• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

The White Man's (New) Burden

  • Thread starter Deleted member 47027
  • Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
D

Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
Posted by John Minus
http://exiteleven.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-white-man-new-burden.html

Not really too concerned about posting the entirety of the blog post, because it's on Blogger and isn't itching for clicks or ads. If you like it, though, let him know. I found it worth reading, and I wager you will too.

By now you have probably heard about Anthony Cumia, of “Opie and Anthony” fame. He had a run-in with a woman on the streets of New York that lead to him losing his job on Sirius XM. He states that he was taking pictures of public areas (streets and buildings) and that this woman happened in front of his camera. He says that she attacked him, for no reason of course, and then went on Twitter to call her a “cunt” and a “savage.”

To be sure, supporters of the “Opie and Anthony” show did not use such kind language to describe the woman, who is Black. None of their listeners have in any way expressed sentiments that Cumia did anything inappropriate. This should not be surprising as the show's White, male, 18-34 year old audience has never been known to be sensitive to women or minorities. In this essay I refer to White males as if they are a homogenous entity, but really I think the guys who get it will know who I am speaking of and will recognize whether I am talking about them or not.

Full disclosure; I never liked “Opie and Anthony.” I've never even listened to the show. But I knew the type of people who did listen to the show, and that was all I really needed to know. I have found that you can learn more about a person, group, or institution from the people who support it than from the thing itself. The people who I knew liked that show were overwhelmingly male, White, and sort of, if not outright, racist. Nothing about that demographic made me think “that's a show I need to listen to!”

To be fair, many guests that have been on the show are comedians who I appreciate and am a fan of, most notable Lewis Black, Rich Vos, Patton Oswalt and Patrice O' Neal, the only non-white regular guest the show has ever had. I always thought Jim Norton was a raging racist but, to be honest, it was 90% because of his appearance. He looks like an extra from “American History X.” I watched one of his comedy specials out of curiosity, and much to my surprise I found him to be very funny and not at all racist, at least not in that special. So my method of judging people may not 100% accurate, but most of the time it works. It's anecdotal evidence, not DNA testing. Those of you who know me know that my superpower is Hypocrisy. In my defense the show also has a very good relationship with Donald Trump, who has been vigorously defending Donald Sterling. So, there's that.

The most striking aspect of this event is how victimized Cumia himself feels. Cumia, Trump, and people like them have felt for many years now, oh let's say since President Obama was elected, that their rights to “Free Speech” have been tread on. They feel that society has become too “sensitive” and “politically correct.” They believe that we as a people have become soft and can't take a joke. White men in positions of power are enraged that they cannot get away with saying whatever they want to say. To those men I say, in the words of John Mayer, welcome to the real world. One thing that straight White males have to understand is you do not get to be the Victim and Privileged. Whether you know (or like) it or not, Western society is set up to benefit the straight White male, and as long as that is true that demographic will never be viewed as a sympathetic victim. Not fair? Probably. But again, welcome to the reality that the rest of us have existed in for centuries.

I'm a Black male. Black men have not been able to just say whatever we have wanted since we first met Europeans centuries ago. We have never had much of any type of freedom where Europeans and Americans have been concerned. White men have never had to fear any repercussions to what they say in public unless it was against The Church, but that is a story for another day. European and American men have long believed in the “White Man's Burden”, their right and duty to save and educate the savage heathens and Brown peoples of the Earth. It is now 2014 and White men have a new burden, the burden of Responsibility. This is the burden of having to face the people they speak against or insult, the burden of having to Think before they Act, a burden that all the rest of us have had to deal with for centuries. It is a burden that few White men are prepared to shoulder. Many, many men still have not realized that they have been put in this position, and you can tell by the genuine surprise with which White men receive the news that people are angry at what they have said, and that they are being punished for their words.

Where shall we begin... how about Mel Gibson? He's like the Jay-Z of offensive rants. He has gone off against gays and lesbians, women in general, and then his infamous statement about “a pack of n*ggers.” I never knew that the proper term for a group of n*ggers was a pack. I should thank him for the education. Speaking of “the N word”, Michael Richards. Enough said. Remember Don Imus? He had no idea that women would object to being referred to as nappy headed hoes.” Because that's something that the rest of us regularly say to women we don't know. Eminem throws around the word “fag” like he gets paid for it. There's Donald Sterling, who is still honestly confused as to what he has done wrong in his life (let's go with discriminatory housing practices for that one.). And then we come back to Cumia who, according to comedian Penn Jillette should be compared to Martin Luther King Jr for not using his gun on the unarmed woman who attacked him. He basically said on his podcast “Penn's Sunday School” that a White man not shooting an unarmed Black women should have earned Cumia a Nobel Prize. No Penn, there's no award for that. Not only are we supposed to forgive Cumia, we should applaud him for his restraint. Oh. OK.

Penn also said that he's never seen any evidence that Cumia is racist. This line always kills me. I tell everybody I know that Boston is the most racist city in the Northeast, and inevitably a White person will say “Really? I never noticed.” OF COURSE you didn't notice, you're not the one they are racist against! Penn concludes by saying that the “free market” will decide if Cumia's firing was justified or not, and I believe it already has. The market has spoken, which is why he was fired. It makes better business sense to appease the great majority of people who would spend their time influencing advertisers to drop their support of the show than to keep Cumia and the small but vocal audience he brings in.

The problem that most of these men have is their lack of exposure to people different from them. To Cumia, he was attacked for no reason by a women from a culture that, he believes, has a violence problem (all of these views are available in his twitter feed.) It would never occur to him that as a woman she has experienced a lifetime of street harassment and would be justifiably suspicious and angry of a man taking pictures of her on the street. He would never think that it would not occur to a Black woman to call the police on such a man, because what are the chances that NYPD would take her side in a disagreement with a White man? He would never think that after, well, all of American history a Black women would be less than inclined to give a White man the benefit of the doubt.

And that is the main point that White men in this day and age need to understand; you don't get the benefit of the doubt. Like the rest of us, you as a White male are laboring under the sins of your fathers. No matter what it will be assumed that you are racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. until proven otherwise. It may suck but the White male in this society has the burden (there's that word again) of proof when it comes to not being seen as a dick. It is almost irrelevant what Cumia's intentions were because of the way it looked. The same way Black men would have to be very cognizant of how they approached White women in the streets for fear of lynching, that's how cognizant you have to be about how you come off. You will never face the level of repercussions for your behavior as many other Americans have had to face, but now there are consequences to your actions. A novel concept I know, but one that you will have to deal with.

There are many White men who get this, and know that there is a level of self-restraint that has to be exercised when expressing one's feelings in public. Some of you reading this may be thinking “what's the point of trying to be sensitive to race and gender if everyone is just going to think I'm a jerk anyway?” Some of you still don't get it. Some of you may be angry and upset by what I'm saying, and feel unduly attacked. To those of you who don't get it, I will say this; every time I encounter White people in any setting I am self-conscious about about being the best example of a Black man I can be so that I don't reinforce stereotypes about My gender and My race. That is a burden I did not ask for, it is one I was born into and you know what? It's exhausting. It is exhausting to have to constantly monitor yourself because your appearance and demeanor may get you rejected, fired, or in some cases killed. It is exhausting. Ask any Indian or Arab person what it's like to be assumed to be a terrorist. Ask any woman what it's like to have to make sure that she doesn't do anything to “invite” men to harass or attack her. Ask any Black woman what it's like to have to measure their words so that they are not viewed as being “angry.” I bet each and every one of them will tell you it's god-damned exhausting. That's the burden the rest of us have been carrying since before we can remember. And now, it is yours as well.

Is this the new White Man's Burden?
 
Whats the short version of that

Pretty much this:

White men in this day and age need to understand; you don't get the benefit of the doubt. Like the rest of us, you as a White male are laboring under the sins of your fathers. No matter what it will be assumed that you are racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. until proven otherwise. It may suck but the White male in this society has the burden (there's that word again) of proof when it comes to not being seen as a dick
 

Talon

Member
Whats the short version of that

To those of you who don't get it, I will say this; every time I encounter White people in any setting I am self-conscious about about being the best example of a Black man I can be so that I don't reinforce stereotypes about My gender and My race. That is a burden I did not ask for, it is one I was born into and you know what? It's exhausting. It is exhausting to have to constantly monitor yourself because your appearance and demeanor may get you rejected, fired, or in some cases killed. It is exhausting. Ask any Indian or Arab person what it's like to be assumed to be a terrorist. Ask any woman what it's like to have to make sure that she doesn't do anything to “invite” men to harass or attack her. Ask any Black woman what it's like to have to measure their words so that they are not viewed as being “angry.” I bet each and every one of them will tell you it's god-damned exhausting. That's the burden the rest of us have been carrying since before we can remember. And now, it is yours as well.
.

I have to agree with this. Just hearing my friend's parents tell him (they're black), "Look, if there are cops, just turn your music down and roll your windows up. No reason to provoke them." was so eye-opening to me.

Even as the whitest asian you know*, I'm extremely self-conscious about playing to racial stereotypes in any way.

*Trademark Talon et al. 2015
 

Mesoian

Member
Whats the short version of that

White males continue to be the punching bags of social commentary due to the last 500 years of white males holding power and influence on a global scale.

White men in this day and age need to understand; you don't get the benefit of the doubt. Like the rest of us, you as a White male are laboring under the sins of your fathers. No matter what it will be assumed that you are racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. until proven otherwise. It may suck but the White male in this society has the burden (there's that word again) of proof when it comes to not being seen as a dick

I don't even think this is necessarily true because the steps you have to take to "prove it" usually aren't good enough in the eyes of those demanding proof.

.

I have to agree with this. Just hearing my friend's parents tell him (they're black), "Look, if there are cops, just turn your music down and roll your windows up. No reason to provoke them." was so eye-opening to me.

It's true though. That Paul Mooney skit on how not to get beat up by the cops is funny, but there is a MASSIVE amount of truth behind it.
 
D

Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
I don't even think this is necessarily true because the steps you have to take to "prove it" usually aren't good enough in the eyes of those demanding proof.



It's true though. That Paul Mooney skit on how not to get beat up by the cops is funny, but there is a MASSIVE amount of truth behind it.

Add White Fragility to this and there you go.
 

Slayven

Member
Agree with a lot of what he said, but don't about the burden thing. But if you say racist shit you are a racist and will be called out as such. No one is limiting your rights, just calling a spade a spade.
 

JDSN

Banned
Shame about those Penn comments, fuck him.
White males continue to be the punching bags of social commentary due to the last 500 years of white males holding power and influence on a global scale.

I....dont think thats what the article is about, it seems more about how minorities see the white man and how ironically absurd the concept of the white/black/arab man (tm) is in the first place.
 
every time I encounter White people in any setting I am self-conscious about about being the best example of a Black man I can be so that I don't reinforce stereotypes about My gender and My race.

ER... I guess I can't say I truly understand, but as a white male, I always am self-conscious of how people perceive me in public. I don't act the same way i would towards my friends, family, or SO.
 
ER... I guess I can't say I truly understand, but as a white male, I always am self-conscious of how people perceive me in public. I don't act the same way i would towards my friends, family, or SO.

People are self conscious yes, but not in the way he's describing. You wouldn't say the same things you would among friends as you would your family, but not because you don't want to be perceived as a thug or an angry black woman.
 
D

Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
This is just as much bigotry as what he's complaining about.

I'm assumed to be those things?

Go fuck yourself pal. I don't have to prove shit just because my skin color.

You'll go a lot further in life if you do. You could be limiting yourself.

I say "could be" because I don't know you.
 

ISOM

Member
ER... I guess I can't say I truly understand, but as a white male, I always am self-conscious of how people perceive me in public. I don't act the same way i would towards my friends, family, or SO.

There is a difference with you being self-conscious of how people perceive you as a person versus being perceived as a representation of your entire race. That's what that comment meant.
 
Penn Jilette, common sense Libertarian. What a joke.

I'm not sure how a rational, sane individual would suggest that not using overwhelming deadly force in retaliation to a non life threatening situation is something to be admired.
 
People are self conscious yes, but not in the way he's describing. You wouldn't say the same things you would among friends as you would your family, but not because you don't want to be perceived as a thug or an angry black woman.

I don't want to be perceived as a jerk, or rude. Also, white men can be "thugs" too. And white women can be labeled as "bitches"

There is a difference with you being self-conscious of how people perceive you as a person versus being perceived as a representation of your entire race. That's what that comment meant.

That was a better way of describing it to me.
 

Lowmelody

Member
White men in this day and age need to understand; you don't get the benefit of the doubt. Like the rest of us, you as a White male are laboring under the sins of your fathers. No matter what it will be assumed that you are racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. until proven otherwise. It may suck but the White male in this society has the burden (there's that word again) of proof when it comes to not being seen as a dick

Fucking vile
 

Marsyas

Banned
every time I encounter White people in any setting I am self-conscious about being the best example of a Black man I can be so that I don't reinforce stereotypes about My gender and My race.
No matter what it will be assumed that you are racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. until proven otherwise.
I genuinely feel pity for the author. It must be painful to be so insecure and to be so full of mistrust for other human beings.
 

Opiate

Member
I believe he's a libertarian. If true, then his comments aren't surprising in the least

Yes, an ardent one. It's also why the show "Bullshit" had an episode calling "bullshit" on global warming. But not on global warming deniers -- they called "bullshit" on global warming scientists. Granted, this was back in 2009 or so, but still far enough along that the consensus was becoming clear. He has since recanted the position, but his recanting was reluctant, as if drawing it out took great pains.

Everyone has blind spots.
 
Yes, an ardent one. It's also why the show "Bullshit" had a show calling "bullshit" not on global warming deniers, but global warming scientists. Granted, this was back in 2009 or so, but still far enough along that the consensus was becoming clear.

Everyone has blind spots.

Penn has a person just like the rest of us. He believes in some good things, and other times he's wrong.

He's not 100% right, but no one is.

Besides... Bullshit was awesome.
 

Josh7289

Member
Heterosexual masculine white men have it easier than anyone else in the US. The fact that society doesn't let them 'get away' with using racial, misogynistic, or homophobic slurs, etc., is actually proof of their privilege more than anything else. They're not allowed to appropriate those terms and empower themselves with them because they were always on top to begin with.
 

Burt

Member
The Penn Jillette quote:
“We are burying the lede of this story, which is that Anthony, who has a reputation for being a bit of a hot head, is carrying, comes up gets hit in the face and does not hurt the person back,” Jillette said during his “Penn’s Sunday School” podcast this weekend.

“That is incredible. If I am in the position where I cross somebody who is carrying a gun and who can defend themselves and hurt me, and their choice is to write angry stuff on Twitter instead of fighting me back — wonderful. Gandhi! That’s Gandhi! … That is Martin Luther King,” he continued.

No real racial context to the comment, it's either just him talking about how shitty society has become or being an idiot and actually applauding someone for not exercising their "right" to shoot someone for a minor assault. Much like the rest of the post, the author twisted it a bit to fit it into his argument... which was pretty awful up until the end. The conclusion that white males (at least white males of a certain appearance) will be assumed by strangers to be racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and whatever other stereotype that may exist is perfectly reasonable. That's how stereotypes work. But goddamn, the lead in to that point was rough.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
WOW! What a powerful blog post. I try to explain this to my white co-workers and I don't think it gets through. They often complain about political correctness run amok.
 

BigAT

Member
hDvGlSy.png
 
And that is the main point that White men in this day and age need to understand; you don't get the benefit of the doubt. Like the rest of us, you as a White male are laboring under the sins of your fathers. No matter what it will be assumed that you are racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. until proven otherwise. It may suck but the White male in this society has the burden (there's that word again) of proof when it comes to not being seen as a dick. It is almost irrelevant what Cumia's intentions were because of the way it looked. The same way Black men would have to be very cognizant of how they approached White women in the streets for fear of lynching, that's how cognizant you have to be about how you come off. You will never face the level of repercussions for your behavior as many other Americans have had to face, but now there are consequences to your actions. A novel concept I know, but one that you will have to deal with.

There are many White men who get this, and know that there is a level of self-restraint that has to be exercised when expressing one's feelings in public. Some of you reading this may be thinking “what's the point of trying to be sensitive to race and gender if everyone is just going to think I'm a jerk anyway?” Some of you still don't get it. Some of you may be angry and upset by what I'm saying, and feel unduly attacked. To those of you who don't get it, I will say this; every time I encounter White people in any setting I am self-conscious about about being the best example of a Black man I can be so that I don't reinforce stereotypes about My gender and My race. That is a burden I did not ask for, it is one I was born into and you know what? It's exhausting. It is exhausting to have to constantly monitor yourself because your appearance and demeanor may get you rejected, fired, or in some cases killed. It is exhausting. Ask any Indian or Arab person what it's like to be assumed to be a terrorist. Ask any woman what it's like to have to make sure that she doesn't do anything to “invite” men to harass or attack her. Ask any Black woman what it's like to have to measure their words so that they are not viewed as being “angry.” I bet each and every one of them will tell you it's god-damned exhausting. That's the burden the rest of us have been carrying since before we can remember. And now, it is yours as well.

I'm not clear or I'm misunderstanding what he's really saying. Is he saying that all White Men have to be as self-aware as all Black men are? Isn't that a broad stroke assumption?
 
D

Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
I'm not clear or I'm misunderstanding what he's really saying. Is he saying that all White Men have to be as self-aware as all Black men are? Isn't that a broad stroke assumption?

White men are going to have to get used to it.
 

Enduin

No bald cap? Lies!
He's more or less right, though that's not exactly a good thing. It's a rather defeatist attitude, which is understandable but again not good. I think most people are relatively decent, most of the time, and it's really a small but more visible minority that are more blatantly and noticeably racist or prejudiced in their interactions with others, making it feel like it's even more pervasive than it already is. So to say everyone is going to suspect everyone else of the worst until shown otherwise is just giving into the mentality of those few truly horrible people.

But, no joke, that could very easily be my white male privilege talking and everyone really is that shitty. There is also no shortage of people who unknowingly do, say or react in prejudiced ways without malicious intent but it still reinforces that world view and comes across that way to those on the receiving end, pretty much making it no different from purposeful malicious stuff. Our society is so hyper aware that everyone seems to be looking for things all the time, and there's plenty to pick up on, but I can also imagine there are a lot of perceived slights that are anything but. Which again makes me feel like this isn't the greatest attitude to have even if it is true in a lot of cases.

What's the end goal? Everyone feels shitty and self aware about everything they do and how everyone sees them until we reach some magical low point where everyone realizes we're all the same and we start treating each other like equals? Cause that doesn't seem likely to happen with this kind of attitude.
 

Slayven

Member
As a whole, black people can hold puppies, buy belts, and go to dance recitals without being arrest.

Excepted when profiled. Racially

He's more or less right, though that's not exactly a good thing. It's a rather defeatist attitude, which is understandable but again not good. I think most people are relatively decent, most of the time, and it's really a small but more visible minority that are more blatantly and noticeably racist or prejudiced in their interactions with others, making it feel like it's even more pervasive than it already is. So to say everyone is going to suspect everyone else of the worst until shown otherwise is just giving into the mentality of those few truly horrible people.

But, no joke, that could very easily be my white male privilege talking and everyone really is that shitty. There is also no shortage of people who unknowingly do, say or react in prejudiced ways without malicious intent but it still reinforces that world view and comes across that way to those on the receiving end, pretty much making it no different from purposeful malicious stuff. Our society is so hyper aware that everyone seems to be looking for things all the time, and there's plenty to pick up on, but I can also imagine there are a lot of perceived slights that are anything but. Which again makes me feel like this isn't the greatest attitude to have even if it is true in a lot of cases.

What's the end goal? Everyone feels shitty and self aware about everything they do and how everyone sees them until we reach some magical low point where everyone realizes we're all the same and we start treating each other like equals? Cause that doesn't seem likely to happen with this kind of attitude.

Asking people not to be an asshole and have a little empathy is not that big of deal.
 
Yes, an ardent one. It's also why the show "Bullshit" had an episode calling "bullshit" on global warming. But not on global warming deniers -- they called "bullshit" on global warming scientists. Granted, this was back in 2009 or so, but still far enough along that the consensus was becoming clear. He has since recanted the position, but his recanting was reluctant, as if drawing it out took great pains.

Everyone has blind spots.

Are you implying that libertarians widely deny climate change? Just curious as to what would drive you to believe that (if that's what you're really saying). It seems quite irrelevant to the foundations of the ideology, so I'd be surprised if there was an "official" stance taken for either side of the argument. Penn Jillette might deny it, but I really don't think it could be applied to all or even most libertarians.

There's a big leap between believing the government should not take a prominent role in addressing climate change and flat out rejecting the science behind it. I personally haven't really come across that latter viewpoint from libertarians. Republicans and conservatives, yes. But not true libertarians (Tea Party isn't libertarian). Then again, I don't talk to many of them on a frequent basis and can only go off my own views.
 

Patryn

Member
So... white privilege is over?

Sorry, just feeling facetious. It's a good piece, thanks for posting it OP.

Not over, just under fiercer attack than ever before.

The danger is that very few groups have ever ceded power without resistance. I think that's why you have things like the MRA groups suddenly gaining louder voices.
 

Dead Man

Member
He's more or less right, though that's not exactly a good thing. It's a rather defeatist attitude, which is understandable but again not good. I think most people are relatively decent, most of the time, and it's really a small but more visible minority that are more blatantly and noticeably racist or prejudiced in their interactions with others, making it feel like it's even more pervasive than it already is. So to say everyone is going to suspect everyone else of the worst until shown otherwise is just giving into the mentality of those few truly horrible people.

But, no joke, that could very easily be my white male privilege talking and everyone really is that shitty. There is also no shortage of people who unknowingly do, say or react in prejudiced ways without malicious intent but it still reinforces that world view and comes across that way to those on the receiving end, pretty much making it no different from purposeful malicious stuff. Our society is so hyper aware that everyone seems to be looking for things all the time, and there's plenty to pick up on, but I can also imagine there are a lot of perceived slights that are anything but. Which again makes me feel like this isn't the greatest attitude to have even if it is true in a lot of cases.

What's the end goal? Everyone feels shitty and self aware about everything they do and how everyone sees them until we reach some magical low point where everyone realizes we're all the same and we start treating each other like equals? Cause that doesn't seem likely to happen with this kind of attitude.

Well that's a depressing conclusion :(
 

Kurdel

Banned
And that is the main point that White men in this day and age need to understand; you don't get the benefit of the doubt. Like the rest of us, you as a White male are laboring under the sins of your fathers. No matter what it will be assumed that you are racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. until proven otherwise. It may suck but the White male in this society has the burden (there's that word again) of proof when it comes to not being seen as a dick. It is almost irrelevant what Cumia's intentions were because of the way it looked. The same way Black men would have to be very cognizant of how they approached White women in the streets for fear of lynching, that's how cognizant you have to be about how you come off. You will never face the level of repercussions for your behavior as many other Americans have had to face, but now there are consequences to your actions. A novel concept I know, but one that you will have to deal with.

Man, what a dystopian vision of the world.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom