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Sony Patents possible PS5 Backward Compatibility method invented by Mark Cerny
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JimboJones
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Bravo I guess?
thelastword
Banned
Cerny is such a great architect, I believe in him.....He was so instrumental in designing the PS4 which was the most powerful in 2013 and which has dominated since then, absolutely no issues with the hardware, lots of neat features; like the share button, essentially a great controller, the audio jack and touchpad, the media chip and of course 8Gb of GDDR5.......Media streaming on a console and the share button for pics and vids were such powerful features on day 1.......Playstation Live was lit and saw so much activity which boosted PS4 sales and attracted many persons to the eco-system...
Looking at the great work he did with the PRO, with it's custom design, Vega features, 64 rops in 2016, I know we are in for something really special with PS5, all the chips are aligning for a powerful SOC in late 2020, with some neat custom features which I can't wait to know about.....Yet, I'm doubly interested in some of the OS features, just like they brought media streaming to consoles; shareplay, remoteplay....I want to see what new revolutionary feature they adopt or present to us in 2020........Some of their patents for texture replacement in old games is looking very promising, so their BC approach should be very ambitious by the looks of it...
Looking at the great work he did with the PRO, with it's custom design, Vega features, 64 rops in 2016, I know we are in for something really special with PS5, all the chips are aligning for a powerful SOC in late 2020, with some neat custom features which I can't wait to know about.....Yet, I'm doubly interested in some of the OS features, just like they brought media streaming to consoles; shareplay, remoteplay....I want to see what new revolutionary feature they adopt or present to us in 2020........Some of their patents for texture replacement in old games is looking very promising, so their BC approach should be very ambitious by the looks of it...
mcz117chief
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I thought this was given from the get go. Even the POSSIBILITY of PS5 not being backwards compatible is outrageous. When PS3 and 4 have a different architecture then I can somewhat excuse them but not anymore when PS4 is almost a normal PC.
DreamsiclesPlz
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Knack backward compatible baby
KNACKWARDS COMPATIBLE
Thiagosc777
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But people buy new systems to play new games, right? Nobody cares about backwards compatibility, I was told.
bhunachicken
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I think the long tail (as it's known) will be more important going forward. If devs are able to keep making money off old and new games for a few decades it could reduce the incentives to add loot boxes and pay-to-win mechanics to new games, since revenue from older titles would be coming in.
Well, that's the hope at least.
Well, that's the hope at least.
thelastword
Banned
Tbh, this does not make and break a console, but if they're doing it with the ambition they are, people will take note of it and use it more....Sometimes it's not what you do, it's how you do it......
In any case, if I want to go back to old games where textures are replaced, 60fps is given, 4k resolution is standard with 16xAF and TAA, I'm more than happy to play some PS4 games or my backlog with such enhancements......Yet, I'll tell you something, no matter how nice they look, they won't look as nice as PS5 games and that's what everybody will be drooling about and playing......I won't be playing Shadowfall at 4k 60fps on launch day on PS5, I will be playing the new Killzone by Guerilla that will surely blow eye-sockets out......
mcz117chief
Member
If they can make even PS3 backwards compatible then that would be awesome but I don't hold my breath. PS4 is the absolute minimum I am willing to accept.
It might look good but if it is as boring and bland as all the other Killzone games then what is the point? I want fun games. There are games which don't look spectacular but are extremely fun (NAtURAL DOCtRINE, EDF) and then there are games which look great but are no fun to play. There are still dozens of great games on PS3/4 that I haven't played that I want to and if it would be all available from one place that would be very convenient, as opposed to juggling cables all the time when I want to play a PS3 game.
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ThatStupidLion
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Fuck ps5 - Why cant i play my digitally bought ps1 classics on ps4!?!?
Pallas
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Sure I would too but I wouldn’t count on anything other than PS4 being compatible with the PS5. Everything else will probably require PSNow or digital purchase I bet.
Shin
Banned
You never know with Sony until they confirm it, looking at their history it's hit and miss, yet they've been at the forefront of BC in general.
Also the application got pulled from public viewing on the Japanese site, so a bit of "oops that didn't supposed to happen", just gives more credibility to this story.
thelastword
Banned
If you thought the Killzone games were bland, I don't think 4k 60fps or BC changes that.....Like anything else, you play what you want to play, you play what you like or what resonates......That's why there are several games at any typical launch, so persons can choose....If you don;t want to play the new Killzone, then I'm sure there will be many other new gen titles that will blow yours socks up graphics wise and are also fun.....
It's as simple as this, I won't buy a PS5 for BC, I'll buy a PS5 to experience new gen games on day 1, BC is only a bonus of which I will utilize if done right, but it's hardly the reason why I will spend $500.00 in 2020....If the PS5 had no BC, it would not be a problem for me to keep my PS4 plugged in to play PS4 games....
So while he did good work on the PS4 and Knack was...interesting...this patent is about as trivial and obvious as patents can be.
As for the PS5, I would be very surprised if it can't at least play PS4 games.
Angry_Megalodon
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There is a big difference between being a great added value and being the main reason to buy.
Besides, with the rise of online gaming and digital downloads BC is mandatory. Standards have changed and every company has to adopt them if they don't want to be left behind. Sony cannot make their service grow without BC, that would be crazy.
Breakfast at Noon
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Ps4 is a given for backwards compatible I think if they did not they'd be shitting the bed.
Now we need it to be backwards with ALL gens just imagine how insane PSNOW could be with all those games downloadable..
Please, I'm sure the PS5 has the power to emulate a PS3.
Now we need it to be backwards with ALL gens just imagine how insane PSNOW could be with all those games downloadable..
Please, I'm sure the PS5 has the power to emulate a PS3.
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mcz117chief
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graphic's haven't impressed me since the jump from PS2 to PS3. It is just higher res and some added effects. I don't expect anything on PS5 to blow me away graphics wise.
PSFan
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I'd settle for being able to play my PS4, PS2 and PS1 discs. Fuck PSNow. Leave that for PS3 games.
Ozrimandias
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1.- I Believe in Cerny (#believeincerny)
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3.- Dont care Crossplay, only worried about backward capability
4.- One of the best way to keep your long term costumers happy, is that they dont need to migrate to another hardware, all of the games buyed in the past can be played in the new console.
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This plus, my digital PS2 and PSone Classics, if it is backwards compatible with those, i will buy a PS5 day one, even a PRO if it is available at launch.
3.- Dont care Crossplay, only worried about backward capability
4.- One of the best way to keep your long term costumers happy, is that they dont need to migrate to another hardware, all of the games buyed in the past can be played in the new console.
The salt because Sony will have true compatibility
Thiagosc777
Member
The salt because Sony will have true compatibility
It is funny to see people celebrating a feature that apparently nobody cares about.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Wait, didn't Sony fans all cry about how backwards compatibility is a joke and nobody needs it...? Now they are making a big buzz for doing what everybody has been doing for years, and the last word has a boner, even though he himself said it was pointless...??
What the hell am I reading?
What the hell am I reading?
Journey
Banned
Microsoft doesn't have a break.
Yeah normal people don't care/ know about it.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
invented by mark cerny...yeah...sure...ok
all they gotta do is build a "PS4 Super Pro" and name it PS5. There's your backwards compatibility.
all they gotta do is build a "PS4 Super Pro" and name it PS5. There's your backwards compatibility.
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Shin
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Old games don't make money, they'll probably do the minimum and people will accept it.
Fbh
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I understand nothing of the subject but I remember when the Ps4 specs were announced people said it should make future console being backwards compatible easier so this is cool I guess. At least for me Ps4 BC is mandatory to even consider buying a Ps5 early on. Them going all out and making it fully compatible with Ps1-Ps4 would be amazing (though I seriously doubt it as they want to push PsNow)
Whatever it ends up being I really hope its similar to what MS is doing it. Not just emulating the game as it was but actually enhancing it with the new hardware
Whatever it ends up being I really hope its similar to what MS is doing it. Not just emulating the game as it was but actually enhancing it with the new hardware
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Fox Mulder
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I think everyone expects the PS5 to at least offer PS4 BC.
Sony had full PS1 BC in the PS2, full PS2/PS1 BC in the launch PS3. The vita played digital psp games. The PS3 hardware gave a legitimate excuse for no BC on the PS4, and they offered PS Now for that.
Digital purchases have exploded this generation and it would be dumb to wipe that away. Sony needs to do a better job of offering PS1 and PS2 games too. The PS1 classic was a fucking failure, let me buy the games on PSN.
Sony had full PS1 BC in the PS2, full PS2/PS1 BC in the launch PS3. The vita played digital psp games. The PS3 hardware gave a legitimate excuse for no BC on the PS4, and they offered PS Now for that.
Digital purchases have exploded this generation and it would be dumb to wipe that away. Sony needs to do a better job of offering PS1 and PS2 games too. The PS1 classic was a fucking failure, let me buy the games on PSN.
Javthusiast
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Cerny really wants Knack and Knack 2 to be playable on ps5. The rest of older games will just be a bonus, that he doesn't really care about. Knack is where it's at boiz.
SaucyJack
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BC is at its most useful at the point of transition into a new generation when nextgen games are few and far between. Xbox BC is a cool feature, but it came too late to be a big deal for this gen.
I’m assuming that PS5 and Xbox2 (?) will have BC out the gate.
The extent of one's investment in digital libraries also influences how attractive the feature is.
I’m assuming that PS5 and Xbox2 (?) will have BC out the gate.
The extent of one's investment in digital libraries also influences how attractive the feature is.
GoldenEye98
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I dunno sounds like a pretty straightforward 'If Statement'...surprised you could even patent that
I'm more interested in how they are going to get Zen CPU to impersonate a Jag CPU...that seems like it would be the tricky part...
I'm more interested in how they are going to get Zen CPU to impersonate a Jag CPU...that seems like it would be the tricky part...