that includes two remaster/collections and one timed exclusive. Let me guess, the PS4s remasters (Uncharted Collection, Journey, Grim Fandango HD, etc) don't count and neither do the PS4s timed exclusives (Rocket League, Axiom Verge, etc).

It's always entertaining trying to figure out what conditions people try to come up with when list warring.

 

[Acquiescence]

The PS4's line-up next year is astonishing. And then the harsh reality sets in as you realise a bunch of those games are going to be delayed to 2017. Gravity Rush 2, Horizon, maybe even The Last Guardian - it'll be a delayathon.

 

[I-hate-u]

Sony needs to focus on bringing us top tier gameplay focused exclusives like the Bloodbornes and Street fighters of the gaming world. I don't care if they only release 2 first party games per year if their quality is on par with BB.

 

[Gurish]

The PS4's line-up next year is astonishing. And then the harsh reality sets in as you realise a bunch of those games are going to be delayed to 2017. Gravity Rush 2, Horizon, maybe even The Last Guardian - it'll be a delayathon.

I think TLG is like the safe bet about being delayed.

Horizon will come out, the devs got a good record, don't remember any of their games being delayed, at least not the recent ones.

 

[Hermii]

Is he seriously calling The Last Guardian "new" at this point?

And no Horizon 2016 drop?

Have you played it before? No? Then it's new. Development troubles have nothing to do with it.

 

[Acquiescence]

I think TLG is like the safe bet about being delayed.

Horizon will come out, the devs got a good record, don't remember any of their games being delayed, at least not the recent ones.

Naughty Dog had a good record of not delaying their games too, until TLoU and Uncharted 4.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

Street Fighter is not first party, it's not even an exclusive.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I think TLG is like the safe bet about being delayed.

Horizon will come out, the devs got a good record, don't remember any of their games being delayed, at least not the recent ones.

Horizon is much more likely to be delayed imo.

 

[Gipsy Danger]

He's correct. Bloodborne was great and Until Dawn looks amazing but I have yet to play it. To be honest though there's only like 1 or 2 actual exclusives next year that I have any interest in. Horizon: Zero Dawn might be the only one since SFV and NMS are coming to PC. The rest look meh.

 

[julzillamilitia]

He was right. The only great Playstation exclusive I've played in the past five years or so has been Until Dawn, which I adore so hard you'd think it was some sort of puppy.

Street Fighter and No Man's Sky are not exclusives.

last... 5 years?

hahahahahahahaha dear me... did you not play last of us or bloodborne?

 

[Calvero]

tbh 2015 didn't feel all that strong to me either

 

[NIGHT-]

He's right, still enough the beat the competition @ same price level. Next year PlayStation will be a beast.

We hear this every year. A good bit of their lineup will by delayed.

Sonys exclusive output has been down right awful this gen.

 

[EatChildren]

2015 PlayStation 4 fucking sucked. Bloodborne was the only thing that blew me away. That and Tearaway, but I'd already played the latter on Vita (was still worth going through again). There was some great digital stuff, but the first party stuff for me was at best a brief diversion.

Looking forward to 2016. Until half the shit gets delayed.

 

[watdaeff4]

I dunno, I think it's fairly clear, especially in the case of Smash Bros and Bloodborne. They're funded, published and owned by their respective platform holders, so while they may have been developed externally, they're still first party games. It's not like those kind of deals are new, they've been around for forever. If Smash Bros and Bloodborne aren't first party games then Earthbound, Pokemon, PaRappa the Rapper and a shitload of other games aren't either.

Whereas games like Street Fighter V, Bayonetta 2, Dead Rising 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, etc. were only partially funded by first parties and/or are still owned by third parties, so they're third party exclusives.

I don't think we need any more labels, people try to make these things far more complicated than they are.

Agree about the needless nomenclature.

While I was going to buy a PS4 anyways, I knew I needed one to play Bloodborne and SFV.

That's all that matters

 

[B1gg_Randall]

Gravity Rush 2 next year will make it the best year this gen.

Spoiler

Plz no delay

Whoa! I need to watch some videos of this.

 

[Gurish]

Naughty Dog had a good record of not delaying their games too, until TLoU and Uncharted 4.

And Team Ico got a good record of not releasing a game for 10 years, what is another year to them?

We didn't see anything from this game since E3, and even than it felt like the old trailer demo, nothing too concrete, Horizon had a nice juicy reveal and lots of details (+another demo) afterwards , that's already much more of what we've seen from TLG.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

All i read was GT for next year, did not know this

 

[Conduit]

Definitely the weakest first-party out of the big three this year.

But these games are exclusives. Isn't that matter?

 

[slavesnyder]

Seems it did not hurt them.
If they deliver next year I can forgive.

 

[Gipsy Danger]

last... 5 years?

hahahahahahahaha dear me... did you not play last of us or bloodborne?

If he did then he obviously didn't like them. What's the problem? I didn't like TLoU at all. It happens.

 

[zsynqx]

If he did then he obviously didn't like them. What's the problem? I didn't like TLoU at all. It happens.

Sorry, I just wanted to use this gif

I think Sonys first party this gen has been pretty bad. Killzone was shit, Kanck was shit, Infamous was solid, Driveclub....well I didn't play it, The Order was shit, Bloodborne was good and Until Dawn was good. Not the most consistent publisher out there.

All will be forgiven in March though.

 

[julzillamilitia]

I think the term "second party exclusive" is very imporntant here. It's an important because it seperates the game from Sony produced first party titles. Another bloodborne could not possibly be made properly without From and Miyazaki. Unless you think Sony could produce a decent Bloodborn 2 by themselves.

That means Quantum Break is a third party exclusive because MS do not own Remedy.

If he did then he obviously didn't like them. What's the problem? I didn't like TLoU at all. It happens.

I'd rather suess spoke for himself about what he meant, rather than have someone else conjure up opinions for him.

 

[Eolz]

But these games are exclusives. Isn't that matter?

Uh? Aren't all first-party exclusives? Just saying they had both the least interesting ones and the most average ones in 2015.
Some of those aren't even exclusives anyway.

 

[Acquiescence]

And Team Ico got a good record of not releasing a game for 10 years, what is another year to them?

We didn't see anything from this game since E3, and even than it felt like the old trailer demo, nothing too concrete, Horizon had a nice juicy reveal and lots of details (+another demo) afterwards , that's already much more of what we've seen from TLG.

We haven't seen much of TLG since E3 because Shuhei literally said they can't show much of it for spoiler reasons. It's an incredibly story-orientated game, and Sony are hesitant to show too much of it for fear of giving too much away. I totally understand that.

Horizon is one of the most expensive productions Sony has invested in yet by all accounts. It's a big-budgeted game with a far bigger team working on it than TLG. It's also a new IP, which will suffer and get buried if it's released during the holiday season. It's absolutely ripe for a delay into the following year.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Bloodborne made 2015 for me. I'm happy.

I really don't think Horizon is going to make it out next year.

 

[Consumer]

I don't mind since I seldom play Ps4 these days and buy games several months after release, but I can see how others may be disappointed by 2015. On the plus side, though, we got several GOTY-worthy AAA games, so I'd call 2015 a win for us anyway.

As the OP states, 2016 is looking very good with upcoming titles. Surprised they didn't mention the Ratchet and Clank game; that's right up there with Uncharted 4 for me.

 

[Solrac]

Compared to other consoles ( included WiiU ) the catalog for christmas was a shame, not a single AAA exclusive, just a remastered and expansion...if this is what can offers the most popular console right now, then Im done.

 

[SURGEdude]

If Uncharted had made it and The Order hadn't sucked I'd say it would have been fine. One of my surprise top 10 this year Until Dawn went a long way to making me OK with their output.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Compared to other consoles ( included WiiU ) the catalog for christmas was a shame, not a single AAA exclusive, just a remastered and expansion...if this is what can offers the most popular console right now, then Im done.

Yes, lets pretend the upcoming lineup doesn't exist.

 

[Krystopher McConnor]

Well at least next year it will be the greatest line up in history.

Awh you believe the sales pitch, so cute

 

[black070]

One word - Bloodborne.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

It was hardly great last year either >_>

 

[Roufianos]

The quality and quantity of their exclusives has been a huge drop off from the latter PS3 years. I hope next year marks the turning point.

 

[black070]

It was hardly great last year either >_>

Spoiler

I actually loved Knack, come at me !

 

[ViciousDS]

Didn't they say this for 2014 too :l?

I get it takes a long while to make video games and rushing them is NEVER a good idea. But still, they could of did a bit more these past two years.

Considering Santa Monica's game was likely a 2015 title before it was canned and Uncharted 4 was originally coming out this year, they had a big game plain for 2015, it was just that plans fell flat (Uncharted 4 needing more time) or projects completely being thrown out the window (Santa Monica's new IP dying...RIP ).

2016 will be an amazing year for PS, as a lot is coming out.

First Party:
-Ratchet & Clank
-Uncharted 4
-Gravity Rush 2
-Last Guardian
-Horizon Zero Dawn
-Dreams
-(Likely)- Crash Bandicoot
-(Maybe)- Sony Bends New IP

Plus other exclusives/remasters:
-World of Final Fantasy
-Nier 2
-Persona 5 (PS3 Version coming too)
-Kingdom Hearts 2.8 HD
-Dragon Quest XI (JP)
-Dragon Quest Heroes 2 (JP & Likely NA/EU)
-Dragon Quest Builders (JP & Maybe NA/EU)
-Gravity Rush Remastered
-Street Fighter V (PC Version coming)
-No Mans Sky
-Rime
-Wild

How could you forget digimon!!!!!


Next year is going to hurt my wallet massively both systems have a ton of exclusives on the way and third party looks to be just as big.