Increasing production for the start of the generation means nothing because they are not going to only sell 10 million in the lifetime of the console, so there’s zero risk in making them now.
I haven’t seen anyone question their ability to make consoles, or sell them. People are saying they’ll sell 10 million on launch. They won’t.
Except the digital one where they sell software they wont have to pay: shipping, packing costs, third parties selling their games, used fees not going to them etc
taking a hit on their digital console they can make back easy when people have to buy games in their store
What’s the launch window to you? 12 months? 6 months?They’re increasing production because they’re confident they can ship, sell, and make an increased profit by the end of this fiscal year.
Launch window isn’t launch, and no one said 10M on day 1. They will sell 10M during the launch window.
Yep, agreed.Are people forgetting how Sony did it last time? Microsoft announced the xbox one price and Sony re did their price for the E3 show.
Sony will either match or undercut the series x price.
Aside from this game of chicken with pricing and exact release date both Sony and MS have done to the last minute which never happened this late in the game, the rest of the reveal (system) has been pretty standard for MS, but totally wacky for Sony.1) 10tf is a good estimate for next gen
2) rumours put xsx at 12 and ps5 at 9
3) rumours ps5 is clocked crazy high to avoid being under spec
4) rumours of 2 xboxs
5) rumours that ps5 is now considering 2 sku
6) rumours xsx cant be 12 tf
7) Xsx confirmed at 12tf
8) claims ps5 will be 15tf
9) ps5 is 9tf overclocked to 10 tf ( sometimes)
10) rumours xbx is waiting for sony price reveal and will undercut
11) claims sony is ignoring what ms is doing and will soon reveal price (months later still nothing)
12) xss price leaks.. ms confirms xsx price
13 ) sony rumoured to be changing pricing
Whats obvious is ms has had a plan from the start.. and its all playing out how they planned ( for hardware .. halo not so much lol).
Will sony now consider a lower spec ps5? They downgraded the ps3 a lot before ( 2 hdmi ports, less active spu) just after ( removed ps2 compat) release to save money.
What now ...
How does Xbox All Access work people who already have Gamepass for several years?None of this matters. Xbox All Access takes the sting out their price for even the lowest income gamers. 25-35 bucks a month...plus game pass in included in the deal? Thats what im doing when i get it.
Sony needs to pay attention this instead of fabricating unnecessary demand by having people answer Nathan Drake trivia to be given the right to preorder.
Hmmm.... a 400 Euro Ps5 would be a big money loser in the short term for Sony, but in the long run it I believe would be a killer blow to Microsoft, another generation of being a distant number three would pretty much kill the hardware part of Microsofts gaming plans, which would again in the long run Leave Sony as the dominant player in an entire sector of the industry(just like Nintendo have the hybrid market all to themselves now and are thriving)
Could be worth it in the end
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Even right now, nobody even has a hands-on demo of it from any game site. ...
Well I did say Hardware side, and wouldn't Sony want that?Yeah I think Sony's priority is to permanently knock Microsoft out of gaming.
Are people forgetting how Sony did it last time? Microsoft announced the xbox one price and Sony re did their price for the E3 show.
Sony will either match or undercut the series x price.
they lost an even bigger lead when the $299 360 came out....RROD and allThey’d be mad to take a loss on the hardware. There’s no way on this earth Xbox will outsell Playstation, even if PS5 costs more. Far too many people bought into the ecosystem already - it would take an absolute disaster on Sony’s part to lose the lead they have.
$399 PS5 is probably at least a $150 loss for sony. do those digital sales earn enough for sony to recoup $150 per user?
Report: Sony struggling with PS5 costs, price point uncertain
Bloomberg says the system currently costs $450 to makewww.polygon.com
That's for the full disk drive version. Without a 20-30 dollar part and licensing (yes Sony does pay licencing for UHD blu ray), it's a rather small loss to hit 399. Not 150 by a long stretch, and then the digital edition ensures higher margin sales, no used games, etc.
That cost of 450 is manufacturing, there's a lot more that goes on top before it hits market.
Same with the XSX. And according to Zhuge the XSXs BOM is higher than the PS5s.That cost of 450 is manufacturing, there's a lot more that goes on top before it hits market.
Sony was quick on the draw in 2013 when MS revealed their price. That's probably because they had good news...
Hey sircaw ,if you are still working on that FUD list our freshly banned friend here saved you the trouble, there's at least 5 new points to add to the list.1) 10tf is a good estimate for next gen
2) rumours put xsx at 12 and ps5 at 9
3) rumours ps5 is clocked crazy high to avoid being under spec
4) rumours of 2 xboxs
5) rumours that ps5 is now considering 2 sku
6) rumours xsx cant be 12 tf
7) Xsx confirmed at 12tf
8) claims ps5 will be 15tf
9) ps5 is 9tf overclocked to 10 tf ( sometimes)
10) rumours xbx is waiting for sony price reveal and will undercut
11) claims sony is ignoring what ms is doing and will soon reveal price (months later still nothing)
12) xss price leaks.. ms confirms xsx price
13 ) sony rumoured to be changing pricing
Whats obvious is ms has had a plan from the start.. and its all playing out how they planned ( for hardware .. halo not so much lol).
Will sony now consider a lower spec ps5? They downgraded the ps3 a lot before ( 2 hdmi ports, less active spu) just after ( removed ps2 compat) release to save money.
What now ...
2) rumours put xsx at 12 and ps5 at 9
1) 10tf is a good estimate for next gen
2) rumours put xsx at 12 and ps5 at 9
3) rumours ps5 is clocked crazy high to avoid being under spec
4) rumours of 2 xboxs
5) rumours that ps5 is now considering 2 sku
6) rumours xsx cant be 12 tf
7) Xsx confirmed at 12tf
8) claims ps5 will be 15tf
9) ps5 is 9tf overclocked to 10 tf ( sometimes)
10) rumours xbx is waiting for sony price reveal and will undercut
11) claims sony is ignoring what ms is doing and will soon reveal price (months later still nothing)
12) xss price leaks.. ms confirms xsx price
13 ) sony rumoured to be changing pricing
Whats obvious is ms has had a plan from the start.. and its all playing out how they planned ( for hardware .. halo not so much lol).
Will sony now consider a lower spec ps5? They downgraded the ps3 a lot before ( 2 hdmi ports, less active spu) just after ( removed ps2 compat) release to save money.
What now ...
Are people forgetting how Sony did it last time? Microsoft announced the xbox one price and Sony re did their price for the E3 show.
Sony will either match or undercut the series x price.
Yep, agreed.
there’s no way they match the S though without absolutely burning through all their money.
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They don’t need to because you won’t see Apple drop their price to match the new OnePlus. PlayStation is a far far far bigger market leading brand.Agreed!
Nor should they. The XSS is nowhere near as powerful or advanced as the PS5. The XSS can't even play games that are enhanced for the older, last generation XB One X. Sony doesn't have to match the XSS' price. Personally, I believe that Sony will price the cheaper PS5 DE at $399 - $450, with the regular, physical disk PS5 matching the XSX at $499.
Are people forgetting how Sony did it last time? Microsoft announced the xbox one price and Sony re did their price for the E3 show.
Sony will either match or undercut the series x price.
They don’t need to because you won’t see Apple drop their price to match the new OnePlus. PlayStation is a far far far bigger market leading brand.
The XSS is every bit as “advanced” as the PS5 though. It’s the same architecture across the board. It just has a weaker GPU.
I wonder how much they were originally going to charge, supposedly.