ughkingdom
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I'm still on a i5 3750k. What should I be waiting for?
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Rumor: Desktop Coffee Lake CPUs to be available Oct 5th
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I have a Core i5-3570k (OC to 4.2GHz), 16GB RAM and a R9 280X.
I'm waiting for benchmarks of course, as well as information about the Z390 chipset (since Z370 is just a Z270 motherboard with a different surround on the socket), but for me it'll be either a Ryzen 7 1700, Core i5-8600K or Core i7-8700K, depending on cost, as at the same time I'll look to upgrade to a GTX 1070.
FPS murderer
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Nervous of what? You have a 8 core, 16 threads good CPU man. Gaming isn't everything, besides overclock that mutha to 3.9 - 4.0 GHz and you're good. Be happy with that platform, besides your AM4 Mobo is good for the next Zen2, 3 etc, unlike Intel, you won't be changing mobos when better cpus cine from AMD.
I wouldn't count on AM4 going beyond Zen 3 or 4, sooner or later DDR5 is gonna happen and a new platform will be needed.
EDIT:
About the 1230 MT score for the 8700K on Cinebench, if I'm understanding this right, computerbase is mentioning that this lower than expected score is due to a non-working turbo in a BIOS that isn't fully ready yet.
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-09/intel-core-i7-8700k-benchmarks-turbo/
Ghost_Messiah
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Thanks for the responses guys! Going to respond to you all individually:
That's what I wanted to know dude, just a rough timeframe when I should look for a new gaming laptop to potentially upgrade. So early 2018 then. Thanks for answering my question.
Ah okay, so my current processor is decent for now but is going to be out-shined by upcoming higher-end CPUs. To be clear, I'm aware it's impossible to upgrade my laptop; I was considering buying an entirely new machine in around 6 months. Your tech insight is great however.
Ah, thanks man. This is the second time I've heard this on NeoGAF actually; that my machine is very decent but the GPU is on the low-end of what's potentially available and realistically that would need to be upgraded via a new machine to make the jump worth it. I'll keep a look-out for a higher-end Nvidia GPU when I look at new machines.
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Thanks everyone. You've pretty much answered my pressing questions. So I take it Q1 2018 is when we'll realistically see mobile versions of these CPUs? So keep an eye out early 2018 then?
That's what I wanted to know dude, just a rough timeframe when I should look for a new gaming laptop to potentially upgrade. So early 2018 then. Thanks for answering my question.
Ah okay, so my current processor is decent for now but is going to be out-shined by upcoming higher-end CPUs. To be clear, I'm aware it's impossible to upgrade my laptop; I was considering buying an entirely new machine in around 6 months. Your tech insight is great however.
Ah, thanks man. This is the second time I've heard this on NeoGAF actually; that my machine is very decent but the GPU is on the low-end of what's potentially available and realistically that would need to be upgraded via a new machine to make the jump worth it. I'll keep a look-out for a higher-end Nvidia GPU when I look at new machines.
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Thanks everyone. You've pretty much answered my pressing questions. So I take it Q1 2018 is when we'll realistically see mobile versions of these CPUs? So keep an eye out early 2018 then?
You really should just ignore Coffee Lake for now, and set your sights on Volta. By the time Volta is available in laptops, Coffee Lake will have already taken over as the default CPU line in every laptop. So the CPU side will take care of it self, while you wait for the GPUs.
When it comes to gaming laptops, you always base your upgrade path around a new GPU. A laptop with a faster CPU, but the same level of GPU, is a net loss.
Chance Hale
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I know nothing about cpus, would the i7 be a safe long term replacement for my decrepit i53570k?
Edit: nevermind already asked above sorry
Edit: nevermind already asked above sorry
3570k is anything but decrepit. It can be out-benched these days of course, but decrepit is not the adjective.
Ghost_Messiah
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Ah interesting! Super interesting actually. Yeah apologies but I'm pretty much a total tech noob as of late. I used to have my finger on the pulse years ago but I've lost track since then, so your tech knowledge and advice is fantastic. I'll definitely follow your word and keep an eye out for Volta in terms of upgrading to a better GPU. Sounds like a jump to even a Coffee Lake i7 just wouldn't be worth it without a mega-upgrade to the GPU too, if I'm reading you correctly.
When's Volta rumoured to be dropping out of interest? Next year?
Volta is definitely next year most likely.
Depends if you have the GPU that demands strong CPU, e.g. a GTX1080
The bolded is correct.
The release date is up in the air, but the laptops usually arrive 2-3 months after the GPUs have their desktop launches.
Chance Hale
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I have a 980ti right now and waiting until next year to upgrade that. Just not sure if it's finally time to upgrade the rest of the kit because I've never followed anything other than gpus.
I just remember the last time I asked last year most said not to bother and I know I've had multiple gpus in between so in comparison it's very outdated. Is there a good article to read on how all this tech works together and why cpus need go be upgraded so infrequently in comparison?
Especially given I have a Rift, 4K tv(Was interested for UHD film before games), and 144hz monitor. I realize despite my love of high frame rates and so on I have no idea how any of it works lol.
civilstrife
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I like to Stream VR games and my 3570k isn't up to the task a lot of the time. Will one of these be a good solution or should I go for a Ryzen?
If you are on a tight budget and want a good all round CPU then Ryzen is very good. If you want to have he best frame rate then the Intel CPU's are the best.
Myself I upgraded from a 3570k to a 1600x and couldn't be happier
I'd wait for final pricing and benchmarks, it shouldn't be too long now.
llien
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Besides AMD Ryzen kicking major ass, your mainboard will be still relevant in 2020.
The irrational part of my brain wants me to upgrade to the 8700k from my 5820k mainly so I can take advantage of higher clocked memory.. It impossible to go above 2666MHz with my CPU and motherboard right now without it failing to post. The higher clocks are nice too, can only push mine to 4.3GHz now.
But I should really just hold out at least another generation.
But I should really just hold out at least another generation.
StereoVsn
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You would get a ton more mileage out of buying a better video card then replacing that CPU. You should be old for another couple years easily (maybe one depending if you really want those high frames).
Crimsonclaw111
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C'mon give me a reason to upgrade from 3570k + 8gb RAM
dr_rus
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8GBs of RAM have had plenty of reasons to be upgraded for more than a year now.
Crimsonclaw111
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I'm well aware, but I'm not buying more DDR3 plus my PC was my first ever built (no low profile ram).
opticalmace
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What's the rest of your system like (including monitor)? You'd assuredly get a lot more out of an upgrade there... unless the rest of your system is insanely good for whatever reason.
I'm in th same boat, I was on 2x8GB DDR3 and then one stick died and now it would just feel really dumb to spend money on old 1333Mhz DDR3 RAM...
I'd probably take this as an excuse to switch the whole MB+RAM+CPU combo.
Dude, your x99 uses quad-channel memory.
dr_rus
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X99 memory controller has significantly worse timings though. It's part of the reason why top 1150 CPUs are noticeably faster than both 2011-3 and 2066 CPUs sometimes. And CPU memory bandwidth rarely has any effect on games performance.
But it remains to be seen how 6C CFL will fare with timings.
What's the rest of your system like (including monitor)? You'd assuredly get a lot more out of an upgrade there... unless the rest of your system is insanely good for whatever reason.
1440p 165Hz monitor with a 1080Ti (which will most likely be replaced with the next Ti card). Like apart from that GPU upgrade later on, the CPU and RAM combo is what sometimes can hold me back in CPU intensive games where I want as many frames as possible.
Like mentioned, quad channel or not I could get better memory performance from newer stuff. And while that might not give me a big boost in most stuff, there's still performance to be had in some games that do like higher memory clocks. Like I said, irrational and I should really just hold out longer.
Some more motherboards, this time from MSI: https://videocardz.com/72511/msi-z370-motherboards-pictures-and-possible-pricing
Also perhaps of interest of those doing new builds for this, GTX 1070 Ti might be on the way: https://www.techpowerup.com/237016/nvidia-readying-a-geforce-gtx-1070-refresh-gtx-1070-ti
Also perhaps of interest of those doing new builds for this, GTX 1070 Ti might be on the way: https://www.techpowerup.com/237016/nvidia-readying-a-geforce-gtx-1070-refresh-gtx-1070-ti
Darkstorne
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Wow, poor AMD. That's going to hurt if it simply replaces the current 1070 and maintains the price.
If Techspot did the same memory bandwidth test as before but comparing x97 with x99, the quad-channel should be superior.
https://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html
dr_rus
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In bandwidth. But as I've said it has considerably worse latencies, and in the end latencies are more important for gaming than CPU memory bandwidth. Hence why Skylake-X tend to loose to Skylake-S for example.
For Skylake-X, L3 seems to be the key culprit for games as 7900X outperforms 7700K slightly but the lower SKUs perform worse.
I suspect this is only for prebuilt PCs
They will be. That list looks like it only shows ATX, but they'll definitely do Micro ATX and ITX boards too. Since it's just a refresh, I'd wager all motherboard manufacturers will have the majority of their Z270 range available as Z370 versions.
Just the motherboards listing posted here:
There is a new rumor about the future, Z390 chipset (which will be released next year) will support 8C/16T CPUs.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1434114
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Clock speeds dropped from previous gen. Makes sense considering the additional cores.
I wonder how much better in gaming these will be than the much more affordable Ryzen 5 1600 and Ryzen 7 1700 processors.
Put in another 8 GB and you're good to go for at least another year or two.
We're starting to see more "triple-A" titles take advantage of more cores, so you will want to upgrade to a 6 or 8 core CPU eventually!
Any i7 processor from the last few generations paired with a 1080 or better will get you there pretty easily. Obviously won't be maxing out every game at 144 FPS, but you'll definitely be doing better than 60.
I wonder how much better in gaming these will be than the much more affordable Ryzen 5 1600 and Ryzen 7 1700 processors.
Put in another 8 GB and you're good to go for at least another year or two.
We're starting to see more "triple-A" titles take advantage of more cores, so you will want to upgrade to a 6 or 8 core CPU eventually!
Any i7 processor from the last few generations paired with a 1080 or better will get you there pretty easily. Obviously won't be maxing out every game at 144 FPS, but you'll definitely be doing better than 60.
dr_rus
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Sweclockers reporting that Z370 motherboards also won't be backwards-compatible with earlier processors. So on the off-chance you've just fried your motherboard and thought you could do an upgrade in steps with new mobo and existing CPU, well, you can't.
The testing performed so far allowed the Z370 board to boot up with a Pentium-G CPU and it crashed only during GPU initialization. This is a case of BIOSes not being final most likely. Technically, there are no reasons why 300 series can't support all 1151 CPUs.
MagicWithEarvin
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Welp. Time to upgrade my i7-4790k! It has served me well.
Nydus
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Depends if the ihs is soldered or not. If it is not, the heat output while overclocking will be very hard to handle :/
opticalmace
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Supposedly at stock the 8700k can do 4 cores at 4.4ghz. I presume you already have an i7 (4/8)? I'd expect at least a few hundred mhz of OC ability on top of that, though we won't know for sure for a couple weeks.
I'm still rocking my i7 2600k, so I'm thinking it's way past time for me.
Ack, I'd just finished the outline of an i7 7700k build over the weekend, upgrading from a 2009 Core 2 Duo laptop. Looks like I'm better off waiting for a couple of weeks for some motherboard reviews to filter through before taking the plunge on the 8700k.