Plenty of people would still make quality mods without this system in place.
And didn't your mod land you guys a deal with Valve anyway? Yea man the whole scene was such a travesty...
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Skyrim Workshop Now Supports Paid Mods
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Plenty of people would still make quality mods without this system in place.
And didn't your mod land you guys a deal with Valve anyway? Yea man the whole scene was such a travesty...
Third party horse armour.
wait..what if someone has an old version of the Wet and Cold mod from Nexus and Steam finds that and doesn't allow u to play it since it clearly states that if u have the same file name ..it will ask you if you bought it first ?
then it will not allow you to play then?
The old version is still on the workshop and is free
I think it's more hilarious how you don't actually address a single one of my points and the only thing that comes up to your mind is arguing about the word entitled. But keep it up breh, people should work for you for free. They have to work for you for free.
Yep, this.
This is a disaster waiting to happen. How many people are going to steal mods and charge for them? And how will Valve support the victims? How many mods are going to break after the devs update the game?
This goes against the spirit of modding. You do it because you love it, not to make money. It's a fan creation, not a product to sell. As soon as the motivation becomes money you'll get a whole lot of lowest common denominator crapware with price tags on it. Steam Workshop will turn into the iTunes app store.
This goes against the spirit of modding. You do it because you love it, not to make money. It's a fan creation, not a product to sell. As soon as the motivation becomes money you'll get a whole lot of lowest common denominator crapware with price tags on it. Steam Workshop will turn into the iTunes app store.
So all those people who made great mods and made them available for free are now going to become those pathetic people? If they were willing to work for free before, why should they change now?
They were always free to charge for their mods, and in the past, some have. The only difference here is that an easy infrastructure is provided for them.
I should be grateful to be at the gluttonous pc gaming community's service, really. It's quite an honor to have people play my mod. Thank you, sir, may I have another?
StarlordDial
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wheew
cuz it's been a looong time since i played skyrim with mods..and i still have millions of mod packages on my hard drive from tons of mods :3
but man..this thing is blowing up....i mean i could just donate to the modders or something
also that 25% split is so low for the modders to get
People who mod for love have been completely assassinated, it seems.
I dont have a deal with valve. I have met their vr team, we talk, I am likely getting a vive, but they dont pay me.
This is a career. Merely "meeting your heroes" is not compensation.
BennyBlanco
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This would probably piss me off if I ever used mods from the steam workshop.
Cizeta-Moroder
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I have no problem with this, but those who do, see this is what's suspicious about all this Steam centralization.
Charging for mods has always been possible outside Steam. Free mods will always be possible outside Steam.
Charging for mods has always been possible outside Steam. Free mods will always be possible outside Steam.
How many people steal commercial games and charge for them?
Bethesda, exploitative? But they are such a paragon in the industry...
Nexus was always the better modding place for sure, but this is going to effect them in some way too. I hope for a huge support in their favor from this but I just always assume the worst.
You're the one who decided to get into making mods, dude. I didn't force you. If you wanted to make money, making mods was probably a bad decision. Sorry if it worked out badly for you, but maybe you should have tried to get a real job with a real software company instead? Or just make your own game?
there's a lot of clauses in modding tools that prohibit you from profiting off of creations made from those tools, like source sdk for one
haha oh shit. here it is. GET A REAL JOB
There are countless examples of games right this very moment that are still offering free mods. Hell you should be more worried about the ability to mod than the charging of mods. But you've got your agenda set and will keep jumping those canyons for your slippery slope arguments.
Nemesis121
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and there goes all the free stuff PC gamers enjoyed in 10 years it's gonna be like DLC..
crazyrabbits
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Huh. I'm still somewhat confused, because it sounds like the onus is on the creator to declare how much they're giving to these other parties/content creators, even though it doesn't really say that in the agreement.
Just from the way it's worded, it sounds like there's nothing stopping someone from uploading a mod and claiming sole credit/creation.
Ganzlinger
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I don't like this idea... I think the donation system is good enough. I thought the principle behind this was that modders made the changes to enhance their own games and share with the community not to make cash. If the mod is broken or if it damages your PC I guess it will be a lot more complicated to get a refund... I don't know.
It's ignorant to think that they won't.
Apparently not since we are in a topic about how I can charge for my mod now.
I wouldnt count on it.
Who says I'm not worried about that too? I am.
And dude, this system was just put into place like today. Obviously there are still free mods now, but what about 3 years, 5 years, 10 years down the line?
Why did you make a mod to begin with, if not to have people play it?
Did you start modding with starry-eyed dreams of Valve and Bethesda profiting from your efforts before eventually letting you in on the deal?
Bethesda and Valve have no right to any of the money for these mods. Especially Bethesda. They ended support for the game and stopped selling dlc. They could have continued releasing more content after dragonborn. But their lazy ass didn't. Modders did and now bethesda wants a piece of that pie? Pay 99 cents to change weather in your game and most of that money goes to the developer who should have had a weather option in the settings to begin with. Instead they released buggy vanilla version day one.
Yea ok lol such awful revenue split. You could make an argument for Valve taking a cut but at the most it would be like 10%.
It should be
Content makers = 90%
Valve = 10%
The current notion of content makers only getting 25% is such a scam and robbery. I can't believe anyone would support it. Just awful smh. On top of that all the terrible dlc practices from bethesda in the past...this split is like adding insult to injury.
Yea ok lol such awful revenue split. You could make an argument for Valve taking a cut but at the most it would be like 10%.
It should be
Content makers = 90%
Valve = 10%
The current notion of content makers only getting 25% is such a scam and robbery. I can't believe anyone would support it. Just awful smh. On top of that all the terrible dlc practices from bethesda in the past...this split is like adding insult to injury.
Why not? More robust tool=more mods=more money.
how many of those in here defending this as good for consumers are big skyrim mod users and have paid/will be paying for a bunch of the mods they previously subscribed to to support creators? this is good for modders i agree, some money vs. no money will be appealing to pretty much all modders, and i'd just like to see some screencaps of people who have now spent 200 dollars on a list of the kind of minor but useful mods we all use when playing these games
Shady iPhone developers do it all the time. Remember how Nintendo had to clamp down on it after all those copycats (many of which directly lifted game assets) on the iTunes store?
Not even the most ridiculous thing said in this topic, sadly. My sarcastic retort about being honored to make mods for an ungrateful audience? Someone else said it earlier in this thread without irony.
But ya, I should have gotten a real job. Hahaha.
BennyBlanco
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Are they at least lifting the flie size cap now?
Bornstellar
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Beth's mod tools are crap. Everyone uses user-created tools.
Doubt those creators are going to be compensated.
That's pretty much what my friend said as well. The next few months will be interesting to see what prices the mods settle at. As it stands right now even as someone who doesn't use many mods(two dozen at most usually) if I were to get just three of the same mods I did before at the default price I would be paying more then I did for Skyrim and all its DLC. So yeah unless most of the mods I use stay free or go for pennies I just don't care enough about modding a game to pay that much for the pleasure. As I said though it will be interesting to see where the Skyrim market settles and how the Fallout 4 modding scene turns out with what I assume will be paid mods from the start.
And that's good for you. But not for me and the rest of the gaming community in general. Your mod specifically might be 100% worth the money. I'm really not trying to put you or your work down. But in the end this will only help ruin the community.
Considering the way you treat modders you don't deserve a single free piece of content, so there's that.
But free mods will continue to exist in 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years. Free mods won't stop existing.
Black Mesa is a whole other beast entirely, though. There's quite a gap between "having done licensing deals with Valve to release a game using some of their assets" and "monetising individual items in a singleplayer game"
The gap is huge, and you wont be seeing these items that the fuss is all about make it to the front-page, but mods-turned games? Sure. But that's nothing new, and that's never been what people are going nuts over.
It's so far removed from being a mod that it's a really crap argument. I can't say I mind all this, but someone asking me to pay $4 for a single sword in a singleplayer game? Now that is just out-right dumb.
But again, There's an ocean of difference between Natural Selection, Black Mesa, Garrys Mod etc and these... In-game-assets being charged for.
Dorsal Axe
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Is it really good for modders? They get a 25% cut and have to make $400 profit before seeing a dime of that money.
I imagine this condition will kill things pretty quickly, unless they change it. Right now it's pure exploitation with a dangling carrot.
Honestly thats a best case scenario. In a perfect world GTA5 would have released with Mod Tools. There are only a few developers willing to give direct support to Modders and for some reason I dont see that changing.
ashecitism
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Has been lifted for a while now.
Don't you technically have a real job in part because of your "fake job"?
It's not about complaining about not getting paid, it's about people being so entitled as to suggest you shouldn't have the option to charge for your work.
Imagine if someone told you weren't allowed to charge for the work you did at your job, yes, you're totally free to not charge for it - but it should be your choice.
but large quality mods, mods that are currently free probably won't be.
I wonder how many of the new paid for mods are reliant on SKSE?
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