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Leave Rowenda Frankenstiner alone!Something tells me this dude lives in Germany, first name starts with an R, last name starts with an F.
Leave Rowenda Frankenstiner alone!Something tells me this dude lives in Germany, first name starts with an R, last name starts with an F.
They stopped issuing those in 2019.Well it's like the lawsuit Apple lost against Epic (and Google still facing). One can argue consoles are computers too - so yea, if this got any traction, we could be looking at the end of consoles in traditional sense.
I am not sure the lawsuit claims dating back to 2016 would quite work if that excuse applied. PSN game gift cards were still sold from 3rd party resellers back then too - I forgot when we lost those - but I was buying PSN DD games (and other cards) from Amazon a fair bit in the last decade.
I don’t have any real dog in this fight but that doesn’t really make sense
the reason we see more price sensitivity as it were from physical games is because they take up space, you get clearances because retailers are just trying to get the games off their shelves/out of their warehouses
Shows people know fuck all about these things.
The cut they're referring too that would in theory allow developers/publishers to have lower prices on content is the reason PlayStation can invest in content at all. And this is the same for Nintendo and Microsoft.
The cut that manufacturers historically took under SEGA and Nintendo meant developers got closer to 30% back than the 70% they get now. It was even worse because they controlled manufacturing of the cartridges also so developers couldn't try and source cheaper parts to make games cheaper to make.
Sony dropped this fee to 30% with the PlayStation and CD format which made developers a tonne of money and even meant that a game that sold 250,000 copies could be very profitable based on average development costs and team sizes at the time.
I haven't bought this argument from the beginning. Sony didn't make PlayStation to allow Microsoft to put Gamepass and the Windows Store on it, or the Nintendo e-shop, or Ubisoft+ or EA Access or the epic store or steam or GOG etc. and sell their content cheaper, thereby undercutting the platform owner. The very person that allowed you to make that money. Just because Steam can go as low as 10% doesn't mean Sony should allow everyone to have their stores and content for sale on their platform at a cheaper price because they bypass the 30% cut somehow.
This isn't a dominant leader thing either, Nintendo and Microsoft do the same. SEGA did the same before leaving the market. Google and Apple charge 30%.
If the console manufacturers had to allow companies to release their own stores or remove the 30% cut from all third party content and transactions, there would be no point in making consoles full stop. There is not enough profit in Sony first party to allow for the investment PlayStation needs.
Prices globally are very different for very different reasons. £70 is $85 or ¥13,000 JPY. Look at it like that and the UK gets the shit end of the stick. Hell this is one of the many reasons I prefer physical. Apart from certain things I can get my games from many retailers and they can be competitive there.
Microsoft are already removing major third party content from PlayStation in dribs and drabs. You start taking third party revenue away from everyone? You're going to create a huge mess. I have no issues with paying the price for something if I think the cost is justified. If not I just don't pay it. If I cant get what I want in one place I can always go to another. There's competition out there and I'm not forced to buy that product. You can wait till it's on sale. These download keys and codes have already been proven in many ways to be obtained illegally. You'd make a bigger problem from an existing problem.
Sony losing this court case would be an astronomical legal precedent because if Microsoft and Nintendo have to follow suit you'll see a real negative impact in the industry. As I say, Sony reduced the cut to 30% when they came into the industry in 1994 and it's been commonplace in many industries since. This would be a real can of worms.
There are games you can buy digital codes for PSN from different retailers too. There were even playstation humble bundles in the past so it must be possible in some form also, it just isn't done regularly like with steam. But just like steam it is locked to their ecosystem and they take a cut. Steam doesn't let developers generate unlimited keys and sell them on a third party site without taking their cut too.
Sony are protecting themselves from potential lost revenue. Imagine retailers buying bulk stock of games just to be undercut by digital. Now they have a bunch of physical games they can’t clear unless they are willing to lose money on. This will have an effect on them from buying future physical games and Sony would be losing money out on.It's not Sony's job to protect retailers though.
Digital game prices should be just as price sensitive as physical games are.
What a waste of tax payer pounds.
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Sony facing $7.9 bln mass lawsuit over PlayStation Store prices
Sony must face a mass lawsuit worth up to 6.3 billion pounds ($7.9 billion) over claims the PlayStation maker abused its dominant position leading to unfair prices for customers, a London tribunal ruled on Tuesday.www.reuters.com
The codes you are referring to were once part of bundles. There is no way for publishers/developers to voluntarily generate keys for their Playstation games that can then be distributed and sold outside of PSN.
Sony are protecting themselves from potential lost revenue. Imagine retailers buying bulk stock of games just to be undercut by digital. Now they have a bunch of physical games they can’t clear unless they are willing to lose money on. This will have an effect on them from buying future physical games and Sony would be losing money out on.
Edit: and actually they are protecting retailers. If they didn’t, the Best Buy pass would still be a thing.
Not true, Epic has better discounts than Steam and GoG.If they want to go after the 30% cut then the only people that will benefit are the publishers. We've seen enough evidence of that on the Epic Games Store. The Lower cut has not resulted in lower prices for the consumer, if anything some of the worst offenses in terms of new game pricing take place on that store.
Not true, Epic has better discounts than Steam and GoG.
Not sure how key generation worked - but the codes were absolutely sold for arbitrary games (no bundles) all the way up to 2019 (see just above your post).The codes you are referring to were once part of bundles. There is no way for publishers/developers to voluntarily generate keys for their Playstation games that can then be distributed and sold outside of PSN.
I mean much as I have no love lost for Epic over anything they do - they were the key player in opening this floodgate, but yes - if legal precedent gets upheld against consoles, Nintendo and MS will be next in line - 100%, doesn't matter who litigates it.Exactly, I did expand on my post but decided to not post it, but I essentially said if this wins out then there is nothing stopping them going after Microsoft and Nintendo (even though they say the console market is only Sony and Microsoft)
Apple already lost that battle (though I guess they're still appealing).Mobile phones are computers too, so where would that leave Google and Apple?
Well it's like the lawsuit Apple lost against Epic (and Google still facing). One can argue consoles are computers too - so yea, if this got any traction, we could be looking at the end of consoles in traditional sense.
But here is the thing - you can play same games on multiple platforms. Some of the games are not available on some platforms but that - essentially - does not make it different from PC stores exclusives (inability to play AW2 in Steam for example).The entire point of a console is it that its a device used to play proprietary software
I think it's absurd that these companies are able to basically hold a monopoly in the digital space. MS has tried multiple times doing that with Windows aswell but failing. It's way overdue that modern consumer laws are also applied to modern means of distribution.
Then they go out of business and no more Playstation.LEts hope it goes through and they get walloped, greedy cunts
But here is the thing - you can play same games on multiple platforms.
The same way the EU high court deemed Apple's App Store a monopoly and forced them to allow alternative stores. Only a matter of time before it happens to consoles aswell.Most games can be bought from PlayStation, Xbox or Steam. Many others can also be bought from GOG or Epic. I don't see how there is a monopoly in the digital space considering the amount of competition.
that won’t be a good thingThe same way the EU high court deemed Apple's App Store a monopoly and forced them to allow alternative stores. Only a matter of time before it happens to consoles aswell.
That alone should be a lawsuit to be honest. fucking thieves. 100$ CAD to play online on your console every year !! fuck off.Amend that complaint and include claims for the new cost of PS+ essential. Absolute rip off and kind of forced on us mid generation because of their dominant position.
100% . This needs more visibility, the scumbags at Sony also stopped offering promotions for Essential users (In Canada at least) you could only take advantage of a small discount if you choose to upgrade to the other two tiers.That alone should be a lawsuit to be honest. fucking thieves. 100$ CAD to play online on your console every year !! fuck off.
my playstation will never be a PS+ member ever. stop making single player games only. as a matter of fact I do not want to give Sony any money to the point I do not even buy games day one. just used off someone else. this is how much I do not like the company when it comes to management.
The same way the EU high court deemed Apple's App Store a monopoly and forced them to allow alternative stores. Only a matter of time before it happens to consoles aswell.
But it's not. With Steam you can purchase pretty much every game sold on the platform without actually doing so on their storefront.
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That isn't the case on Playstation and people should welcome the opportunity to have more options when it comes to how and where they purchase their digital games.
You can buy games on key sites etc.What is it you can do with Xbox outside of buying gift cards for specific games?
You can buy games on key sites etc.
For Xbox in key sites i got:
Call Of Duty MW 3 - £35
Lords of the Fallen £40
Fifa 24 - £40
Mortal Kombat 1 £40
Total for day one for each game: £155
Included in each purchase was points to my account cor further discounts for example Alan Wake 2 is £40
There is no way to do this in PSN as they block third party sellers so it would of cost me around £260 for the same games …
Edit: not including also day one games on Gamepass
I love my PlayStation but I’m finding more buying third party on Xbox cause i save £20-30 each time plus PlayStations refund policy is awful.Ok. I do think the gray markets are more of an unintended consequence of allowing keys into the wild, but I guess that's a fair point either way.
I love my PlayStation but I’m finding more buying third party on Xbox cause i save £20-30 each time plus PlayStations refund policy is awful.
Forgot to add i got AC Mirage for series X at £25
I dunno have you seen the Black Friday sale on psn vs Xbox and other brands?"I don't like the price of something, therefore it deserves a lawsuit".
I terms of RRP's? He's correct.
The issue that is highlighted in the OP is the fact that Playstation customers don't have the option of getting keys for games from 3rd party storefronts, the pricing itself isn't the problem here.
I dunno have you seen the Black Friday sale on psn vs Xbox and other brands?![]()
Bungie catching a stray lolStill a better deal than Bungie
Wasn't meant to. I'm just frustrated by their crappy sale. Several things I was hoping to pick up end of year... Hopefully they do a big end of year sale and it's better.And that's got nothing to do with what I said or the context of the discussion.
i'd rather pay more to not deal with their trash software.Not true, Epic has better discounts than Steam and GoG.
Charge whatever they want through ps store or Xbox store but let retailers sell the same games digitally too. Win / winRelated or not, I don't know. But companies used to claim digital sales were priced higher to protecti brick and motor stores. There is really no excuse now for Physical copies to be cheaper than digital prices. But also, does Sony control what other companies charge for their own games? Maybe I am misunderstanding this entire law suit. DLC and Addons aren't the only thing being impacted here.
Isn't it standard? I mean...when you buy retail products (physical copies) don't they also get a part of each sale?She says the company abused its dominant position by requiring digital games and add-ons to be bought and sold only via the PlayStation Store, which charges a 30% commission to developers and publishers.