Snake29
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Im expecting 24tf and at least 120gb of ram.
Meh...low...
Im expecting 24tf and at least 120gb of ram.
Im expecting 24tf and at least 120gb of ram.
Thank you kind sirThat's because you are a wally
Yeaaah... gonna need more than rumours to believe either. Especially Bluepoint.- Platinum Games
-Blue Point Games
Price difference is minimal. Here is another example:
Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe
Given the mass production and adoption rate of these consoles, cost will continuously go down. I would highly be surprised if either Microsoft/Sony continue to use a spindle HDD.
? Eh, the biggest difference is that the Scorpio devkit has double the ram of the retail kit, at 24 GB GDDR5.It's possible. Biggest difference with Scorpio Devkit and final console was storage, could be the case here too. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Oh good! I love images with zero context attached to them! You do know the first pic is almost 5 years old, no?
In computer graphics, ray tracing is a rendering technique for generating an image by tracing the path of light as pixels in an image plane and simulating the effects of its encounters with virtual objects.What is raytracing again? And what are some modern games that make the best use of it. My next-gen terminology has gotten rusty in the past year or so.
I'm not sure what the point here.Price difference is minimal. Here is another example:
Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe
Given the mass production and adoption rate of these consoles, cost will continuously go down. I would highly be surprised if either Microsoft/Sony continue to use a spindle HDD.
I'm not sure what the point here.
1TB HDD is less than $30.
1TB SDD is more than $130.
There is a $100 difference between them and memory chips are not going down... it is even possible to SDD go up.
Microsoft is rolling in the cash on XBL, Game Pass and the usage of Azure to store data and host servers for gaming companies. They wouldn't have a problem selling the hardware at cost or at a small loss.
Because its a waste of resources that could otherwise go towards a better memory configuration or beefier GPU, its benefits are just not worth the current cost
A built in super fast 100GB cache only accessible to developers would have all the benefits without incurring in the ridiculous cost of 1TB nvme.
I rather have 32GB of super fast ram than 16GB + nvme
Even SSD pricing its not suitable for consoles, by the time PS6 they might replace HDD
Edit: could they use 100GB of nvram in the diagram you posted and have it be significantly cheaper than 1TB?
A hybrid HDD-nvram setup would be the best compromise, granted initial load times would be long but you could always switch the hdd for a ssd on your own to minimize load times
Im amazed people are still ignorant on gaming costs and small profit margins.
It's 2019 not 2001. MS losimg 1 billion I. 2001 is 3-4 billion now. So considering that they lost more than that in 20p1, and if they wanted to try and have a big opening ahead of the opponent the first year they are going to spend around a billion in marketing, 2 billion in partnerships, exclusives, and timed exclusives, a billion in services, and likely 1-2 billion in hardware losses the first year or two.
If you think any of that is feasible you're insane.
I tbink MS will have surprises for hardware due to MS' partners and software expertise but not the rumor in this thread. They would have to spend an unnecessary amount of money just to see if they can make up the hardware losses this would generate. Not to mention production costs.
Only way I see this is of Microsoft gets an unprecedented partnership with a vendor that arranged some deal for MS to get these rumored hardware specs for cheap.
Not likely.
I don't trust every rumor and/or leak but i'd like that too. I'll just try to hang on to my PS3 and PC with a GTX 660 Ti (3GB) and i5 3570K until the specs are final for the next gen.From the rumor:
crazy shits
Yeaaah... gonna need more than rumours to believe either. Especially Bluepoint.
Although Platinum is kinda believable. They already have a good working relationship with Microsoft. (insert sarcasm tag here)
So NVMe aren't already mass produced? The next consoles will not have an SSD when you can get a 1TB HDD off the shelf for ~$35Waste of resources? The same thing could be said about 32GB of GDDR6 if the GPU isn't fast enough to take advantage of it for gaming?. Balance is also important why have 32GB of GDDR6 if it's being held back by the rest of the system?
Also 1TB of NVMe is $169 ( $144 sale) now but a die shrink & mass production will drop that price & there is also the benefits of having a smaller console if they remove the HDD .
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07J2Q4SWZ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ct1000p1ssd8
8k 120 fps
The way MS treated Platinum the last couple years....you sure about that?
Meh, 16K 240 fps or they are half assing it.
So NVMe aren't already mass produced? The next consoles will not have an SSD when you can get a 1TB HDD off the shelf for ~$35
So you missed "insert sarcasm tag here"?The way MS treated Platinum the last couple years....you sure about that?
And if you look at the consoles history, the devs always primarily wanted more memory - no one complaines about low-mid range GPUs, tablet-grade CPU, lack of optical disc space, too exotic architecture and so on, it's always been all about the memory. So I'd say the more the better, ditch expensive GDDR6 and stay with GDDR5 if required, just boost the clocks for more bandwidth.
AMD Navi GPUs don’t have to be tied to HBM2 it “can also work very well with GDDR6”
"But we are fully committed to HBM and we’re going to be fully committed to GDDR6, and let the best solution win." -Scott Herkelman, VP Radeon Gaming
Holy shit this stuff got cheap fast. I swear it was like $500 just last year!?!Waste of resources? The same thing could be said about 32GB of GDDR6 if the GPU isn't fast enough to take advantage of it for gaming?. Balance is also important why have 32GB of GDDR6 if it's being held back by the rest of the system?
Also 1TB of NVMe is $169 ( $144 sale) now but a die shrink & mass production will drop that price & there is also the benefits of having a smaller console if they remove the HDD .
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07J2Q4SWZ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ct1000p1ssd8
I agree with you, but logically I don't see it happening. I also do not see a $60 1TB NVMe happening either, that's years away. But, it's also one of those things that I would be pleasantly surprised about.The benefits of a $60 1TB NVMe in a new console out weigh the benefits of having a $35 or even a $10 1TB HDD
Next Xbox ( the premium model) will probably be $500AMD has expressed that Navi will either be using HBM or GDDR6. From the pcgamesn article:
I have my doubts that $400 Navi-based consoles will even match an OC'd RTX 2060 6GB, let alone the RTX 2080 with it's "paltry" 8GB GDDR6. So they should be ok with 16GB GDDR6 and maybe 1-2GB DDR3/DDR4 for the OS to use for certain background functions like the PS4 Pro has.
You really missed the sarcasm tag? lol.
I agree with you, but logically I don't see it happening. I also do not see a $60 1TB NVMe happening either, that's years away. But, it's also one of those things that I would be pleasantly surprised about.
AMD has expressed that Navi will either be using HBM or GDDR6. From the pcgamesn article:
I have my doubts that $400 Navi-based consoles will even match an OC'd RTX 2060 6GB, let alone the RTX 2080 with it's "paltry" 8GB GDDR6. So they should be ok with 16GB GDDR6 and maybe 1-2GB DDR3/DDR4 for the OS to use for certain background functions like the PS4 Pro has.
32K1000FPS super slow mo with 96 GB GDDR7 generating 2.1 Yottaflops.Meh, 16K 240 fps or they are half assing it.
Maybe, but you are talking about a company that does not mind revising their hardware every couple years.Holding on to old tech can cost you more than taking a up front loss for new tech .
(I'll be back I have some new PS5 VR controller patents to dig through)
The thing is for all the jokes,
Sony:
PS1 - 3MB
PS2 - 36MB (12x more than PS1 )
PS3 - 512MB (14x more than PS2)
PS4 - 8192MB (16x more than PS3)
PS5 - ?????
Microsoft:
Xbox - 64MB
360 - 522MB (approx. 8x more than Xbox)
One - 8224MB (approx. 16x more than 360)
Xbox 4 - ?????
I remember how big of a hit that was! ...I totally bought oneGuys what if the NVMe SSD is an optional expansion slot you have to buy separately. N64 ram paks here we come!!
Haha me too. Got the Donkey Kong 64 bundle that came with one. Good times.I remember how big of a hit that was! ...I totally bought one
Technological advancement is exponential by nature, so to see this kind of growth in such a short time span is not unheard of as the windows of advancement continue to shorten. But they would seem to be alienating a lot of markets who do not have access to the consistent Internets...As someone who follows video game news but knows little about the technology under the hood (other than basic cpu, gpu, ram, storage, etc.), all of these streaming expectations just don't make sense to me. It was only a few years ago where just requiring a constant internet connection was deemed unacceptable to many because of internet access concerns. It just seems like a big stretch that in 5-6 years we not only improved bandwidth enough for constant access, but also to stream high end processing without materially screwing up the game with lag. But again, I am just a lay person without expertise, so what do I know really?
I came home with a fresh copy of Perfect Dark! Only to find it was a very expensive demo unless I shelled out another (What was it? $30 $40?)...Haha me too. Got the Donkey Kong 64 bundle that came with one. Good times.
I get that. I'm not really questioning the technology to allow it, just the means of delivery. Again, I am not savvy on that part at all. I'm just looking at it from the vantage point of not seeing all the existing delivery infrastructure massively changed.Technological advancement is exponential by nature, so to see this kind of growth in such a short time span is not unheard of as the windows of advancement continue to shorten. But they would seem to be alienating a lot of markets who do not have access to the consistent Internets...