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[Victarion]

What's with all this broken English in this thread? haha

 

[kitch9]

This is them getting a toe in the door, not robbing a house clean.

More like they've managed to get a leg up to have a peek over the garden gate.

 

[Dreamer RD]

Nice. Now break this piece of shit so we can at least use custom wallpaper.

 

[Inspectah_Deck]

So basically it's nothing?

It's nothing for the enduser.
But it's a huge step for the homebrew community, because now they can fully reverse the system and find new security flaws (in newer FW) along the way.

 

[Dick Justice]

The ability for others to hack and ruin an online experience for everyone is very much a concern when you've paid money for a game.

"Oh the horror" isn't your money. Its someone else's.

Trophies, not the online gameplay.

 

[Windforce]

If this means a significant increase in the amount of cheaters, fuck this

I don't think it will.

Whoever jailbreaks their system must stay at a lower firmware (ie. cannot go online without most recent version). Going online may also mean getting a ban from Sony. So online gaming should be ok.

 

[kitch9]

Finally a solution for all of disc based games that constantly get ejected randomly that sony won't fix with out paying them.

I've been waiting for this but didn't expect it to happen so soon.

It's easy to fix that yourself, very easy. Also, no its not a solution to that, not even close.

 

[captainraincoat]

It'll be interesting to see if this goes anywhere.

Sony did a pretty good job with security this time if it's taken 2 years to make even a slight crack in the defenses.

Last time this happened we had the infamous data leaks and psn down for almost 2 months debacle....we did get freebies from it however

 

[Ludens]

Last time this happened we had the infamous data leaks and psn down for almost 2 months debacle....we did get freebies from it however

Expect some indies this time.

 

[Totaleclipes]

That is the mentally, i bought the hardware i should be able to do anything i want with it.

Only if what you do with it effects only you then I have np with that but it effects others or has the potential to then absolutely not. Let's not pretend like jailbroken hardware has been used for only harmless things though....

 

[DieH@rd]

can't sony just patch it?

They already did, but this exploit is for a very old version of the PS4. However, hackers can now probe the OS and try to find unpatched exploits, internal workings, ways to downgrade current retail PS4s, etc.

I don't think it will.

Whoever jailbreaks their system must stay at a lower firmware (ie. cannot go online without most recent version). Going online may also mean getting a ban from Sony. So online gaming should be ok.

PS3 CFW users could easily go online without issues if they behaved [not launch CFW apps while the console was logged into PSN, not played pre-release games, cheat, etc].

 

[chekhonte]

It's easy to fix that yourself, very easy. Also, no its not a solution to that, not even close.

There is not a permanent solution for this. Unplugging it for 10 minutes fixes it for 3 to 5 hours.

Tightening the screw fixes it for maybe a couple of days.

This is like defending the towel trick claiming that it fixes the RRoD.

And this isn't a fix yet but it's only a matter of time now.

 

[Ishida]

So basically it's nothing?

First step towards piracy under the excuse of "homebrew".

 

[David Ricardo]

Trophies, not the online gameplay.

Trophies matter as much as what you have to do to get them. If people start using exploits to get all the trophies they want, then trophies are worthless.

 

[Willy Wanka]

I personally wouldn't give up PSN functionality for homebrew & emulation at this stage in the generation but it will be interesting to see how capable the PS4 is in that respect.

 

[chekhonte]

Trophies matter as much as what you have to do to get them. If people start using exploits to get all the trophies they want, then trophies are worthless.

Do people care other than competing with their friends?

And will trophy cheating matter if you can't take your console online?

 

[chekhonte]

First step towards piracy under the excuse of "homebrew".

They have to say that.

 

[CambriaRising]

Trophies matter as much as what you have to do to get them. If people start using exploits to get all the trophies they want, then trophies are worthless.

Then trophies haven't mattered since the day PS3 saves were unpacked.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but trophies have been exploited for almost 6 years now.

 

[Hasney]

Trophies matter as much as what you have to do to get them. If people start using exploits to get all the trophies they want, then trophies are worthless.

Why? Seems odd if you're just doing it for ePenis. I get trophies to 100% games I love playing, not to swing my online cock about.

 

[hesido]

Do people care other than competing with their friends?

And will trophy cheating matter if you can't take your console online?

If the trophy system breaks, it devalues the whole system, no two ways about it. The pleasure of achieving something will always be shadowed by the possibility that one could have cheated his way to get those, because you couldn't prove that you did not cheat. Probably some won't care, probably some would.

 

[Hasney]

If the trophy system breaks, it devalues the whole system, no two ways about it. The pleasure of achieving something will always be shadowed by the possibility that one could have cheated his way to get those, because you couldn't prove that you did not cheat. Probably some won't care, probably some would.

It's already broken and has been for some years. Just like XBox and Steam.

 

[hesido]

It's already broken and has been for some years. Just like XBox and Steam.

On PS4 also?

Btw, online cheating is the big problem here.

 

[JayBabay]

On PS3 they would unfortunately still have ways to play online even with the firmware lowered. I personally knew someone who did this and would avoid playing anything with them.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

First step towards piracy under the excuse of "homebrew".

Are you saying that you dont want to play super mario world in your PS4?

 

[Oxn]

There is not a permanent solution for this. Unplugging it for 10 minutes fixes it for 3 to 5 hours.

Tightening the screw fixes it for maybe a couple of days.

This is like defending the towel trick claiming that it fixes the RRoD.

And this isn't a fix yet but it's only a matter of time now.

Yup i tried all the tricks. They usually last me a couple of weeks before it restarts, and i dont use my ps4 that often.

I usually just do a hard reset, and that may last me a month.

 

[Vegito]

I just hope this exploit isn't limited to fw 1.76.

 

[Hasney]

On PS4 also?

Btw, online cheating is the big problem here.

Nah, PS3 and Vita are though. I just think that if anyone cares about trophies being devalued, they should assume that it will be hacked at some point since there's a 100% success rate of that so far.

 

[OmegaFax]

I'm sure this will blow over soon. The PS3 was broken into pretty early on last generation and nothing came out of it.

I wouldn't say nothing. PS3's brokenness was pretty substantial + PSP being about equally wide open + Sony getting a negative ride out of a few lawsuits + other bits of unrelated controversies and numerous attacks on PSN and Sony online infrastructure.

I assume people are mostly scared of "hackers" or people cheating in games like GTA and CoD with rank hacks, god mode, aimbot and whatnot.

If both publishers and sony stay on top of this it'll require a new update to play online and as such they wont be able to use it

Spoiler

as easily

against others.

http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/52451/update-targeting-cheaters-in-gta-online. 2400+ comments up until today and it doesn't seem Rockstar can do enough, if anything, to fix GTA Online for PS3. I hear it's pretty bad on PS3.

I think people who try to actively modify GTA Online eventually get their PSN accounts/systems banned. Pretty sure Social Club is another counter-measure against these mods. I can imagine people linking their PSN -> Social Club anyways.

if this is true. thats insane. ps4 came out 2013. so thats what like 2 years to jailbreak? wasnt there a rumor of a jailbreak in brazil in 2014 though?

I read that the thing in Brazil verified and it was something beyond account sharing.

 

[Green Yoshi]

Can they signature homebrew so you don't have to use custom firmware? A Dreamcast emulator is always nice to have.

 

[Hasney]

I read that the thing in Brazil verified and it was something beyond account sharing.

It's basically that they have a single PS4 with a bunch of legit bought games, then they image that hard drive and copy it to another one to dumo into a new PS4z then they flash the NAND and BIOS to match the PS4 with the legit bought games.

They can't go online, but they're basically cloning PS4s.

 

[Windforce]

Nah, PS3 and Vita are though. I just think that if anyone cares about trophies being devalued, they should assume that it will be hacked at some point since there's a 100% success rate of that so far.

I don't think Vita trophies are tainted. Maybe for game with cross save with PS3 since people may hack PS3 side. But Vita only games are safe as far as I know... so 50% success rate.

 

[Hasney]

I don't think Vita trophies are tainted. Maybe for game with cross save with PS3 since people may hack PS3 side. But Vita only games are safe as far as I know... so 50% success rate.

They're not. The mailhack allowed you to send the trophy database to your PC and then unlock anything you want and send it back.

 

[Cymbal Head]

Call me when I can dual boot Steam OS and use my PS4 to do in home streaming.

Til then, I'm good.

 

[chekhonte]

Call me when I can dual boot Steam OS and use my PS4 to do in home streaming.

Til then, I'm good.

It's probably impossible to make video drivers for the ps4 so it'll never happen.

 

[Hasney]

It's probably impossible to make video drivers for the ps4 so it'll never happen.

It probably wouldn't be too difficult to get the SDK.

 

[SgtCobra]

Sony Japan should be developing a stability patch as we speak.
But, eh, yay homebrew, I guess?

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Trophies matter as much as what you have to do to get them. If people start using exploits to get all the trophies they want, then trophies are worthless.

trophies are worthless tho.

 

[Windforce]

They're not. The mailhack allowed you to send the trophy database to your PC and then unlock anything you want and send it back.

Damn. Didn't know that. :/

 

[Eila]

Would be neat if it allows the use of the PS2 emulator with injected isos. See how other games run.
Hacking newer consoles is too annoying now, it's just not worth it for me after the Wii and PSP. Those were some killer emulation devices.

 

[fritolay]

I like playing consoles so I don't have to worry as much if the other player is cheating. This is not good news to me.

 

[Hasney]

I like playing consoles so I don't have to worry as much if the other player is cheating. This is not good news to me.

Well every single console was hacked last generation and allowed cheaters. The ratio of bumping into them online will probably be the same as that, so depends how many you found on those consoles.

 

[David Ricardo]

Do people care other than competing with their friends?

And will trophy cheating matter if you can't take your console online?

If they do it offline and can't update them online then I don't care. But if they were able to use the exploit to update their trophy record online then I wouldn't care about trophies anymore.

It's not about epenis as some other person said, it's about what the trophies represent. As long as they are reliable, they represent what I have done, which games I played and which ones I platinumed.

 

[Dick Justice]

Trophies matter as much as what you have to do to get them. If people start using exploits to get all the trophies they want, then trophies are worthless.

Implying that they aren't worthless already.

 

[Bearpowers]

I won't bother unless DQ11 gets a fan translation and no localization.

Maybe if some PS4 games get the Xenoblade/Fatal Frame treatment I might bother, censorship is the worst and patching stuff back in is nice.

 

[XBP]

Not sure why some people are so worried. This thing is far away from being turned into an actual custom firmware. It took years for the PS3 to get some form of a working CFW and even that was too complicated for an average user. The Ps4's chances of getting an easy workable custom firmware are a lot lower.

 

[test_account]

There is not a permanent solution for this. Unplugging it for 10 minutes fixes it for 3 to 5 hours.

Tightening the screw fixes it for maybe a couple of days.

This is like defending the towel trick claiming that it fixes the RRoD.

And this isn't a fix yet but it's only a matter of time now.

I had the same problem, but i just kept unplugging the power cord for a few minutes and it fixed itself after several times. It was a period where it happened often, now its been months since the last time it happened.

But as the other guy said, hacking the console wont fix this issue. No one seems to know exactly what causes it.

 

[luca_29_bg]

Not sure why some people are so worried. This thing is far away from being turned into an actual custom firmware. It took years for the PS3 to get some form of a working CFW and even that was too complicated for an average user. The Ps4's chances of getting an easy workable custom firmware are a lot lower.

nope. It's x86, much much easy this time!

 

[Laughing Banana]

PUT LINUX ON IT!

This is for piracy, right? But who wants to download 50 gigs of data? (Pirates, I guess.)

Uhhhhhhhhhh.... many of the digital version of games right now hover around this amount of GB you know......

 

[kitch9]

There is not a permanent solution for this. Unplugging it for 10 minutes fixes it for 3 to 5 hours.

Tightening the screw fixes it for maybe a couple of days.

This is like defending the towel trick claiming that it fixes the RRoD.

And this isn't a fix yet but it's only a matter of time now.

Its caused by static jumping between the case and the power button when sat on some surfaces. Turn the PS4 upside down and with a sharp Stanley blade slide a slither some of the rubber of the power button away at the furthest edge to the back of the button. You shouldn't be able to see where you have cut as it is under the machine.

That will solve it.

The PS4 is not hacked, its not even close to being hacked, on a scale of 1-100 of how hacked the machine is it is about 0.0001, we have a reproducible crash which leaves unencrypted ram in the memory.

Whoopie do.

 

[darkwing]

Its caused by static jumping between the case and the power button when sat on some surfaces. Turn the PS4 upside down and with a sharp Stanley blade slide a slither some of the rubber of the power button away at the furthest edge to the back of the button. You shouldn't be able to see where you have cut as it is under the machine.

That will solve it.

The PS4 is not hacked, its not even close to being hacked, on a scale of 1-100 of how hacked the machine is it is about 0.0001, we have a reproducible crash which leaves unencrypted ram in the memory.

Whoopie do.

but it's x86