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[Sad Affleck]

Can we ever return to discuss such things in light of all of this negativity and pitchfork mob behavior (and regardless of who was telling the truth)? I honestly don't know.

We can. For me NeoGAF isn't about a few members who think of themselves as prominent but about the community as a whole.

What bothers me here is that I've seen poster after poster who made Neogaf what I love take a voluntary ban.

We'll see whether or not others can pick up the slack. I think there are a lot of people here who are willing to contribute quality content.

 

[Zoggy]

List of mods who left?

 

[cormack12]

The anonymous moderating isn't truly 'anonymous' backend. The point of seperating accounts in other places I've been has been to:

1. Seperate the views from the moderator: People would be too 'afraid' to make their case against a moderator so they would come in, make a point, everyone would agree and then the thread would die;
2. A moderator would be assigned a moderation account. So someone123 would be Moderator001. They'd need to log in as the moderator to actually 'moderate'. But any audit logs would show it was that mod account assigned to that person so it wouldn't be open to abuse I guess;


It's debatable how effective it is, but there are pro's and cons to both approaches. Mods shouldn't be getting threatened with being doxxed etc.

 

[Billiam268]

If what has been said is true (which it seems to be from what I've read, and better informed people than I have the sense to leave) then this whole site should just be put into archive mode and abandoned, it was good whilst it lasted.

Didn't even know about any of the shit to do with evilore or the other mod who turned out to be a pedo until yesterday, looks like the ultimate milkshake duck is the guy who made the milkshake duck threads possible, see ya.

 

[Officerrob]

List of mods who left?

All of them

 

[LeroyPantwether]

Ah ok thanks, that's the impression I got

I thought mods were paid per ban ? Someone correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that part of the problem ? Weren't there quotas each month too ?

 

[cromofo]

We don't need anymore victim blaming. There's been enough already.

That's not victim blaming. It's a decent question.

 

[PhantomThief]

Evilore, you're a disgrace and I cannot in good conscience continue to post on this site while you run and profit from it. Your statement is piss-poor, though not quite as horribly offensive as the victim-blaming and gaslighting shite you tried to pull in the Waypoint article, and your history of this kind of behaviour towards women - you know, the ass-grabbing, the revenge porn - really damns you here. Your chickens are coming home to roost.

I can see why you'd want to nuke political and social discussion when it threatens to put a spotlight on your own ugly, predatory behaviours. But in your knee-jerk dropping of OT, however temporary, you have also thrown out many good and useful communities on the site that catered to the more vulnerable members of the site, such as Mental Health GAF.

And the new mod policy of complete anonymity is laughable. I can't see that going wrong at all. But then again maybe it'll be easier when people aren't allowed to discuss such thorny topics as whether the gaming community and its luminaries have shitty attitudes towards women!

Anyways, GAF is done for me. A new Era dawns, I'll see people there. Or not. If you stay here, enjoy the zombie GAF has become. The progressivism on this board was a major factor in me coming and staying here, without it, you're just another gaming forum and there's plenty of shitholes out there.

And if it makes banning me easier - you're a real piece of shit Evilore, fuck you.

Oh, and just in case it's necessary for authentication purposes or anything: I am the Zelias in some of the 'refugee' discords.

Resetera with mods like Beseda who let this place become what it is today? Yeah cant see that becoming a succes.

 

[BigBoss007]

So... This is actually the end of NeoGAF as we know it. I hope the website recovers its shape soon.

 

[metareferential]

I'm glad GAF is back, and I'm glad EviLore took the time (too little too late? Maybe, but it's there at least) to issue a statement.

In dubio pro reo is all I'm saying. I'll reserve any judgement when everything is settled. I haven't really followed the incident, since there's very little to discuss.

I don't really get all the drama and account suicides and whatnot.

GAF has been to me a great place with many great users; it would be a great loss having to part from it (even though I'm more of a lurker, and mostly from the gaming side).

 

[Meccs]

I always used neogaf for gaming related discussions and I will continue doing so if it stays up. I hope it stays up and I am glad it's back!

 

[kinggroin]

Is it safe to share a Discord chatroom for Movies and TV, made up of GAFers?

 

[Santerestil]

So nuking the OT had as result:

- moving the social discussions on the first page of gaming

- finally exposing the ugly truth about Evilore to the masses, forever

- giving the mods an excuse to jump the ship and clear their nicknames on another place

- show me a cool alternative forum to discuss about everything taboo here now

- let the alt-right juniors showing their true colors before returning fapping to incest porn on 8chan




Hey, it could be worse.

 

[mario_O]

Depends on how you define "survive". Fellow members are the reason to visit any internet forum and this event has driven a good chunk of long-time GAFers away. Only time will tell what kind of state the forum will end up in. It definitely won't be the same as before though.

Welp, new members will come.
I find it baffling that some people think they have a crystal ball or something.

 

[PhantomThief]

Is it safe to share a Discord chatroom for Movies and TV, made up of GAFers?

Sure I dont see why not

 

[B-Genius]

Not impressed with how the situation has been handled, and not comfortable with the direction this place seems to be taking.

Many will likely continue to find solace here. If you do, please just consider the message you're sending and the image you're endorsing.
I'm not condemning anyone, least of all other users and moderators, but I feel like this should serve as a wake-up call.

I love games. Making them and playing them are equal parts of my life.
But life is too short to be second-guessing yourself about your principles.
At the end of the day, we're all just sharing transient thoughts about digital experiences on an ultimately ethereal platform.
This makes it all the more important to maintain some sense of self-awareness and self-control.

I don't want to be a part of something whose leadership and followers show little to no sign of either of these things.
I've been a member here since 2005; made over 5,000 posts. That averages to about 1 post per day.
No doubt I'm on the lower end of the scale, but it's still a significant portion of time dedicated to reading/talking about games.

I'd rather that time was spent in comfort, and in the knowledge that I'm speaking with those of like-mind, or at least a similar level of maturity.
As of late, that's become increasingly difficult to do on here, and I feel this episode is the match in the powder keg.

If things don't take a major turn for the better, I'm fine with leaving this all behind.
I encourage others to do the same. Your memories, experiences and dignity will remain intact.

Hopefully whatever happens, I'll see some of you around, and we can eventually find a new place to share.
For now, it's time for a purge.

To current admin: I'd appreciate it if you didn't ban me (immediately), so I can re-establish links. Thanks.

 

[Officerrob]

Is it safe to share a Discord chatroom for Movies and TV, made up of GAFers?

Do you want it spammed and attacked? Be careful with discord invites right now no matter how you do it

 

[Usobuko]

I'm glad GAF is back, and I'm glad EviLore took the time (too little too late? Maybe, but it's there at least) to issue a statement.

In dubio pro reo is all I'm saying. I'll reserve any judgement when everything is settled. I haven't really followed the incident, since there's very little to discuss.

I don't really get all the drama and account suicides and whatnot.

GAF has been to me a great place with many great users; it would be a great loss having to part from it (even though I'm more of a lurker, and mostly from the gaming side).

The great posters are gone. For me anyway.

 

[WraithWalker1893]

Cowardness. Absolute cowardness. Fuck off Evilore. Can't believe this corrupt website is back online. It will never be the same. Burn it down. Burn it all down. I will have no part of this anymore. Ban me. Permaban my face off whilst you lot sit there behind your masks constantly lying to yourselfs. Total disgrace. See you in all hell.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

I thought mods were paid per ban ? Someone correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that part of the problem ? Weren't there quotas each month too ?

This is straight up bullshit man, come on.

 

[schwabdizzle]

The should just keep off topic turned off.

 

[Contica]

I'm not gonna wade into the guilty/innocent debate since I know too little, however. I hope Neogaf will become a better place now.

Over the years it turned into... Something I really didn't like. I've had thought along the lines of where nazi/alt-right is how the right moves too far, neogaf "hivemind" was showing frightening sogns of becoming a mirror of that.

Honest questions, curiosity, opinions outside the norm have been dangerous things here for a while.

I can't count how many times I've written something, only not to post it cause I could predict the reaction. Some people need to remember that although their cause is just, they don't hold the universal truth. People will disagree, and that is, believe it or not, okay. If we want to function together as a society, we need to understand each other, not ban anything that doesn't gel perfectly with your views.

I've often felt the hypocrisy of this place. In many topics people act as if they were saints about various issues of today. In others, the very same people will post knee jerk reactions to topics that are equally important to other people, but that they themselves haven't taken the effort ro educate themselves about.

Anyways. I'll be curious to see how things move forward. I'll miss the political stuff, but at the same time not. Discussions could be very one sided a lot, and I'm sure a lot of people just didn't bother getting involved due to the echo chamber nature of it all.

 

[Officerrob]

I thought mods were paid per ban ? Someone correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that part of the problem ? Weren't there quotas each month too ?

This is a joke, right?

 

[Rellik]

Cowardness. Absolute cowardness. Fuck off Evilore. Can't believe this corrupt website is back online. It will never be the same. Burn it down. Burn it all down. I will have no part of this anymore. Ban me. Permaban my face off whilst you lot sit there behind your masks constantly lying. Total disgrace.

Yet you came back to post your shitty post. No one cares. Bye.

 

[PhantomThief]

I thought mods were paid per ban ? Someone correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that part of the problem ? Weren't there quotas each month too ?

Mods were never paid, and there were no ban quotas.

There were people conspiring to ban users though. Like that clown Beseda.

 

[fresquito]

After reading some posts, I've come to the conclusion that this is about pitchforks. I always thought NeoGAF was a place that somehow promoted pitchforking (like when I was banned because I made a little joke about disabled people gaming skill when I'm disabled myself). Now NeoGAF could collapse because all these pitchforkers found the place welcoming to them and are leaving. It's ironic.

 

[metareferential]

The great posters are gone. For me anyway.

I've yet to understand who really left. Odds are everyone I like has left or is leaving anyway.

 

[Agent_Carnage]

My concern with the Anonymous moderators is what if one of them goes on a Power trip? We would have no idea who it was. There needs to be some oversight to make sure the mods dont get too power hungry and just ban people for sake of banning people.

An idea would have separate Moderator accounts and each account is tied to a specific person only the Admins know. So when if a Mod goes on a frivolous ban spree we can report that Moderator account to an Admin so they can pin point the exact person. Its the best of both worlds keeping the Moderators Anonymous while keeping transparency and oversight.

 

[wondermega]

What with all the chaos around here, can I buck the trend and rather than get banned, I'd like to be un-juniored. It's been long enough.

 

[Raitaro]

Plenty of people on this site and elsewhere are flaunting an unseemly side of themselves by crowing over NeoGAF's downfall and claiming this forum never offered anything of value in the first place. Well, I guess they can speak for themselves.

GAFers have introduced me to a massive array of books, movies, shows, games, music, products, and ideas that have changed my life for the better. I've had the great pleasure to participate in OTs for some of my favorite shows, exchanging impressions with awesome, passionate, funny, insightful people week after week. I've been able to express my appreciation for some of my favorite games in the presence of industry vets who have actually worked on them. I've shared the delight and excitement of E3, and game releases dating back to Super Smash Bros. Brawl, with thousands of others. I've have rich discussions on philosophy, science, movies, learning how to draw, and so many other interesting and worthy topics with people who put my own knowledge to shame.

So in fact, NeoGAF offers real value to a very wide range of enthusiasts. To label this place as nothing but a haven for left-wingers, Playstation fanboys, or whoever else—or to say this whole place is tainted by the allegations against its owner—is to throw a hell of a lot of babies out with the bathwater. This has been my favorite forum for talking about my passions. I hope that if NeoGAF survives the present turmoil, it will carry forward the best elements of the community we've built here.

Well said. Again, personally I'm not sure if Gaf can or even should survive this but at least the community of passionate people who want to discuss such things deserves to live on (elsewhere, if need be).

Edit: Also well said even if it might go against some of the other things I quoted (translation: I'm conflicted about all of this...):

Not impressed with how the situation has been handled, and not comfortable with the direction this place seems to be taking.

Many will likely continue to find solace here. If you do, please just consider the message you're sending and the image you're endorsing.
I'm not condemning anyone, least of all other users and moderators, but I feel like this should serve as a wake-up call.

I love games. Making them and playing them are equal parts of my life.
But life is too short to be second-guessing yourself about your principles.
At the end of the day, we're all just sharing transient thoughts about digital experiences on an ultimately ethereal platform.
This makes it all the more important to maintain some sense of self-awareness and self-control.

I don't want to be a part of something whose leadership and followers show little to no sign of either of these things.
I've been a member here since 2005; made over 5,000 posts. That averages to about 1 post per day.
No doubt I'm on the lower end of the scale, but it's still a significant portion of time dedicated to reading/talking about games.

I'd rather that time was spent in comfort, and in the knowledge that I'm speaking with those of like-mind, or at least a similar level of maturity.
As of late, that's become increasingly difficult to do on here, and I feel this episode is the match in the powder keg.

If things don't take a major turn for the better, I'm fine with leaving this all behind.
I encourage others to do the same. Your memories, experiences and dignity will remain intact.

Hopefully whatever happens, I'll see some of you around, and we can eventually find a new place to share.
For now, it's time for a purge.

To current admin: I'd appreciate it if you didn't ban me (immediately), so I can re-establish links. Thanks.

 

[Hydrogen Bluebird]

The future of NeoGAF will be a return to what many of us have come here for, a place where we can gather together and enjoy our shared hobby of video games. For a short time, Off-Topic Discussion and Off-Topic Community will be closed so that we can rediscover that. We'll be starting with a clean slate when they come back. However, the focus will be on the many other hobbies we may have like TV, movies, anime, writing, music, etc. Political and social discourse will not be allowed in the new Off-Topic. Those types of discussions greatly added to the harsh and unwelcoming atmosphere of Off-Topic, which pushed many users away. For those worried: OT has not been deleted, and important threads will be archived for recovery once it's open again.

Moderation will also see changes. Over the years, moderators changed from simply people who made sure discussion stay civil into personalities. It's because of that, many were targeted for harassment and other things. This shouldn't be happening to them. We've taken action to protect these people by making moderation anonymous. There will be no more red-names that single them out nor will there be a list of who is one.

I really like this post from the moderation team, especially the bolded parts.

I think anonymous moderators are okay as well but since this is a first, we'll have to see.

 

[cleveridea]

The great posters are gone. For me anyway.

Too early to tell. I checked out post history of my favorite posters to get a sense of if the site would remain truly viable and most havent made their position clear (either going on record of being out, or posting say an actual game comment)

My favorite posters were 100% posting about their opinions on video games, and came across as intelligent and open minded and capable of making their own opinions and not rushing to judgement. In the short term they are likely wondering what to make of all this

As the days go by though it becomes more of a case of no activity is a bad sign

 

[Nevadatan]

The thing is, on my sincere opinion, whether the misconduct allegations are true or not, of if Evilore is a shitbag or not, throwing the site offline during the storm was truly on bad taste, it looked like censoring and probably that damaged the site's reputation permanently.

 

[kinggroin]

Sure I dont see why not

Do you want it spammed and attacked? Be careful with discord invites right now no matter how you do it

Good point.

 

[LeroyPantwether]

This is straight up bullshit man, come on.

For transparency, I am one of the new mods . As mentioned, you won't see my name in red, but I just wanted to be forthright with the community.

#ballinwithbanmoneys

Spoiler

/s obviously

 

[snausagesUK]

Listening to the waypoint podcast and grossed out at the 'mentally ill' part of Admin's statements. A horrible standard to set regardless of the complications of this 'relationship'. Just a general lack of humility and accountability. It's ok to be wrong sometimes and admit fault now and again.

 

[HowZatOZ]

It is absolutely fucked up how quick the dime has spun in which people are just ignoring the owner of the sites allegations and outright sexual predatory behaviour plus for some only realising now that Amir0x was a fucking pedophile. So quickly has this shit stain ruined GAF, and so quickly has the community that is left made it clear they actually give no fucks about social issues and instead want to post "their games" because fuck reality.

Disgusting. And I can't even wash it off in the shower because I'm afraid I'll get bamboozled by a naked cunt bag.

 

[Jathaine]

The thing is, on my sincere opinion, whether the misconduct allegations are true or not, of if Evilore is a shitbag or not, throwing the site offline during the storm was truly on bad taste, it looked like censoring and probably that damaged the site's reputation permanently.

Exactly. He might be telling the absolute truth (and the more of the story that comes out, the more it looks like he's not lying) but the impression his actions gave off was certainly not a good one.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Resetera with mods like Beseda who let this place become what it is today? Yeah cant see that becoming a succes.

What frustrates me about that in particular was that I felt that most (<- operative word) of the recent moderators were model posters, but poor moderators. As in they hardly ever tried to actually steer discussion to a better place.

And I'm not even talking about all the political topics that everyone else in here seems to be up in arms over, either. It just felt like the signal-to-noise ratio on Gaming went to absolute shit gradually over the past 3 or 4 years or so. Waaaay too many threads clogged up by drive-by shitposts. It got to the point where most of the Community OTs that I frequented--initially grumbling about being "banished to community"--eventually preferred it because they no longer had to put up with all the snarky Hot Takes from the lowest common denominators on the forum.

Bleh.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

For transparency . I am one of the new mods . As mentioned you won't see my name in red but I just wanted to be forthright with the community.

#ballinwithbanmoneys

Spoiler

/s obviously

Aha, was in jest, my bad.

 

[oo7]

So this lady was so traumatized by the dastardly deed of Evilore thinking he was cleared for landing, that she later had consensual adult sex with the guy. Makes sense if you don't think about it. Not to mention he was probably embarassed and dudes can unfortunately be dicks when we get embarassed.

If I was taken advantage of, and was completely distraught and shocked over a situation like that, I don't think i'd ever really speak to the person after that. Let alone find my self in a situation where we having sex after that.

That gaf mentality of guilty until proven innocent is in full force it seems. Good riddance to the bulk of you turds.

 

[PhantomThief]

For transparency . I am one of the new mods . As mentioned you won't see my name in red but I just wanted to be forthright with the community.

#ballinwithbanmoneys

Spoiler

/s obviously

Good stuff . Thanks for being open and transparant. Thats what this site needs, not more anonimity.


Oh...

Oh .

 

[GCX]

Welp, new members will come.
I find it baffling that some people think they have a crystal ball or something.

I don't have a crystal ball, that's why I said only time will tell what's going to happen.

But a good message board is a community, and a that takes to evolve. You can't just replace members who have been posting here for 15 years with new ones and think nothing has changed.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Resetera with mods like Beseda who let this place become what it is today?

boy, i sure love how people keep posting this trash heap that's literally based off a /pol/ thread and hasn't been true at any point all weekend after it's already been pointed out more than a dozen times that it's not true

 

[HowZatOZ]

So this lady was so traumatized by the dastardly deed of Evilore thinking he was cleared for landing, that she later had consensual adult sex with the guy. Makes sense if you don't think about it. Not to mention he was probably embarassed and dudes can unfortunately be dicks when we get embarassed.

If I was taken advantage of, and was completely distraught and shocked over a situation like that, I don't think i'd ever really speak to the person after that. Let alone find my self in a situation where we having sex after that.

That gaf mentality of guilty until proven innocent is in full force it seems. Good riddance to the bulk of you turds.

Ah yes, because sexual harassment in the past can be forgiven and forgotten because of having consensual sex in the future. Thank you for the enlightenment.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

Seeing this site crash was really a shame. I basically came here for the OT section so without it I really don't have any reason to come here.

It's unfortunate this community isn't held together by more than one person. It's so fractured now and really won't be the same.

Regardless of EL's situation (I really don't care about it but something rubs me the wrong way with some of the things he posted in the past about grabbing ass) I care about the community here. It has really taken a hit because of one guy's alleged behavior sucks to see that happen but that's life.

Oh well, life goes on.

 

[cromofo]

So this lady was so traumatized by the dastardly deed of Evilore thinking he was cleared for landing, that she later had consensual adult sex with the guy. Makes sense if you don't think about it. Not to mention he was probably embarassed and dudes can unfortunately be dicks when we get embarassed.

If I was taken advantage of, and was completely distraught and shocked over a situation like that, I don't think i'd ever really speak to the person after that. Let alone find my self in a situation where we having sex after that.

That gaf mentality of guilty until proven innocent is in full force it seems. Good riddance to the bulk of you turds.

It's irony at its finest.

 

[PhantomThief]

What frustrates me about that in particular was that I felt that most (<- operative word) of the recent moderators were model posters, but poor moderators. As in they hardly ever tried to actually steer discussion to a better place.

And I'm not even talking about all the political topics that everyone else in here seems to be up in arms over, either. It just felt like the signal-to-noise ratio on Gaming went to absolute shit gradually over the past 3 or 4 years or so. Waaaay too many threads clogged up by drive-by shitposts. It got to the point where most of the Community OTs that I frequented--initially grumbling about being "banished to community"--eventually preferred it because they no longer had to put up with all the snarky Hot Takes from the lowest common denominators on the forum.

Bleh.

Dude over the past few years so many trolls have gotten off scott free while legit posters have gotten banned. If you spoke out against it you got banned.

I caught my first and only ban for saying in a thread that was being raided by trolls " when the idiots are let loose on the streets where is the clean up crew? "

I was told not to call users idiots.

Later.in other threads I see people calling eachother cunts, telling them to fuck off lol.

 

[Foffy]

So this lady was so traumatized by the dastardly deed of Evilore thinking he was cleared for landing, that she later had consensual adult sex with the guy. Makes sense if you don't think about it. Not to mention he was probably embarassed and dudes can unfortunately be dicks when we get embarassed.

If I was taken advantage of, and was completely distraught and shocked over a situation like that, I don't think i'd ever really speak to the person after that. Let alone find my self in a situation where we having sex after that.

That gaf mentality of guilty until proven innocent is in full force it seems. Good riddance to the bulk of you turds.

Someone here has cracked the code of human psychology. Musta found enlightenment when the forum was down, too.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

I'm glad GAF is back, and I'm glad EviLore took the time (too little too late? Maybe, but it's there at least) to issue a statement.

In dubio pro reo is all I'm saying. I'll reserve any judgement when everything is settled. I haven't really followed the incident, since there's very little to discuss.

I don't really get all the drama and account suicides and whatnot.

GAF has been to me a great place with many great users; it would be a great loss having to part from it (even though I'm more of a lurker, and mostly from the gaming side).

This.

I've been around on this forum for a long time. I want to see both sides of things with evidence to support it and not simply react to the first thing I see.