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Fantastic post chubigans. I agree with everything you said.
Thank fuck!Mid-Gen upgrades means the death of maximum coding to the metal low level programming hardcore master champion blast processing brutal optimization.
How bad is it for xbox one owners, right now its the lcd. Games on it perform at a similar level to ps4, with some reduction in resolution in most cases. How would this be different?I think it will get even worse if you don't have the latest machine and it will be very hard to convince parents to buy a new videogame for their kids.
Oh wow, neogaf accepting this so easily is disturbing to say the least. I hope nintendo makes it clear that NX will not become iterative, cause it might be the only console i buy to complement my PC.
This kinda sounds like what led to the U.S. game industry crash - too many undifferentiated boxes on the market that play the same games.
Thank fuck!
It's not necessary at all.
Consoles were made to have x games in a x period of time, until another generation console appears and technical capabilities exceed those games with better graphics and performance (60 fps regardless of the resolution at the time imo).
With PS4K, Sony tries to match the performance of PS4 games as if it were a PC. But unfortunately the PS4K is already outdated before birth.
As Collin said. Why not Sony wait 2 more years and launches PS5 (as always it happens with consoles compared to PC) with the capability to run PS4 games as intended to do with the Neo?
Well-written but I'm skeptical the games as a service ecosystem works for the console audience. I also think manufacturers are losing a powerful marketing tool - the brand new generational launch and the ignorant price drop. How excited can you get about a mildly iterative console that plays the same games?
This kinda sounds like what led to the U.S. game industry crash - too many undifferentiated boxes on the market that play the same games.
My problem with this whole ordeal is that I already have a gaming PC. My iterative hardware needs are covered, so I buy consoles for something different, something fixed and paradigmatic. By removing that, you remove why I buy consoles in the first place.
So yeah, I'm not angry or anything remotely related to feeling my PS4 is being left behind or some shit, but with how much consoles cost in my country buying one ever few years simply isn't feasible, and that's where I take my leave from non-Nintendo console gaming.
Yet again... Spoon fed version:I haven't settled on an opinion on the matter. A more powerful console as an option for those who want it is cool, but I see two important issues worth discussing.
One, what happens to traditional console generations? If they are dead then where is the cutoff point? Will games practically be cross-gen for all eternity from now on?
Two, should the owners of the original PS4 give up on the idea of developers taking better advantage of their hardware over time? What is the incentive to optimize when you can just brute force better visuals through hardware?
I'm sure devs will be happy they don't have to focus as much on breaking themselves over tools and squeezing every last bit of power out and instead focus on the games.Yeah, mid-gen upgrade seems like a logical and practical approach. BUT, I'm really gonna miss those first party exclusive games 6 years down the line where we see our "last-gen" console doing things we never thought possible.
just list some negative of this business model for me.
- no more games design for the lastest iteration, good bye to exclusive that show hardware full potential.
- iterative hardware will be very predictable, 200% more powerful every 3 years, forever. Less excitement, less hype, less early adopter.
OP already cover all the possitive, I might add some.
- Enhancing games instead of go crazy with new hardware, save dev cost.
- opportunity to get more dollar per user from hardware.
The power jumps like we have seen in the past are growing farther and farther apart. A 10 fold jump in power over the ps4 wont be available at a cost the market will bear till the ps4 is 9 or 10 years old, unless we get some wild breakthrough.I haven't settled on an opinion on the matter. A more powerful console as an option for those who want it is cool, but I see two important issues worth discussing.
One, what happens to traditional console generations? If they are dead then where is the cutoff point? Will games practically be cross-gen for all eternity from now on?
Two, should the owners of the original PS4 give up on the idea of developers taking better advantage of their hardware over time? What is the incentive to optimize when you can just brute force better visuals through hardware?
The power jumps like we have seen in the past are growing farther and farther apart. A 10 fold jump in power over the ps4 wont be available at a cost the market will bear till the ps4 is 9 or 10 years old, unless we get some wild breakthrough.
You can still utilize the hardware at its full potential and then scale down for the weaker predecessors. For example, Rise of the Tomb Raider Xbox One vs Xbox 360. What I like about this new business model is that when you upgrade you can replay your existing games with a fresh coat of paint. Like say when you upgrade from that GTX 660 to a 980, you can crank up the details and experience your games at better fidelity and framerate. If they update UC4 for PS4k that will be a real treat for people who upgrade and get to re-experience it.
The power jumps like we have seen in the past are growing farther and farther apart. A 10 fold jump in power over the ps4 wont be available at a cost the market will bear till the ps4 is 9 or 10 years old, unless we get some wild breakthrough.
Price. They learned their lesson with the ps3, keep it under $500.I've gone back and forth like crazy on this, looking at the pro's and con's.
One thing i dont understand is why they made such a minor upgrade, if you want me to upgrade, make it a substantial upgrade. They are making devs put in all this extra effort to get a 2nd sku up and running and its only going to be a small difference.
Except Sony and MS's main target isn't parents. Parents have stopped being their primary market since circa 2012. The only one still actively courting parents is Nintendo.I think it will get even worse if you don't have the latest machine and it will be very hard to convince parents to buy a new videogame for their kids.
Tech is growing fast, but costs aren't going to come down fast enough for consoles to keep up, this model will help because there will be premium priced hardware to lessen the gap sooner.Some said tech grow too fast, console have to be iterative to keep up, some say tech grow too slow, console power jump won't be as big.
Which is it?
Price. They learned their lesson with the ps3, keep it under $500.
Yes. No.One question, did you own original 3ds and do you own a n3ds?
You want the industry to fall?Deep down I hope this is a disaster and pushes everyone to move to the PC.
Pretty one sided article, you don't even touch on any of the potential negatives.
You cannot maintain forward comparability forever. What happens when a developer wants to take advantage of the 16GB RAM on the PS5? What happens to consumer confusion regarding what games are supported on which platforms? What happens with the level of a playing field if an online game runs significantly better on one system than another?
How can you afford constant R&D costs if you aren't selling Apple numbers? What happens to firmware updates when the PS4 is holding back PS5.5's operation or security?
Deep down I hope this is a disaster and pushes everyone to move to the PC.
Outside exclusives, you weren't getting the best experience anyway.This absolutely pushes me away from gaming as a hobby. I used to build custom PCs, and spend hours upon hours optimizing and customizing my OS, etc.
I moved to consoles because I just don't care about that anymore. I want to go to Amazon/Target/BB/wherever, and pick up a game, and know I'm getting 'the best' experience [even if I know my current console isn't even close to 'best' tech].
I wanted out of the tech rat race -- I can justify dropping ~400 every 7-10 years. I have zero interest in chasing this. I don't want to have a subpar PS4, but I don't want to have to go drop more money. I was perfectly content being the target audience consoles were aimed at.
Oh well. I won't be particularly sad if I leave gaming altogether, so maybe this is for the best for me.
This isn't really a fair comparison. The New3DS was significantly cheaper, and handhelds are inherently more appealing devices to upgrade as by taking them around with you everywhere you go (as some people do), they can show signs of wear over time.One question, did you own original 3ds and do you own a n3ds?
You want the industry to fall?
It's definitely not as exciting as a proper next-gen console reveal, and I don't think we're looking at 40 million PS4Ks sold in three years. But that's not really the goal of all this to begin with, because for the first time it actually makes sense to think of this as a family of consoles, rather than single console lifetimes.
As far as the game industry crash, that happened for a host of reasons that aren't really represented of what's going on today. An unsuccessful PS4K wouldn't crash PS4 sales, since you could theoretically assume that the PS4 is cheaper because of its presence on the market, and will spur sales on its own.
That would be the end of gaming for me, can't stand pc's don't even own them I prefere a closed system any day of the week. I have a ps4 and an iPad and I'm happy don't need anything else it is zero fus. I don't have to do jack shit I can get right to playing games instead of jacking with shit all the time. I don't have time to jack with stuff there is fishing to do and shit to build.
As I posted in a similar thread, have the ps4 and the ps4k be compatible, then have the next iteration be only compatible with the ps4k, until the next platform.
With a 3 year console release cycle, you then essentially have a maximum 6 year life cycle for early adopters, which is pretty much the status quo now.
As I posted in a similar thread, have the ps4 and the ps4k be compatible, then have the next iteration be only compatible with the ps4k, until the next platform.
With a 3 year console release cycle, you then essentially have a maximum 6 year life cycle for early adopters, which is pretty much the status quo now.
i think it's part older gamers feeling 'too old for dis shit' and unwilling to change w/ the times, and part dreams of super powerful next gen consoles & reality of pricing colliding.
the reality of the situation is that in order to remain @ that $399 'sweet spot' these consoles just will not be able to be super powerful anymore. That's a reality - regardless of how deep Microsoft's pockets are as a whole - and this is how SONY is dealing with it, imo.
incremental updates, selling at or below cost.