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Serial: Season 01 Discussion - This American Life meets True Detective
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turnbuckle
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Maryland court of special appeals is allowing adnan to appeal. Appeal hearing slated for June 2015
EmpressInYellow
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The whole "besmirched honor" thing is borderline (well, not even really borderline) racist nonsense from the prosecutor. This is a well they apparently went back to several times. It's gross and inappropriate and makes me think even less of Kevin Urick than I already did.
Except Jay didn't work at the porn store at the time of the infamous "Nisha call". That was later (when he apparently actually spoke to her).
None of this is to say that Adnan isn't guilty, but the prosecution's case was utter nonsense. Jay is a thoroughly unreliable witness, the cell phone evidence is garbage, and Urick's conduct during the whole thing casts serious doubt on the integrity of the proceedings. Just this past week, he pulled out of a planned interview with an MSNBC analyst (a former prosecutor and current defense attorney) with no intent to reschedule after it became clear that she'd been investigating the case and reading the transcripts.
I frankly also don't buy Urick's "Oh, Koenig and company only tried to reach out to me once." Yeah, sorry, no. Not buying it. Given the ridiculous lengths they went to in order to research other stuff, I do not buy for a second that they failed to try to contact the lead prosecutor on the case.
It's interesting to hear the news about the appeal. It'll be fascinating to see how that goes given some of the stuff that has come to light and the inclusion of Asia's new affidavit.
Actually no one was able to provide alternate suspects in that case either...
That was one of the most shocking moments in the whole series to me for sure. Like....yeeeesh. Actually all the quotes from the jurors came off pretty bad. But thinking Jay is also going to prison despite his testimony is such an enormous thing to have completely wrong (although I guess they wouldn't know what was happening to Jay for sure at that time?).
I'm still thinking about Serial almost 2 months after it ended. I really don't have a solid opinion on what really happened, though I think I agree with Koenig that there wasn't enough to convict Adnan as a juror (though it's hard to say since we didn't hear and see everything that came up in court).
I do think that if Adnan did do it, Jay was probably way, way more involved than he ever admitted. Another little thing in the series that sticks with me is that the one time we know of Adnan speaking directly to Jay after being arrested was him whispering "you're pathetic" to Jay at the trial. Not "why are you doing this to me" or "why are you making all this up" but "you're pathetic." I dunno... that just sticks out to me.
It would be mind blowing if all the attention from the podcast actually led to a new breakthrough in the case.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
If Adnan didn't do it, then Jay or one of his people did. I've seen no convincing narrative from anyone to convince me that it was Jay. I've not read a good explanation for the Nisha call. I've not heard a convincing alternate explanation for the leakin park pings. All this despite the fact that we get all our information from people sympathetic to Adnan: Rabia, Koenig, Susan Simpson,and evidence prof.
And they have all held back information from us to control the narrative. For example, SS acknowledges that Adnan made a call from the same leakin park tower two weeks after the murder, but refuses to say who he called.
And they have all held back information from us to control the narrative. For example, SS acknowledges that Adnan made a call from the same leakin park tower two weeks after the murder, but refuses to say who he called.
manicstreet
Banned
This was fascinating to read. I understand that wrongful convictions happen. I can see some simalarities between this case. It just seems to me Michael Morton tried to prove his innocence more than Adnan.
For example. Morton took 2 lie detector tests. I know I know these dont matter in a court of law. Morton took the stand & defended himself. Adnan did neither of those things. All I can do is look at it as if I was in his position. If I was accused of murder I would do everything in my power to defend myself.
The other thing that bothers me is the fact that he doesnt remember anything that day. The fact that he had said it was an ordinary day is crazy. Your exgirlfriend went missing and you were notified that evening. That is a major event. I would have remembered everything. It is to convenient for him to not recall a damn thing.
WrenchNinja
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Adnan Syed has been granted an appeal of his conviction in the 1999 murder of Hae Min Lee. http://t.co/FviP9TOzRO http://t.co/DnIcrCrrWQ"
EmpressInYellow
Banned
My understanding is that the Leakin Parks pings aren't particularly meaningful, since A: that tower covers a substantially larger area than just the park, and B: those were incoming calls, and only outgoing calls are even semi-reliable when it comes to figuring out location from tower pings.
Right, but even Koenig refused to give Jay's last name. I can totally see why someone would be hesitant to send the internet detective mob after someone, especially if the call was to someone who wasn't previously involved.
OpinionatedCyborg
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I'm a little annoyed they are leaving the DNA aside for now. I suppose it makes sense -- don't blow your wad all at once. If he has a chance of getting free without the DNA evidence, keep it in your pocket for a future date. After all, the DNA could end up being bad for Adnan. It's a wild car at this point. But man I really want those samples tested.
Nappuccino
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I don't see why they wouldn't test the DNA either way, now that they know the case could hinge on it. If he did it, he deserves to be in jail. If he didn't, then he doesn't.
Right now, the DNA on those samples is the only possible concrete evidence they have.
"Surprised" as in "surprised he got the appeal". The trial is going to get a ton of media attention, even relative to its initial hype.
metsallica
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Any Serial fans check out the first episode of Andrew Jarecki's The Jinx? Feel like there would be a lot of crossover appeal; it premiered last night on HBO.
I think a great deal of serials appeal was ease of access.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Just started this. It's fantastic.
melonrabbit
Member
Just finished. I was initially one of those idiots that believed this was a fictional podcast pretending to be true. Knocked me for a loop when I found out otherwise. I wish there was more but I'm satisfied with the ending. Overall, I agree with Sarah that Adnan shouldn't have been convicted based on the evidence. I do kinda think he did it. Jay's actual involvement is hard to speculate with his ever-changing story. He did know where the car was. But without a motive I just see Jay being the mastermind.
Great stuff. Regardless of which side you end up on.
Has there been any word on the second season's release?
Great stuff. Regardless of which side you end up on.
Has there been any word on the second season's release?
I would expect sometime in the fall. I don't get the sense there's been much/any work done on the new season yet. They say they haven't decided on a topic yet.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Just finished this after listening to it to and from work for the past week....
Based on the evidence, Adnan shouldn't be in prison...simple as that. There is just not enough circumstantial evidence after all the facts came out. There are a few things that are odd but for the most part, it's just not enough imo.
did he actually do it? That, I can't say for sure, but there needs to be much stronger evidence to make that case.
Based on the evidence, Adnan shouldn't be in prison...simple as that. There is just not enough circumstantial evidence after all the facts came out. There are a few things that are odd but for the most part, it's just not enough imo.
did he actually do it? That, I can't say for sure, but there needs to be much stronger evidence to make that case.
Haven't listened to this yet because I had my med school board exams, but going to binge it on a 14 hour drive tomorrow. I've heard good things and based on this thread it should be good.
Anyone else have some recommendations for similar stuff or any kind of podcasts I can add to my trip library?
Anyone else have some recommendations for similar stuff or any kind of podcasts I can add to my trip library?
Nappuccino
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Stock up on some This American Life eps (the two parter "Cops see it differently" might be to your tastes).
sparky2112
Member
I can vouch for this. Two great episodes. GREAT episodes.
Freewheelin'
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Just finished this podcast. Very intriguing and engrossing.
At first I definitely thought Jay did it, his story seemed so sketchy (the phone logs at Leakin and seeing Hae's car are obvious clues) but as the podcast went on, I started to see Adnan as a potential suspect mainly because even though his alibis match up, there has to be an explanation for giving Jay his phone and his car.
Anyway, the case is over, there's nothing to be done right now.
At first I definitely thought Jay did it, his story seemed so sketchy (the phone logs at Leakin and seeing Hae's car are obvious clues) but as the podcast went on, I started to see Adnan as a potential suspect mainly because even though his alibis match up, there has to be an explanation for giving Jay his phone and his car.
Anyway, the case is over, there's nothing to be done right now.
Horseticuffs
Full werewolf off the buckle
Hey guys, I've kind of missed having Serial in my life. I thought maybe others here in this thread might feel the same way, and thanks to Night of the Living Podcast ( www.NOTLP.com ) I found a pretty good surrogate!
http://swordandscale.com/ is the home of Sword and Scale. Slick as the day is long. It isn't so much into investigating but it is a VERY well produced podcast detailing real crimes and the science behind them and such. I've only gone two episodes in so far but it is REALLY creepy.
I hope some of you guys give it a shot and enjoy.
http://swordandscale.com/ is the home of Sword and Scale. Slick as the day is long. It isn't so much into investigating but it is a VERY well produced podcast detailing real crimes and the science behind them and such. I've only gone two episodes in so far but it is REALLY creepy.
I hope some of you guys give it a shot and enjoy.
To all the people that have just finished this podcast, make sure to read Jay's interview with The intercept where he changes the location of the trunk pop and the time of the burial:
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I thought this bump was about Sarah admitting she flirted with adnan.
My partner and I listened to the S1 of Serial during a long car trip recently, we enjoyed it immensely. Donated for S2 shortly after.
Thanks for this recommendation. I've never heard of Sword and Scale, but a quick google and listen to episode 41 has me hooked!
Ha, apparently that came up at the conference too. From the audio she played and by her own admission, it sounded like they were both flirting.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
Horseticuffs
Full werewolf off the buckle
I'm starting from one. Episodes 5 and 6 are a two-parter and amazing. I've heard this Bohemia Grove or whatever bullshit before on the internet and, like usual, I dismiss as lunacy but they made a compelling case to at least think about.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
Hmm...okay. I don't usually like starting at ep1 of a podcast cuz I feel like it takes a few episodes for them to get into their rhythm. I tried episode 30 (about H.H. Holmes) based on some posts on reddit, but it seemed like a 2 hour phone interview...not the audio quality I'm really looking for. I'll give some of the earlier ones a shot.
Horseticuffs
Full werewolf off the buckle
It's definitely a phone-interview intensive podcast. That really doesn't bother me too much, personally.
Shout out to my home town in the Aileen Wuornos/Female killer episode!
Gotta rep the 352, son.
Christoff Yurievich
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Whereas I feel like it's important to start from ep1 to hear them get that rhythm. Also why I don't like starting new podcasts that have 300 episodes.
I just finished the first episode of Sword and Scale and thought the host was a bit off putting. Seemed very biased and had quite a bit of fear mongering going on. Does this change at all over the podcasts or does his style stay pretty consistent to the first episode?
I think it changes. The first episode I listened to was about the moms that kill their babies and I thought his fear mongering and just the way he went about it was terrible. Maybe listen to one of the newer episodes.
Episode 4 is great
5 and 6 as mentioned are crazy and you should listen to them. Episode 11& 12 are also crazy
15,16 are good
20 is the creepiest thing I've ever heard. It made me sick
22, 26, 27, 28 31 are good
33 and 34 are about Luka Magnotta those are really good
35 and 40 are good.
I'd listen to those first
Horseticuffs
Full werewolf off the buckle
Consider my interest peaked for episode twenty!
Junior Asparagus
Member
I guess there's a new podcast coming out called "Undisclosed: The State v. Adnan Syed". It's sponsored by people on Adnan's side though, so it's probably gonna be pretty biased.
turnbuckle
Member
I would have looked forward to this more if it didn't have Rabia involved. Susan Simpson and Colin Miller have done some good work extending the investigation after Serial ended. Some redditors think of them being decidedly pro-Adnan. I don't know about that.
But Rabia is too emotionally invested to be able to accept without huge grains of salt. I think if she would accept that "Maybe Adnan Did Do It" this would be a worthwhile podcast.
I'll still check it out and see if it ends up better than I am predicting.
Horseticuffs
Full werewolf off the buckle
Holy crap. Episode 20 of Sword and Scale is, as promised, very intensely disturbing.
| Praxis |
Banned
Thanks for this, will give it a shot.
Horseticuffs
Full werewolf off the buckle
I hope you like it. I'm up to episode 23 already. The guy is interesting. I'm still not sure I've caught his name, but he personally messaged me on Twitter to thank me for being a fan.
He's all serious as a heart attack but in the beginning of episode 21 he placed a crank call to his good friend using robot voices he used to VERY creepy effect in episode 20. GAF, I kid you not, that crank call was one of the most horribly glorious examples of dark humor I've ever heard. I was disgusted and amused beyond belief.
| Praxis |
Banned
I just listened to the first episode and enjoyed it, I'm definitely going to stick with it. I was looking for something like this, that picks apart the actual crime and analyses the perpetrator. Always been fascinated with true crime and the actual murders so this really scratches that itch.
I haven't looked at the episode notes for future episodes, but does it go into any infamous serial killers, or are you aware of any podcasts that discuss serial killers or mass murderers of note?
I would also like to recommend the audio books "In Cold Blood" by Truman Capote "The Stranger Beside Me" by Ann Rule (who worked the samaritan phone line with Ted Bundy) and "Columbine" by Dave Cullen.
I'm sure there's more, but my memory is shit, I'll post more when I remember or get home and check my audiobooks.
Horseticuffs
Full werewolf off the buckle
He goes into Aileen Wuornos a bit on an episode about female Serial Killers. It was kind of strange as I had no clue she'd been indicted for a crime in my little county! So far he hasn't gone too much into the big boys but has introduced me to some people I'd never heard of;http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_Gunness
http://swordandscale.com/sword-and-scale-episode-21/ (Agent 3X killer).
http://swordandscale.com/sword-and-scale-episode-21/ (Agent 3X killer).
daemissary
Member
I had never heard of Belle Gunness either. I'm only on episode 5 but that story and the one about the guy who murdered his own family, pled insanity and then was set free in under 10 years were both terrifying to me.
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