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I was highly disappointed to find out Galak-Z does not have a Platinum. Highly
There is no rule. You decide (as a dev) whether your game should have a small trophy set or large trophy set, and can use a number of different "guides" in determining which route to go. But it's not forced nor is it decided by anyone other than the devs.
Given this is done by higher ups, they may have accidentally thought their game was a smaller one and ended up with the smaller trophy package.
Well, I'm with Chubigans on this one. I've made trophy pack files, and it's as easy as flipping a switch from a plat game or a non-plat game.
I'm sure the devs wanted to, they can have their games have a platinum and Sony won't object.
The thing is that trophy bugs can easily fail your game at certification. If I had a choice with my games, I would make as few trophies as possible, and that's why Sony is giving the choice.
I do remember hearing about having to "fight" for your chance at a Platinum back in the day, but it's definitely not like that anymore.
Well, I'm with Chubigans on this one. I've made trophy pack files, and it's as easy as flipping a switch from a plat game or a non-plat game.
I'm sure the devs wanted to, they can have their games have a platinum and Sony won't object.
The thing is that trophy bugs can easily fail your game at certification. If I had a choice with my games, I would make as few trophies as possible, and that's why Sony is giving the choice.
I agree.
E.g. Civilization V has 287 achievements and I think that's justified, given how long you can play that game.
Wait... people are upset about trophies? They seem of very little importance to me tbh. Not sure why they should matter.
Wait... people are upset about trophies? They seem of very little importance to me tbh. Not sure why they should matter.
Not worth the price if´s its doesn´t have a plat.
Gonna wait for a sale.
Guess i'll have to pass on this.
I'm not going to avoid buying a game without a platinum, but it is pretty disappointing when games don't have one. Especially with digital games moving into the $19.99 bracket; I was surprised when I saw Galak-Z didn't have one.
Is your wife logged into her account on PS4? Nearly every game I've played co-op has earned trophies for both players, even when the other player was set to Guest.
Well, I'm with Chubigans on this one. I've made trophy pack files, and it's as easy as flipping a switch from a plat game or a non-plat game.
I'm sure the devs wanted to, they can have their games have a platinum and Sony won't object.
The thing is that trophy bugs can easily fail your game at certification. If I had a choice with my games, I would make as few trophies as possible, and that's why Sony is giving the choice.
Bad!!! Baaad maniac-kun!Who gives a shit?
Considering there is a Back to the Future with Platinum and 'one' without, I'm wondering if it is at all Sony. It is twice the same game, two different Trophy structures.(For another example of inconsistencies, look up The Walking Dead Season 1 and The Walking Dead Season 2. Both games are exactly the same in structure, but the way the trophy lists are made is completely different)
Didn't I say that I wouldn't play them? No. Does it add an extra layer of challenge that can enhance my experience in some games? Definitely. Getting the Platinum in P4AU is one of my biggest gaming accomplishments, even if it isn't that hard to get.How did you ever play games before achievements? Yes, they're there now so having a better system is better than a bad one, but damn. People used to play games to play games. If a meaningless trophy list is what gets you excited about a game, there's something wrong.
Let me have my Platinums, Sony!
Disappointing that something like Galak-Z was missing it.
I'm not sure how Sony does their trophies.
Some small indie games have platinums. Rogue Legacy, Sound Shapes, Resogun, Geometry Wars 3, N++ to name a couple.
Then games like Galak Z which is hard as balls doesn't have one.
Those sites aren't giving the points, the points system is in the entire system from the start. It determines when you gain a level.Well this is more to blame on the sites that give points worth on trophy types.
For example, Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes can take around 20 hours to fully complete. It has 15 trophies, but no Platinum:
I would love a game to have only two trophies/achievements.
- Start the game
- Beat the game
I think it would be pretty funny.
I really dont see how this is any kind of concern... its a trophy... its not real
Funnily enough The Order: 1886, which can be completed much quicker, has a platinum trophy. Resogun and Infamous: First Light were apparently also exceptions when it comes to shorter/smaller games.
I've noticed, that several of Sony's games seem to have more gold trophies than the 3rd party titles. All three above, and Driveclub & Bloodborne, have 5-7 golds. Whereas something like Dragon Age: Inquisition and Destiny have only 2.
I really dont see how this is any kind of concern... its a trophy... its not real
And video games are?
I would love a game to have only two trophies/achievements.
- Start the game
- Beat the game
I think it would be pretty funny.
OP. Read it completely.Wait... people are upset about trophies? They seem of very little importance to me tbh. Not sure why they should matter.
So Trine 2 takes 30 minutes to platinum...thank OP will do at some point
I think this was a dev confusion, for GALAK-Z. They didn't believe "small-scale" games were allowed trophies, when many have them (as you listed). As a result, the potential replayability of their game has been harmed, for many people.
Achievement parity whinging...
I swear I'm losing all faith in humanity.
Who cares about trophies and achievements THAT much?
Wait, so every game can have a platinum, but some devs choose not to have them? Why the hell not?
Hiyo. Am logging in for the first time in 2 years purely for Wario64's benefit, to let him know that I am listening, but have just been slammed after returning from last week's media tour to San Francisco.
Regarding the lack of the Platinum Trophy, Wario64 and the rest of the Internet are correct: There isn't one. I was mistaken about the Platinum, and will explain the lack of one.
When we were formulating the full trophy list, we actually had a *massive* list of possible trophies. There are two trophy types: small scale, and large scale. The scale doesn't seem to have anything to do with the scale or scope of the game (i.e. puzzle game vs. an MMO), it's all down to what the developer chooses to do. Personally I wanted to go large scale, to give people lots of things to try and achieve, from simple score-based achievements, to how many times you could loop the Voyage mode, to countless other variations ranging from simple for newcomers to insane for veterans.
However, after retooling the concept internally, by the time we put our foot on the gas and went into full production, we actually had less than 6 months to complete the game, which despite Lumines being 'just a puzzle game' was actually a tremendous amount of work, because we weren't just dealing with regular milestones, but also various other internal milestones, in which our team was putting in massive amounts of overtime. As I learned during the process, the QA testing period was incredibly detailed --as any tester can attest to-- and the decision was made to go 'small scale' for trophies, because not only would they all need to be individually tested, the more we added, the more things would need to be translated into EFIGS languages, and the more potentially game-breaking bugs could surface; which wasn't worth the risk of missing our ultimate deadline -- Vita launch.
The director of the game --and I'm not trying to assign any sort of blame here-- having looked at the trophy 'rules' for PlayStation 3 games, and saw that Platinums were automatically unlocked by obtaining the rest of the trophies in the game, assumed that it would also be the same with Vita. As our first Vita title, we were learning a lot of things on the fly, and saw no reason to assume there would be any change for Vita trophies (for the record, I haven't checked if automatic Platinums are indeed unlocked on PS3 by this method; it's just the understanding we had at the time). So when people began asking if LES would feature a Platinum trophy, and I asked our director who told me "Yes, we have a Platinum, but it's unlocked automatically once people obtain the rest," and so I answered in kind on the PS Blog where the soundtrack was announced.
As I have since discovered, our information was inaccurate, and I apologize to people who thought they would receive a Platinum. There is no reason we would exclude it, but just didn't realize it wouldn't unlock. The reason I hadn't explicitly said 'you obtain it by unlocking the rest of the trophies' was because we thought people would unlock it automatically, and wanted to retain a small element of pleasant surprise.
I realize that a Platinum is desirable by a lot of game players, and am looking into whether we can add one, and how much work it would take. These things are never as simple as you might think, due to submission, testing, and certification processes, but I am checking into it. I would hope that you enjoy the game regardless, but I regret this oversight. If we are able to add a Platinum, I'll be sure to update things here, on our Facebook page, and via Twitter. Thanks for understanding.
Check out this game:
http://psnprofiles.com/trophies/2339-Aabs-Animals/
OP - you have many gratitude as well.
Simple reason. If you want fifty achievements, it is a lot easier to get parity on the PS3-PS4 with a lot of bronze trophies. Sony doesn't have to achieve parity so they can do a lower amount of Trophies with more Silver and Gold. They still get about the same value. For instance, Dragon Age is worth 1335 points while The Order is only 1230 despite more gold.
All games with a Platinum are about 1100-1350 points.Interestingly, First Light is also worth 1230 points. Dunno how much Resogun is worth without the DLCs. Journey and The Vanishing of Ethan Carter are only 300-315 points. Seems like a big difference with similar size titles.
Check out this game:
http://psnprofiles.com/trophies/2339-Aabs-Animals/
Wait... people are upset about trophies? They seem of very little importance to me tbh. Not sure why they should matter.