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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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ZombieNapoleon
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Thank you much! I'm watching the prices like a hawk for the next few weeks. Amazon already has it down now.
NYR
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Yeah, brightness is an issue when you first boot up the TV, it is jarring coming from an LCD.
Once you calibrate though, you really get used to it and it isn't so bad, if anything, you realize LCD/LED TVs are a bit too bright. It's not even an issue for me anymore, even in HDR.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
It's all highly dependent on your own personal room space and lighting.
$25k
George Claw M.D.
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So with all the big players having announced their 2017 lineup, there's quite a bit for me to digest, and even more info like technical specs and pricing we still need. It'll probably be awhile for all the relevant info to fully be released. But things seems a lot more complicated than I anticipated before today. HDMI 2.1, Sony OLED, abandonment of 3D, etc..
My initial gut feeling is to jump-in on the 2016 OLEDs before they're gone, now. My worry is that with them being the last and greatest 3D displays, they may become highly coveted and not drop in price much if at all.
And with HDMI 2.1 and all it's wonderful features likely coming 2018 at the earliest, 2017 sets are kind of in no-man's land, but for likely a premium price.
But like I said, a lot to digest and still more info to come.
My initial gut feeling is to jump-in on the 2016 OLEDs before they're gone, now. My worry is that with them being the last and greatest 3D displays, they may become highly coveted and not drop in price much if at all.
And with HDMI 2.1 and all it's wonderful features likely coming 2018 at the earliest, 2017 sets are kind of in no-man's land, but for likely a premium price.
But like I said, a lot to digest and still more info to come.
That's confirmed???
Thebeardofknowledge
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I currently have 15k for new tv and setup for my HT
guitarguy316
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The new LG E7; looks identical to my E6 minus the leveling base, it is bigger and lifted which means the TV isn't flat all the way - E6 still my favorite TV design.
Agree, I like how my E6 is flat at the base, I wouldn't like it elevated like that. Looks goofy with the soundbar raised.
DangerMouse
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ShutterMunster
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It looks like Samsung stole the show on the TV front this year. I have a few friends covering the show for The Verge and Engadget and they're beyond impressed.
EDIT: Lot of praise coming in for LG sets too. This ones a toss up, lol.
EDIT: Lot of praise coming in for LG sets too. This ones a toss up, lol.
Wow. $25k.
Tallshortman
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They only announced their higher end sets, I'm sure the high-mid range X800 series will continue.
Honestly, the LG 2017 OLED HDTVs are worthwhile solely for no ABL under <150 nits for SDR content especially if they're priced at $2000 and $3000 for 55" & 65" respectively on their lower models. That's if you care about a professionally calibrated picture and if you're sensitive to the ABL though.LG passing out press releases at the show stating their 2017 Oled sets have 21ms of input lag!!
This is great news! Also LG Stated today that ABL will not kick in if the tv is setup for 150nits or under for sdr which is perfect for a calibrated set
Look like they fixed a lot of problems I Had with the c6 I had ( input lag and abl ). Just hoping it doesn't have a piss stain in the middle that the c6 I had and uniformity at near black is improved more.
Link:
https://disqus.com/by/flatpanels/?
finalflame
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Looks like 2017 is the year of OLED for me boys. I knew waiting for the real deal 2017 OLEDs was worth it. Bring on the non-ABL and 21ms input lag!
I like how this is the opposite reaction of most people, haha.
And where is that input lag number from?
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
That and whats the input lag while playing in 4k with HDR?
finalflame
Member
Here it is:
LG passing out press releases at the show stating their 2017 Oled sets have 21ms of input lag!!
This is great news! Also LG Stated today that ABL will not kick in if the tv is setup for 150nits or under for sdr which is perfect for a calibrated set
Look like they fixed a lot of problems I Had with the c6 I had ( input lag and abl ). Just hoping it doesn't have a piss stain in the middle that the c6 I had and uniformity at near black is improved more.
Link:
https://disqus.com/by/flatpanels/?
I'll also consider Samsung's QLED offerings, but either way my KS8000 is getting replaced
Reallink
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Wait, LG are passing out press kits with input lag bullet points? Gotta see pics of this, that's completely unprecedented, no manufacturer has ever even acknowledged input lag in an official capacity on a Television. The Vizio Exec/CM last year on AVS or Twitter disseminating placation to the rabid mob is the closest we've ever seen.
This is the year of meh. The only thing that could save it is consumer friendly pricing from LG and Sony.
HDMI 2.1 sounds like an absolute must have. Variable refresh rates sounds amazing.
NYR
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Press kits are already out for the majority of the major releases. Unless you're talking about real testing.
vivftp
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I'm curious to see how the new Samsungs will compare against the Z9 series TVs for image quality. I'm still going to guess the Z9 will be superior if only due to the edge lit vs. master backlight drive tech.
I was watching the Sony conference at work so I couldn't give it my full attention, but when I heard Kaz mention Crystal LED my heart skipped for a moment in hopes that CLED consumer displays might be ready. Alas, he was just talking about the CLEDIS display, oh well.
Barring any unforseen expenses I should be buying my new TV later this year. I would hope to have it in time for Destiny 2's arrival so I can enjoy that game in the best possible way. I'll keep my eye on the Sony OLEDs. Unless they're EXTREMELY expensive, I'd like to get the 65".
Yeah, I've never heard of that either.
Need real tests though. Can't really trust PR.
150 nits is the same as last year, they're just making it a marketing point now for some reason.
With variable refresh rate support, 8K60 and 4K120 now officially included in HDMI 2.1, I'm waiting for displays which support that.
I expected them to at least support fixed refresh rate HFR (4K120) even if they didn't include VRR support.
holygeesus
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Well I've woken up to IMO disappointing news from Sony. Even before anything else, that sloped design kills any enthusiasm I have for it. I also see nothing in it, that would sway people who have been waiting to jump into OLED - the ZD9 is still a far, far better TV for HDR and the Sony will still have the shortfalls of the other 2017 panels. 2.1 is the real plus point, but if it's not due till 2018 anyway, other sets next year will likely have the same spec anyway, so it will still be a waiting game for many.
I was hoping the rumours of targeting mainstream consumers was true, but I can't see those sets being cheap. Meh.
I was hoping the rumours of targeting mainstream consumers was true, but I can't see those sets being cheap. Meh.
Tarin02543
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HDMI 2.1 variable refresh rates is the best news from CES for me.
If the price and performance is comparable I will get the Sony just because it has Android TV and Google Assistant
holygeesus
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WebOS is far superior to Android on TV. There is no contest.
There is actually some truth to that. If I have an all-white image on the screen, viewing at an angle introduces tinting.
allangelsgone
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Can't believe some people are falling for QLED markering. This is LCD all the way, check out these "blacks" in a well lit area. Now I'm going with B6 with no worries about 2017 year being much better.
Caayn
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I'm kinda surprised that Sony went for a stand that makes it impossible to put the TV straight unless you mount it. Causing you to always view it under an angle.
Wonder how they stack up against LG's own OLEDs and Panasonics' OLEDs. Especially on brightness, motion and IR as that seemed to be a major issues for some people here.
Wonder how they stack up against LG's own OLEDs and Panasonics' OLEDs. Especially on brightness, motion and IR as that seemed to be a major issues for some people here.
Can't believe some people are falling for QLED markering. This is LCD all the way, check out these "blacks" in a well lit area. Now I'm going with B6 with no worries about 2017 year being much better.
LOL people at AVforum are quite dissapointed with Samsung. For whatever reason some people here really fall for "QLED" marketing term which is not even real QLED. The tech was similiar to Sony previous Triluminos quantum dot as a matter of fact.
I highly doubt it even bettter than Sony ZD9 series.
Can't believe some people are falling for QLED markering. This is LCD all the way, check out these "blacks" in a well lit area. Now I'm going with B6 with no worries about 2017 year being much better.
Yep, it's the same marketing strategy as "LED TV" from a few years back. People bought in thinking it was a new screen tech, not realizing it was just the same old LCD with LED backlights instead of a fluorescent light.
All 3 of their "QLED" TVs this year are going to be LED edge-lit, that should kill anyone's hopes that this might be an "OLED Killer" lol. As seen in the pic you posted, the blacks are very shitty.
Buying an edge lit TV is such a gamble. There are numerous issues that any panel you bring home could end up having.
Night Hunter
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Yeah, it's ridiculous. This is still Edge Lit LED through and through.
It's funny how every year you hear the same thing. Oh, they finally solved the issues. Until you see the Tvs, and guess what.
allangelsgone
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From what I've read yesterday before bed, all of the new Samsungs are edge-lit LCD even Q9. Which means that this year's KS9800 is probably a better TV for HDR with it's full array backlight.
EDIT* Beaten by The Beard.
I'm just bought into the Google Home / Chromecast ecosystem and love it. I would rather have that functionality built in natively than use a Chromecast.
Wow did Samsung really have nothing to show outside of aesthetic improvements for a TV? They'll sell for their name and marketing hype, once again, while Sony and LG will be where the picture enthusiasts go. LGs OLEDs will carry on their dominating run. But Sony really came out swinging this year. I'm hoping their processing, which is the same as the Z9 addresses my only issue with LGs and thats the occasional judder. Maybe LG addressed this as well. And maybe Sony can get android tv sorted out bug/jankiness wise.
Funny that Sony uses the screen as its speaker though. And funny they're still pushing the Z9 as the daddy mack when more people will say their OLED is the way to go. Guess they have a lot of Z9s to move yet.
Will have to see both in person. Ill just move my old OLED to another room. The added brightness is meh, HDR still looks the best with OLED. LGs lower reported input lag will be welcome.
Still cant believe Samsung had NOTHING of importance and just pandering more to the people who worry what the set looks like rather than what the picture looks like. When they bet on the wrong OLED tech which failed that must have set them back big time. Wow.
Funny that Sony uses the screen as its speaker though. And funny they're still pushing the Z9 as the daddy mack when more people will say their OLED is the way to go. Guess they have a lot of Z9s to move yet.
Will have to see both in person. Ill just move my old OLED to another room. The added brightness is meh, HDR still looks the best with OLED. LGs lower reported input lag will be welcome.
Still cant believe Samsung had NOTHING of importance and just pandering more to the people who worry what the set looks like rather than what the picture looks like. When they bet on the wrong OLED tech which failed that must have set them back big time. Wow.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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That HDMI 2.1 announcement has killed any enthusiasm I had for buying an OLED.
Sonys slanted design kills it for me as I don't want my TV wall mounted.
But really, the 2.1 is the nail in the coffin.
Just stick with my Sony KDL 50W829B for a while longer :/
Sonys slanted design kills it for me as I don't want my TV wall mounted.
But really, the 2.1 is the nail in the coffin.
Just stick with my Sony KDL 50W829B for a while longer :/
I'm still torn on that. Looking at that specification, which I'm usually all about new features, not much to get excited for. 8K? Good luck with that for the next few years. 4k/120p? Once again, very very niche. Added HDR functionality is the only thing of interest.
I'm more disappointed LG didnt get their stackable RGB tech or whatever they're calling it in these new panels. 99%+ DCI is good. Probably well into rec 2020.
Caayn
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HDMI 2.1 also allows for VRR and 10bit/12bit colour at 4K60Hz while using RGB or Chroma 4:4:4 which HDMI 2.0 isn't capable of. I'd say that those two extra features are a worthy step-up even for TV's that don't have a 120Hz or 8K panel.