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Project Scorpio supports FreeSync and next-gen HDMI
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with an amd apu?
No. Gsync is nvidia tech, the PS4 and Xbox have AMD gpus.
Zombie James
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Freesync specifically, no, but VRR is part of the HDMI 2.1 spec so TVs in the future will support the standard.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Fucking game changer!
100% preordering the second this thing goes live.
I'm glad MS is future proofing this thing as much as possible.
100% preordering the second this thing goes live.
I'm glad MS is future proofing this thing as much as possible.
Primethius
Banned
Yea, realistically, I don't see it getting much use within Scorpio. Both due to TVs not adopting it and then games requiring an unlocked FPS option.
Next gen it should start getting some meaningful traction on consoles.
With the Scorpio hitting in Holiday 2017, having the feature in place to support TVs dropping in 2018 is really nice. Will definitely be looking to upgrade my TV next year.
Games that seemingly drop frames will also see an advantage there because it'll just send frames to the TV when they're available with say a cap at 60fps so it won't be so glaringly ​obvious that the game is struggling.
Games that seemingly drop frames will also see an advantage there because it'll just send frames to the TV when they're available with say a cap at 60fps so it won't be so glaringly ​obvious that the game is struggling.
Sadly no. You HDTV/Monitor needs to have HDMI 2.1 as well. Those TVs most likely won't be out this year. But this is excellent news!
Edit:
Ooof, yeah good point since it's gonna be awhile before HDMI 2.1 is a standard sadly.
I wish we were there already.
Any AV receiver would need to be replaced as well unfortunately.
Maintenance
Member
Great news, one of the best features of the console, I was bummed when people said this wasn't happening, but fortunately now it is.
Nikodemos
Member
Wasn't this always the case? Sony view the Pro as a deluxe version of the PS4, whereas MS have pretty much always hinted at Scorpio being Xbone 1.5.
shira
Member
If Sony did this I could see them making one for PS4 but it'll probably end up being a Monitor company that makes gaming tv's or TV maker making Gamer branded TV's with a huge markup tax.
Considering most people use shitty post processing on TVs and most TV signals are at a fixed framerate, are TV manufacturers really interested in this? I can't see them implementing this as it would increase cost and very few customers would have a use for it.
its so funny to all of a sudden see Xbox fanboys scream in joy and celebration for freesync. When possibly most of them did not even know what it was or cared for it 2 hours ago. Before any more celebration goes on people need to read the fine print in the article,
"to see the benefit, you'll need to have a PC monitor - a 4K one preferably, though 1080p screens will work - and it needs to support FreeSync over HDMI. This limits the amount of potential screens as it's more frequently run via DisplayPort, a video output that is not supported by Scorpio."
Its gonna be years before TV manufacturers implement this if ever. Plus there are very few 4k Monitors that do freesync tru HDMI since most do it thru displayport. Plus pc monitors as far as ive heard, do not do HDR. Everybody calm down.
"to see the benefit, you'll need to have a PC monitor - a 4K one preferably, though 1080p screens will work - and it needs to support FreeSync over HDMI. This limits the amount of potential screens as it's more frequently run via DisplayPort, a video output that is not supported by Scorpio."
Its gonna be years before TV manufacturers implement this if ever. Plus there are very few 4k Monitors that do freesync tru HDMI since most do it thru displayport. Plus pc monitors as far as ive heard, do not do HDR. Everybody calm down.
This is like... the most important feature of the entire hardware as far as I'm concerned. The fact that it's compatible with Xbox 360 titles is so huge.
I can't wait to play Vanquish without screen tearing. Once HDMI2.1 is ratified and in OLED displays, I will absolutely buy a Scorpio.
The only thing missing from this reveal is OG Xbox emulation. I sincerely hope they get that running some day.
I can't wait to play Vanquish without screen tearing. Once HDMI2.1 is ratified and in OLED displays, I will absolutely buy a Scorpio.
The only thing missing from this reveal is OG Xbox emulation. I sincerely hope they get that running some day.
Such a great feature it really makes you feel like the Xbox 360 design philosophy that MS had is back for Scorpio after the enormous misfire that Xbox One was with its kinect and TV features.
If only Pro had this.
A mid gen refresh that doesn't really take advantage of any of the technologies that have become common since original console's launch is sort of disappointing when the only thing you get is upgrade in raw power.
If only Pro had this.
A mid gen refresh that doesn't really take advantage of any of the technologies that have become common since original console's launch is sort of disappointing when the only thing you get is upgrade in raw power.
StereoVsn
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Well, damn, this is actually quite good. It's certainly forward lookong and depending on implementation may help older games as well. All this newer tech though is starting to make me think that $449 or $499 may be the price and not $399.
I really hope Sony is taking notes for PS5.
I really hope Sony is taking notes for PS5.
CassidyIzABeast
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Glad I waited to upgrade
You think they'd implement HDMI 2.1 but not include this feature?
By the way, I really have to hand it to Microsoft. The Xbox brand wasn't appealing to me this generation, but they really stepped it up with a forward-thinking upgrade. This reminds me of how forward thinking OG Xbox and Xbox 360 were for their time. They lost that cutting-edge feel that they were known for when they released the Xbox One, but the Scorpio feels like return to form.
Theonik
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A correction. Freesync is just AMD's brand name for their certification of Adaptive Sync displays (and certification for working with their implementation)
If TVs decide to adopt VRR next year which is still up in the air they will probably go with their own implementations of it and not bother to have AMD's certification. Ironically AMD made Freesync to try and prevent precisely this situation.
Adaptive sync is really hard especially with audio being brought into the mix. Also contrary to popular belief an HDMI user does not need to implement the whole of the spec,
and there is huge leeway on the manner some parts are implemented.
Consoles pushing tech is always good. Why not get excited?
MisterXDTV
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No, HDMI is still 2.0 but some features of 2.1 can be added to 2.0 via firmware like GAME MODE VRR.
HDMI 2.1 has 48G bandwidth
HDMI 2.0 has 18G bandwidth
Scorpio and PS4 Pro are HDMI 2.0 obviously
benicillin
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The HDMI spec that would include Freesync hadn't even been revealed when the Pro came out, let alone when they were designing it.
Pro is as well, they are both 'half steps'. MS just has their eye a bit more on the future. They definitely have the superior half step box, for those into that sort of thing.
The good news is, the PS5 and other 'next gen' boxes proper should have more of a handle on these technologies, being in a more mature state by then
Thanks for the clarification. I am not a PC guy. Not down with the different brands of graphics cards and compatibility.
I love the futureproofing aspect of the inclusion. It's super smart.
But how do people rationalize this as an actual gamechanger? People will barely be able to see the benefits of this inclusion until we are deep into 2018. Not to mention that it actually requires buying a brand new TV.
And something tells me that owners of 4K / Freesync monitors don't really own them to hook up consoles for the most part, seeing as they are mostly sold to the enthusiast PC gaming crowd.
Still, interesting stuff and very forward-thinking.
But how do people rationalize this as an actual gamechanger? People will barely be able to see the benefits of this inclusion until we are deep into 2018. Not to mention that it actually requires buying a brand new TV.
And something tells me that owners of 4K / Freesync monitors don't really own them to hook up consoles for the most part, seeing as they are mostly sold to the enthusiast PC gaming crowd.
Still, interesting stuff and very forward-thinking.
Thanks you dark : )
Yeah. The hardware to implement variable refresh is an extra component and that is added cost. Freesync versions of monitors are more expensive than normal versions.
JayhawkerStL
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Your concern has been noted.
:rolleyes
It won't be years, and Scorpio isn't out until the end of this year either so pointing out that no TVs today support it is a bit redundant
MisterXDTV
Member
No, they will support HDMI Game Mode VRR in a couple of years
I for one will be using this feature and I knew what it was.
It's a console for the next couple of years, even if TV's don't come out with it until next year, it's a feature which is largely benefitial.
Why all concern trolling at good things.
MisterXDTV
Member
Exactly, HDMI Game Mode VRR can be added to PS4 Pro with a firmware upgrade...
But until there are TVs that support this, what's the point?
Pro obviously could not have had this since Scorpio is not even out yet and it was just revealed 2 months ago. But again, that is what MS got for waiting a year longer. Its apart of the HDMI standard by default in the roadmap.
So people trying to say they are disappointed because MS waited a year are getting these technologies because of that. So they should not be disappointed, even if its pointless right now, it won't be in 2 or 3 years, that's what futureproofing is
So who's alt is this?
We'll start seeing FreeSync compatible TVs as early as January next year since the HDMI 2.1 spec test will be released in the next couple months (Q2 2017).
I'm curious if Microsoft will include a 48G cable with the Scorpio since that is a requirement of the 2.1 spec.
It's nice to want things but it would be impossible for the Pro to have this given the timeframe of how/when the standard was finalized.
Also, next gen is when you are gonna see the actual big push for VRR hopefully since TVs and more monitors with HDMI2.1 will be out by then.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Why tell people to calm down? Including a feature to future proof a console for years after launch is a great thing and we, as consumers, should be encouraging that behavior.
This is a move that MS didn't really need to do but they did to provide an experience that will persist through the next TV hardware generation.
Considering that this box is being pitched to enthusiasts in the console space, nothing would stop them from buying a PC monitor to take advantage of the feature right now.
That being said, lack of support in TV's is a huge bummer. Once console players get woke to variable refresh and how it dramatically improves the gaming experience, it'll be considered a game changer.
wesleyshark
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Baleoce
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If someone wants to correct my understanding then feel free, and apologies if this isn't very coherent. But say you have a scorpio and a freesync enabled screen, is there potential here to forego a hard-capped fps? I know that essentially freesync means that the gpu tells the screen when to refresh so it all lines up with minimal input latency and no tearing, but would the games still have a hard-cap on what the max frame rate can be, or would that simply be redundant?
Or perhaps it's more difficult for the developers to implement as they have to consider conditions where people won't have freesync support? I guess I'm just trying to think of the difference in practicality between doing this on a PC compared to Scorpio, or if it actually matters at all.
Or perhaps it's more difficult for the developers to implement as they have to consider conditions where people won't have freesync support? I guess I'm just trying to think of the difference in practicality between doing this on a PC compared to Scorpio, or if it actually matters at all.
benicillin
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I would argue that that's not really true. This isn't them doing us a favor, this is them releasing a product compatible with the most recent spec of HDMI.
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