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funny how people want to force unfair pc comparisons on the xb1x because it's a whopping 100 dollars more than the ps4 pro.
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Wccftech: ESO Runs at 4K@30FPS on XB1X with Additional Graphics Fidelity over Pro
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LukasTaves
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Not much of a mistery there, Pro can't handle the effects in 4k, but they don't support any other resolution lower than 4k but higher than 1080p,so they dropped all the way to 1080p, basically meaning that yeah, likely regarding gpu there's plenty of performance headroom on Pro in 1080p mode.
Omega Kirby
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No $500 jokes? Thought so
LukasTaves
Member
If you want the extra visuals then the jump is from 1080p to 4k,that's what the other user was asking and what I responded to.
You mean the games that got upgraded with a pro mode? I would be surprised if it's not, unless you are counting remasters/indies/less demanding games (not trying to trash on those in anyway, only that it's clear in the context that we are talking about demanding games when talking about performance)
texhnolyze
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Even my PC can't do that. With i5-7600 and 1060, it's hovering between 40-50 fps at 4K downsampled (max settings).
Sooooo.. we're all on the same page, right? Everyone speaking to the increased "graphics fidelity" is aware that these improvements are more than likely gonna be the sort of thing you have to watch a full-blown Digital Foundry analysis to see real evidence of?
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there will be games that show a noticeable difference but there's no way that's gonna be the norm...
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there will be games that show a noticeable difference but there's no way that's gonna be the norm...
Liliana Eileen
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It will be the norm.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
1X vs Pro should offer up about the same differences that the PS4 had over the XB1
Native vs checkerboard
2160c vs whatever the highest rung below 2160c is
Better effects and textures.
Native vs checkerboard
2160c vs whatever the highest rung below 2160c is
Better effects and textures.
geordiemp
Member
But its diminishing returns at 2160, hell even 1440 I dont give a damn with 50 inches at 8 ft.
900p was very noticeable on a modern living room TV, 1440p vs 1800c vs 2160c is not.
60 FPS on the other hand...
Leyasu
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Stilton Disco
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Another title that was 1080p on the standard XO.
Have we had any games that were sub 1080p on the Base model that have been confirmed to be hitting native 4K on XOX yet? I'm far more interested in how that would look and if they'd manage much more in the way of additional effects.
Stuff like ESO feel like softballs, I want to know how this system handles something a normal XO buckles under the strain of!
Have we had any games that were sub 1080p on the Base model that have been confirmed to be hitting native 4K on XOX yet? I'm far more interested in how that would look and if they'd manage much more in the way of additional effects.
Stuff like ESO feel like softballs, I want to know how this system handles something a normal XO buckles under the strain of!
is this a jokepost or are you being serious? lol
again the difference in Pixels between 1080p vs. 4K and 900p vs. 1080p is MUCH bigger. stop downplaying. its Simple math...
Captain Pusheen
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Dat PS4Pro secret sauce, right?
killatopak
Gold Member
I tried ESO once but the game looks fugly even on a pro. I doubt resolution would change much. They need to revamp the assets themselves.
jizzlobber
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I remember 900p Vs 1080p was very noticeable once DF told everyone what was up.
Christocolus
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Exactly.
jizzlobber
Member
been happening all gen
geordiemp
Member
Deadly serious, and yes I have a maths degree LOL (well Physics and maths).
We have 2 tv's in same room, 1 is 1080p 50 inch, other is 4K 50 inch (about 9 ft distance to sitting). Both low Leo Bodnar for gaming.
2 x ps4 pro's so we can play games together side by side.
So I have played many native 4K, 2160c, 1800c, 1440p upscale vs 1080p on same games side by side for the last 6 months. I have formed an opinion on that experience,
I have to google to find if a game is 1800c or native 4K as I cant tell, at all, but I can tell if 900p easily, 1080p yes, 1440p and above I dont give a shit.
Its no big deal, and hence why outside console warrior crap the best bit about the pro is the 2.1 Ghz CPU and more stable frame rates, the IQ is nice but not OMG look at dat.
I think Scorpio will benefit from the 2.3 Ghz CPU a bit (even more stable 30 lol), but more game loading, LOD and the big one POP in on large maps.
However, if your experience is different, please do share.
If you intend to game up close on a monitor or have a full room projector then thats a different case.
Liabe Brave
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I might say that if the thread is about Elder Scrolls Online, we are not talking about demanding games.
But this may be an empty distinction, as I expand on below.For any reasonably defined category, go ahead and be surprised: it is the case that 1800c games do not outnumber 2160p games on Pro. Of course, if you really want to get a result where they do, then it's eminently possible to make it happen. Just carve away segments and disqualify titles.
But think about what's true for One X. We already know it'll have 2160c games, dynamic 2160c games, and lower resolutions too, all the way down to 1080p. So obviously, demanding games can't hit native 4K on Microsoft's machine either, right?
This is the problem with the category "demanding games". By definition, it includes only and exactly the very examples that don't succeed at reaching a threshold. It doesn't describe an inherent trait of games, but a result of them being run on particular hardware in a particular configuration.
If you want to compare the platforms, the only valid approach is to use categories that aren't themselves varying in scope on each. So we can compare all AAA, or all remasters, or individual titles, etc. And those natural categories will surely show the power gap, with One X hitting higher levels in each versus Pro.
Many gaffers thought/guessed that Pro would hold back 1X graphic settings.
Who? Most multi platform games are on PC anyways so Scorpio having better graphics should be a given.
#WhenyoutrytojustifyaPS4Pro.
Stilton Disco
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I'm not trying to justify anything myself, but we really are getting into serious diminishing returns on just how noticeable an improvement resolution can make.
With had almost a year of digital foundry comparisons pointing out just how impressively close chequerboard rendering gets to native 4K, to the point of stating it's something we should be seeing more of on PC to make more efficient use of GPU's, even those that are already run rings around the XOX.
I genuinely think that extra 4GB of faster ram and improved CPU are going to give the XOX a far more noticeable advantage over the PS4Pro than the the sheer quantity of extra pixels it can push would suggest.
Higher quality textures, better lighting and shadows, more on screen effects, more onscreen characters and objects and smoother frametlrates, that's what a side by side comparison is going to notice.
Besides which, justifying the purchase of either model of PS4 is still a simple matter of remembering it has a he'll of a lot more games and more varied, generally wider appealing titles. Raw power was never the biggest reason for why the Xbox One was an inferior system to purchas. The XOX existing just means there's a more expensive version of the system to buy after you've bought a PS4 and a Switch if you've got money to burn and enough friends in the same boat, unless you're an American Teenage boy that only likes AAA multiplayer games.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Does ESO actually run at 2160p or 2160c?
Well, the difference between 1080p and 4k is MUCH bigger though:
Yeah, but increasing density comes with diminishing returns, especially at TV viewing distances. That's why MS was smart to not mandate true 4K in every case, because it's very possible other graphical effects are going to be more noticeable than the resolution.
And it also has the most cancerous comments section I have ever seen.
But, uh... seriously, why don't they have an option for higher framerates? I refuse to believe the system just can't handle it, that would be bonkers.
Good to see that they are taking advantage of the system.
Can you tell us exactly what part of the game looks like it always used fp16?
Or due to a lack of time or resources. I think developers care less about alienating anyone and more so about making sure every platform runs properly.
Can you tell us exactly what part of the game looks like it always used fp16?
Or due to a lack of time or resources. I think developers care less about alienating anyone and more so about making sure every platform runs properly.
I love these posts. It's has everything. Console warrior, Please buy Sony, Power doesn't matter, Xbox doesn't have games, and a pot shot at people who play AAA games and people that have money to burn. Genius and Sony should use it in their promotions. We need people like you who are truly concerned for all gamers. Thanks.
geordiemp
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#whenyouthinkaconsoleisexpensive
You think I need to justify £ 400. Thats sweet, I remember when I was a kid
Got 2 bud, and 2 wall mounted high end tv's, would get 2 Scorpio if it was not more damn Jaguar. I
have 2 old Ps4's in the loft somewhere and 2 360;s, I dont trade as I cant be bothered.
If Scorpio does get 60 FPS on the AAA big titles and I am wrong about the CPU, I will get 2 of them.
It was a reply to a joke
Yup. All it took was someone to point it out and provide side by side zoomed in screenshots displayed on a PC monitor 6 inches from the user's face and voila! "Night and day differences!"
I do hope that folks come to understand that viewing distance and tv size actually make a big difference in how the eye discerns these differences in resolution. I recall reading these forums a long time ago when folks trashed that IGN guy for even daring to mention viewing distance. Larger tv's with larger pixels make the differences much more obvious. It is true that the higher up the resolution food chain ya get the more those computing returns are diminished.
Makes me wish that X1X games would have a native 4k setting plus a 2160c + reconstruction mode that ups the asset fidelity. I will be disappointed if devs don't use the significantly larger RAM on X1X to have better draw distances and reduced draw in too.
Native 2160p
This. I feel like a lot of people here may not understand that stuff like the increased graphics settings and whatnot can in most cases just be easily ported over from the PC version of a game to X1X.
SenjutsuSage
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Yea, rather than go too deep into all the various tweaks or optimizations they can do at various resolutions, they are going with what they can most easily achieve. I wouldn't doubt it being possible to get some, or most, of the effects that aren't available in the PS4 Pro's 1080p mode to work at higher resolutions on PS4 Pro, but what they seemed to know for certain is they couldn't get it to work with the existing work they've done at 4K, bringing us right back to the current situation.
Xbox One X is able to do at native 4K what the Elder Scrolls Online team were only able to achieve at native 1080p on PS4 Pro. If it were as simple as just doing it at a higher resolution they would have, but maybe that would have required more work than they felt necessary, hence 1080p was the easiest route. Xbox One X, however, making this all possible from the start at native 4K is damn impressive in comparison no matter how one looks at it. And I don't think for a second they somehow did more work on Xbox One X.
Everybody tends to only look at the GPUs for these consoles more or less, but I don't think people factor into the equation the huge gap in available RAM to both consoles, or even the gap that exists in raw memory bandwidth. Neither of these two things were disadvantages the Xbox One showcased compared to the PS4 at all (both had access to similar amounts of RAM for games), or to anywhere near the same extent.
People will mention DDR3 and ESRAM on Xbox One, but that ESRAM wasn't non-existent. It was there and made up for the slower speed of the DDR3 on Xbox One. There's nothing on PS4 Pro that is bringing the available memory bandwidth anywhere in the range of the 326GB/s available on the One X, even if it isn't a perfect world where the X has 100% access to every bit of that 326GB/s for games. The same would be true even for PS4 Pro, which again brings us back to where we started.
I think the extra ram & bandwidth is going to make the biggest difference when put to use.
SenjutsuSage
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Shadow of War is Native 4K apparently. And the first game was almost certainly no technical slouch. And once you see the 4K footage of this one running on Xbox One X, you see that this new one isn't either.
LukasTaves
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Killer Instinct was 900p on Xbone and according to Iron Galaxy is going to be 4k native on xbonex.
Liliana Eileen
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When was this announced?
LukasTaves
Member
It was one of the 5 first party games Ms announced to receive 4k resolution on xbonex during the conference.
Bits N Pieces
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Hah, its funny to watch people twist and turn when looking to downplay anything and everything, isn't it
Only if you assume everyone is using a 26inch screen still.
Liliana Eileen
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Ivory Samoan
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I disagree, in the MMORPG space; it's one of the best looking ones there is.