The_Spaniard
Netmarble
I'm thinking at this point I'm going to wait a week for CES to wrap and all the info to get out about the new 2017 TV tech, and then start to eyeball sites for when the 2016 65" C6/E6s start dropping in price.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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Tallshortman
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What like a public opinion poll? Lol if they think anyone considers their brand equal to Samsung.
molnizzle
Member
So I'm in the process of building a new home with another dedicated media room. Fully blacked out, dark paint and carpet, etc. Am I right in assuming that with an OLED TV, I won't be able to perceive the "black bars" when watching content that isn't 16:9? I've never been able to test this on an OLED screen in a fully blacked out room.
In the media room of my current house I use a 1080p projector thrown to a 106" screen with an adjustable aspect ratio. After years of using this and not seeing "black bars" it's incredibly jarring now. Especially at the cinema; when did they get lazy and stop adjusting their own screens for each film? Weeeeak.
Anyway, will OLED achieve what I'm looking for? I was thinking it would since there's no actual light emitted from the black bars.
...right?
In the media room of my current house I use a 1080p projector thrown to a 106" screen with an adjustable aspect ratio. After years of using this and not seeing "black bars" it's incredibly jarring now. Especially at the cinema; when did they get lazy and stop adjusting their own screens for each film? Weeeeak.
Anyway, will OLED achieve what I'm looking for? I was thinking it would since there's no actual light emitted from the black bars.
...right?
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Ouch. So much for the "new OLEDs". Maybe next year? :/
Oh, little more than an hour until Samsung's presentation. Their QLEDs sound interesting with 1500 to 2000 nits and better viewing angles.
Oh, little more than an hour until Samsung's presentation. Their QLEDs sound interesting with 1500 to 2000 nits and better viewing angles.
This has put me over the edge to getting the 65" B6 OLED. The idea of buying one at a place with price protection seems a great strategy -- no stressing about shopping upcoming Super Bowl sales. Something to note -- I just chatted with Amazon to see if you can get multiple price matches if the price drops more than once, and they said you can only use the low price guarantee one time.
Something else to check -- my credit card also has price protection, so that's another protection against a price drop.
Is East Coast TVs legit? Their prices are incredibly low.
Something else to check -- my credit card also has price protection, so that's another protection against a price drop.
Is East Coast TVs legit? Their prices are incredibly low.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
Surprised by the 10% figure. I wonder if they're having development troubles.
A lot of 2017 4K UHD sets are launching at nice price points. It's going to be a blood bath next Black Friday.
A lot of 2017 4K UHD sets are launching at nice price points. It's going to be a blood bath next Black Friday.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Well I'm just gonna put this out there, current HDR TV owners and prospective owners, do yourself a favour and watch Smurfs 2 4K Blu! Oh man it's just ridiculously good in places, absolute demo material for people who want to justify their purchase and wow others. Native 4K and all 98% DCI 
They're rumored to be unveiling consumer OLEDs tonight
NYR
Member
Jump in and buy a 2016 model. Don't worry about this HDR shit, as long as you support one standard, you'll be fine.
Exact opposite. Jump on the 2016 models.
Nice. Will have to consider that in the context of inevitable process drops on last year's higher tier products/brands.
Caayn
Member
Black on a OLED is as black as it can get in your room. I need the stand-by light to tell me that the my OLED TV is off and not just displaying a black screen.
NYR
Member
LG E6 owner here. Can completely confirm you will never have an issue with black bars not being black, OLED, by definition, allows you to turn on and off each pixel, which means those black bars are "off", which means true black. Never had any issue with the black bars, I know what you are talking about too, I am a former edge lit LED owner, so I know what you mean when the black bars are lit up.
holygeesus
Banned
This. You can't see an OLED in a dark room when black is displayed. That is kinda their selling point. Still blows my mind though when I see it.
It would seem, that light output is not likely to be increased to anything like LCD standards, with OLED tech, for some time, if the 10% mentioned above is anything to go by. Makes a clear divide between the two formats to me. Of course that only becomes an issue, when HDR material becomes more widespread.
spookyfish
Member
How is there more 4K content than 3D, in terms of physical and digital content? I have more than 250 3D BDs, and that's not nearly all of them. There aren't 100 4K discs available -- and 3D is still being produced. (BTW, not talking about gaming - but eveyone posting that has a point ...)
AND -- most 4K media right now is just 2K upconverted, not worth the price of admission. Give me a full 4K interpositive -- which more movies will be doing in the future -- and then we'll talk.
EDIT: I still maintain that active 3D was the mistake. I was never interested in it until full HD passive was available. If they would push that with 4K, then ... but, here we are.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
I saw something about Panasonic's EZ1002 being twice as bright as LG's offerings (peak brightness), which would be super dope. No DV though, which blows. Dolby doesn't seem to be chasing these guys too hard.
4K is an invisible upgrade. It will surpass 3D's penetration numbers in no time (if it hasn't already).
NYR
Member
I don't believe that, it's marketing speak. In the same press release, they state the EZ1002 is "the first HDR-capable Ultra HD OLED TV".
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
AddiF
Member
So.... info on the 2017 LG OLEDs is getting out from CES.
Will it be worth waiting to buy the 2017 or is the upgrade minimal? I see it has 21ms input lag, compared to 33ms if I recall correctly and more HDR support. Is that pretty much all the upgrade? Need some serious TV-heads to guide me here haha
Will it be worth waiting to buy the 2017 or is the upgrade minimal? I see it has 21ms input lag, compared to 33ms if I recall correctly and more HDR support. Is that pretty much all the upgrade? Need some serious TV-heads to guide me here haha
NYR
Member
So.... info on the 2017 LG OLEDs is getting out from CES.
Will it be worth waiting to buy the 2017 or is the upgrade minimal? I see it has 21ms input lag, compared to 33ms if I recall correctly and more HDR support. Is that pretty much all the upgrade? Need some serious TV-heads to guide me here haha
Where are you seeing 21ms input lag? The owner of AVS Forums asked LG today and they said it will be the same as current models of around 30ms, they said there has to be sacrifices made to get lower than 30 that effect picture quality and tone mapping.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...61-lg-oled-tvs-ces-2017-a-3.html#post49550169
The 2017 OLEDs are basically the same, with some minor details. Buy a 2016 if you can:
1) Increase in peak brightness, but may only net 10% increase in nits on a full screen HDR screen
2) Addition of two new HDR "formats" - HLG and Technicolor HDR
3) Now covers 99 percent of DCI color space
4) No more 3D on any model
5) No more curved on any model
6) Here is the model design differences, same screen:
B7: crescent stand, "blade slim" look
C7: premium aluminum stand and bezel
E7: picture-on-glass design with integrated sound bar
G7: picture-on-glass design with foldable integrated sound bar
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
So.... info on the 2017 LG OLEDs is getting out from CES.
Will it be worth waiting to buy the 2017 or is the upgrade minimal? I see it has 21ms input lag, compared to 33ms if I recall correctly and more HDR support. Is that pretty much all the upgrade? Need some serious TV-heads to guide me here haha
Read the last page and half...
So.... info on the 2017 LG OLEDs is getting out from CES.
Will it be worth waiting to buy the 2017 or is the upgrade minimal? I see it has 21ms input lag, compared to 33ms if I recall correctly and more HDR support. Is that pretty much all the upgrade? Need some serious TV-heads to guide me here haha
It looks like the "biggest" change is a 25% increase to peak brightness and a 10% increase to overall brightness...which is incremental at best.
No word on the upcoming (gamechanging) HDMI 2.1 support, although it's almost guaranteed that will never make it into the 2016 variants.
Lastly, the W model was announced, which is 1/10 of an inch thick (no price yet)
GitarooMan
Member
So how long do I have roughly to get a 2016 C6?
vpance
Member
They said 2x conventional OLED TVs. At best It'll be similar to LGs latest. Same goes for Sony, probably.
Hoping Sammy's QLEDs are a contender.
Looks like my next TV upgrade will be whichever supports both HDMI 2.1 and variable refresh for gaming.. when consoles support it too anyway. Until then, my C6 will continue to do me nicely.
I'm baffled as to why Samsung are still messing about improving LCD though. Just put that investment in to a new TV technology and leave LCD in the past where it belongs.
I'm baffled as to why Samsung are still messing about improving LCD though. Just put that investment in to a new TV technology and leave LCD in the past where it belongs.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
"Conventional OLED" LG is the only one making them lol. I used to use the Sony PVMA170 for work, but I doubt they're talking about that panel. (I don't even think Sony makes that panel.)
I was just looking at those QLED Samsungs...interesting.
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/1/4/14162106/new-samsung-qled-tv-announced-4k-ces-2017
NYR
Member
You can still find a 2015 OLED online if you really want it, but I wouldn't wait much longer, especially not to April, stores will need to make room on the show floor for new models. Personally, the buzz online is that people who waited for the 2017 models are going to go out and buy the 2016 model since the 2017s are an incremental increase, so I expect supply to diminish.
Keep in mind LG is killing curved TVs so if people want a curved, they have limited options now.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
looks like nothing to worry about slaying the 2016 models this year.
*sits back and enjoys his E6*
*sits back and enjoys his E6*
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Heh, yeah.
GitarooMan
Member
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
I'm ready.
RE: their battle with OLED
Samsung is betting on the difference in brightness being a bigger deal than their distance from absolute black.
Unknown Soldier
Member
HDMI Forum: "It's time to tank TV sales this year guys"
LMAO nothing like a new HDMI announcement to completely destroy my desire to buy a new TV this year. My X900A lives on!
LMAO nothing like a new HDMI announcement to completely destroy my desire to buy a new TV this year. My X900A lives on!
MorshuTheTrader
Neo Member
NYR
Member
DO IT. Things that will use 2.1 are a half decade away at the earliest, like you mentioned, maybe PS5, but that might be well into the 2020s, so don't worry about it.
Buy now and you won't regret it.
Oh, I was not only counting UHD BD but also the 4K content available via streaming and download services such as Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, etc.
You're right in that a lot of it isn't true 4K due to the source being mastered in 2K and such.
Ultimately I just mean that sets will continue to grow in resolution, even if the content isn't there. 4K will become the standard (if it hasn't already considering even budget brands are UHD now).
Unfortunately 3D has diminished since it wasn't included in the UHD spec. Passive 3D on OLED is the best you can get, so get a 2016 LG set while you can.
NYR
Member
Meh. New HDMI standard every 3 years and it takes 2+ years for standardization when things really start to use it. I am not worried about support for 8K, we barely have any 4K content nowadays relative to 1080p.
vpance
Member
Conventional OLEDs they made in their lab a few years ago probably
The QLEDs are edge lit but supposedly they figured a way to minimize the usual issues.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
I'm more interested in Sasmsung's QLEDs this year. They're claiming 100% DCI color space coverage and up to 2000 nits of brightness, this is insane. Also, better viewing angles.