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[Ray Down]

I fear for Platinum's future.

They need some help.

 

[Omegabalmung9]

Kamiya walks into Sony HQ and says "I got an idea for Lair 2"

I would totally buy that game lol.

 

[Rad-]

There it is. Im sure that the deal changed and that whatever milestones they had internally were scrapped in favor of going all in on multiplayer. Something that Platinum had no experience working on. They work themselves to the bone trying to meet microsofts incredibly stupid goals and when they cant they get cut off.

Let's be honest. The co-op was the only good sounding thing about the game. It looked fairly generic other wise.

 

[D i Z]

I agree with the idea that a game should be cancelled rather than to be shipped broken and sold for $60, yes.

Scalebound though? Platinum games aren't usually broken at launch. Inclined to think Microsoft probably wronged Platinum in some way with this game and then couldn't ship it

I'm more inclined to believe that this was one for the lost cause pile, and all eyes on the project knew that it was a wash. Pumping more money into a studio flailing with a concept mired in mediocrity isn't going to produce a master piece, nor a return on investment. Activision knows this all too well.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Japanese AAA games are dying. It's sad to see.

They've been dying for a long while. A lot of the most prominent and hyped up ones, (outside of GAF), are very influenced by typically western game design.

 

[Bronetta]

Yet, here we are bemoaning how terrible Microsoft is to cancel a project that wasn't working out. Did Sony not have to gut an expensive project at SSM that wasn't working out? Obviously, this isn't a 1-to-1 situation as Playstation 4 is in an enviable position from both a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party viewpoint, but the principle remains the same. Projects get cancelled, and sometimes, they need too.

The big reason SSM's project was cancelled was because of Destiny, the same reason why Activision Blizzard's own Project Titan was cancelled. With the Bungie+Activision teamup, most publishers didnt think itd be worthwhile trying to compete with Destiny in the MMO shooter space.

 

[LostDonkey]

Well shit.

I was really looking forward to it.

 

[Servbot24]

Who cares about idiots. We have the right to speculate whatever we want, as long as we make it clear we are speculating.

But why would you choose to knowingly build a world of delusion for yourself?

 

[butman]

Sad for xb users.
Can there be less than 20 games of japanese developers for the Xbone?

 

[Bgamer90]

I'm worried for Platinum's future.

Same.

MS better have a good amount of titles set to show off alongside Scorpio.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

xbox gamers are going to be very sensitive for a while ... it was one exclusive we had that was different than the other AAA.
Well even for PC gamers too as it was going to be available on both!

this truly saddens me....

If MS tries to bandaid by playing CG trailers of new games, i wont buy it. They did that before when the developer didnt even know about the trailer.

sigh.....

 

[Afro]

What are the Xbone exclusives for '17 now? Sea of Thieves and what else?

 

[MBS]

So I take it you didn't care for Bayonetta 2?

That was Wii U only, thus irrelevant for me and the other 85% of the gaming world.

 

[Neonep]

The bright side is that I don't have to save money to buy a X1 any more.

Same here.

 

[Koobion]

Worst console in modern history at this point.

 

[Jb]

Souls games aren't open world so much as several incredibly linear and tightly designed levels that're interconnected with each other, certainly not open world in the sense of what people typically mean. Like having villages with roaming npcs. Hell Souls npcs don't even roam.

Wow I don't remember seeing this footage.
Fuck this is such a punch in the gut

Obviously the project might have been completely fucked and non-salvageable, but Scalebound was the xbox exclusive that interested me the most.

 

[Hexa]

Microsoft, take notes! Their exclusives still look abysmal.

I don't want to get into list wars but that is an awful comparison. Better would be conference comparison.

WWS Games announced by Sony at E3 2014:
Entwined ✓
Bloodborne ✓
LittleBigPlanet 3 ✓

Though they were in cruise mode at that conference and didn't reveal much lol.
But overall they have a pretty good track record with releasing all their games they announce.

 

[Bornstellar]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

 

[Zedark]

Who is the head of MS studio and publishing currently?

Spencer is head of MS Studios, Shannon Loftis is general manager of first party publishing (which may include third parties working on first party IP?).

 

[bwakh]

Microsoft, take notes! Their exclusives still look abysmal.

Happy to see so many Japanese developers.

 

[rocketskates]

Kamiya walks into Sony HQ and says "I got an idea for Lair 2"

The one thing we can confirm is that Platinum will never work with Microsoft again.

Exactly. Look at the Xenosaga games after Xenogears.

The current status of this game will never come out but those wanting to see some form of it released, as a "spiritual" reimagining, however likely it is, better hope Nintendo or Sony want it to happen.


As my other post said, now we play the waiting game to see KH3 cancelled on the One for the west.

 

[Alchemy]

And now the only XBO game I'm looking forward to is fucking Voodoo Vince. What a world.

 

[SuperDowns]

Hmmm Platinum is not exactly knocking it out of the park anymore.

 

[stan423321]

But why would you choose to knowingly build a world of delusion for yourself?

The alternative is purposefully avoiding building anything.

 

[HowardRoark]

Wow I remembered a tweet I saw from him and found it. He saw it coming.

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/626385177317478400?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Seemed really pissed at MS.

Guys, he's quoting another tweet (everything after the RT). And in his usual troll self, he's saying "the state of the game is better than the state of your life." This tweet is proof of nothing.

 

[Gai Murakumo]

What are the Xbone exclusives for '17 now? Sea of Thieves and what else?

Halo Wars 2 and Crackdown 3. I guess they are not fully exclusive since they will be on PC as well.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

They were teasing multiplayer at TGS 2014, a few months after the game was revealed. I have a feeling that Kamiya may have hinted at multiplayer even earlier, but don't really feel like looking stuff up.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/19/tgs-2014-scalebound-developer-teases-multiplayer

I personally think Kamiya cursing at Microsoft had to do with auxiliary details (which you would think MS has more control over to begin with), like the marketing or presentations. He once openly criticized the art of MS's official site for the game.

It just feels like the cancellation is due to PG find out they can't handle this project anymore so they have to give up.

 

[Mufausa The 3rd]

This makes no sense and RE7, Yooka Laylee, For Honor and Tekken 7 aren't even exclusive. Weird post.

From what I recall they have have exclusive content only on PS4. (For the time being)

 

[Rad-]

Worst console in modern history at this point.

This whole gen is just horrible. Worst gen I have been through and I've played games since NES. Can't wait until few years and hopefully things get better again.

 

[Effect]

No. The tweet has nothing to do with that it's baseless speculation.

Even if the tweet was about something else the theory that Microsoft would have pushed the game into a new direction and that caused problems isn't unfounded. It happen before with them and their exclusives. It would also account for the change the game went through from it's original reveal to it's new showing in 2016 and Microsoft's focus.

 

[EvB]

What is this even supposed to mean?

This was some random tweet from someone

Better than ur life is Kamiya's response

 

[Theorry]

Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
My take on all this, and I've been seeing this for a while, is that Microsoft is transitioning all their games to the 'live service' model.

Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
Basically Microsoft want to have their games emulate what Minecraft has been able to do.
Long lifecycle, large user base, Increased spend.

Daniel Ahmad ‏@ZhugeEX
Microsoft's future direction is about being able to offer the Xbox games and live services on multiple devices that run Windows 10.

 

[Athreous]

Kinect almost useless, no new games use it
Few exclusives
Appealing games getting canceled...

What's the point of buying an xbone?

 

[Sapientas]

Microsoft, take notes! Their exclusives still look abysmal.

Are you being purposely obtuse? You're implying these are PS4 exclusives (most are not) while not actually saying it.

 

[Hentailover]

But why would you choose to knowingly build a world of delusion for yourself?

For it to be a delusion, I have to accept it as 100% truth. Speculation is just brainstorming what could've happened based on knowledge we have. It doesn't mean everyone should accept it as fact. In fact, I literally just called people that do accept it as fact despite clearly stating it's just speculation idiots in my "who cares about idiots" part. Cuz that is indeed an idiotic thing to do.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Wow I remembered a tweet I saw from him and found it. He saw it coming.

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/626385177317478400?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Seemed really pissed at MS.

I think you might be misreading it due to how Kamiya's tweet format is.

Some random twitter user came in trash-talking Scalebound. "Better than ur life." is Kamiya's response, essentially telling him to buzz off in typical Kamiya fashion.

 

[eot]

Wow, I wasn't following this game closely but this is kinda nuts IMO

Was supposed to be Kamiya's next big thing

 

[MrBS]

I was looking forward to this. I hope Kamiya is okay.

 

[AAMARMO]

 

[Magic Mushroom]

Most of their projects since MGSR are borderline mediocre anyway, and that's a shame considering that Platinum is formed by Capcom's former top-tier developers. Nonetheless, i hope that they deliver something special with Nier.

Like GAF GotY Bayonetta 2 that made it into the greatest games of all-time specials fron Edge and Hardcore Gaming 101 you mean? Or the excellent Wonderful 101? Or the far better than a cheap, licensed game like Transformers had any right to be?

I agree with your last sentence at least.

 

[Avallon]

Japanese AAA games are dying. It's sad to see.

Amazon's 3 top selling games of 2016 were all Japanese AAA games:

1. Pokemon Sun
2. Pokemon Moon
3. Final Fantasy XV

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

What an eventful day, from the Horizon leak and now this.

 

[DXMGT]

This whole gen is just horrible. Worst gen I have been through and I've played games since NES. Can't wait until few years and hopefully things get better again.

PS4 is pretty damn decent tbh, and PC is incredible. I have a great feeling about Switch too.

 

[Despera]

Game didn't look that hot tbh. Decision is probably for the best.

More resources for NieR Automata so I aint complainin'.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

They were teasing multiplayer at TGS 2014, a few months after the game was revealed. I have a feeling that Kamiya may have hinted at multiplayer even earlier, but don't really feel like looking stuff up.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/09/19/tgs-2014-scalebound-developer-teases-multiplayer

I personally think Kamiya cursing at Microsoft had to do with auxiliary details (which you would think MS has more control over to begin with), like the marketing or presentations. He once openly criticized the art of MS's official site for the game.

You are correct, MP wasn't something that just came out of the blue. It was teased in multiple interviews after is reveal. There was even a podcast interview with Ken Lobb who stated that scalebound was going to be a game that Platinum do well (Action) and something MS does well (MP).

even the reveal trailer gave some implication of this, so that theory is just being pulled out of thin air.

 

[Head.spawn]

Wow I remembered a tweet I saw from him and found it. He saw it coming.

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/626385177317478400?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Seemed really pissed at MS.

?? He didn't type the 2nd part of that tweet.

 

[ps3ud0]

Feel sorry for the people that bought an XO because of the Platinum/Scalebound rumour/reveal. It didnt look that hot the last few times Ive seen it but least it existed to add to the XOs catalogue diversity.

I wonder how MS will court other third party devs to make games exclusive for them when it seems an awful road already trodden by the likes of Obsidian/Remedy et al and now Platinum...

ps3ud0 8)

 

[oneida]

Microsoft, take notes! Their exclusives still look abysmal.

'spring and summer'? yakuza 0 is in 2 weeks. who made this?

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I was hoping that by asking you to actually quote and re-read the post you're complaining about, you'd realize that nobody actually portbegged to begin with, and maybe even admit to it.
so I'll just quote it for you!



there's no portbegging here.

There isnt port begging? Right there isnt. Its on nothing now

 

[Gestault]

The baseless corporate fan-fiction is growing alarmingly quick in this thread.

Wow I remembered a tweet I saw from him and found it. He saw it coming.

https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/626385177317478400?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Seemed really pissed at MS.

I think you're confusing Kamiya's response with what he was responding to.