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Every single tv/movie option on the PS Vita TV can be done with the PS4. There's really no splitting anything.
It's pretty much like the rumored Xbox model with no slot drive and a focus on multimedia that ended up getting cut.
*smirks*
you really think I like microsoft?
Have no shame or fear in saying I don't like and will NEVER support a company that treats it's consumers like the most idiotic cattle out there.
Is this the Hello MajorNelson thread?
MajorNelson - I used to listen to your podcast (back in like 2006)? The first couple of years of the 360 were like the golden years. Just about every game on the system was better for the 360 than the PS3 so it was a no brainer. It also meant that I bought Xbox Live Gold for three years (even though I played Live maybe about one game a year). But the OS was snappy and colourful, and I really loved Xbox Live Arcade. Microsoft was showing Nintendo and Sony how to do console gaming.
But then the games stopped coming, we got Fable 2 and then 3, GOW 2 and then 3, Forza 2,3,4 and it was just churning out the same games over and over. Yes I understand that new IPs are developed at the start of the console cycle, but the last few years of the 360 were pretty dire in terms of first party content... there was still quite a lot of third party stuff like Elder Scrolls, COD and AC, but nothing besides Halo or Forza was coming out for the xbox.
Then where I think Xbox really lost its way was the development of Kinect and getting into motion gaming. From the outset, its really not what I the hardcore gamer is interested in. How can you think hardcore gamers want to wave their arms in a game, for a party game yes, but how do you do it for games we enjoy like Halo/ElderScrolls/Skyrim/DMC/COD, it just not possible, yet you somehow tried to sell it like it was the second coming of motion controls. And of course people bought it. That's great if you are looking at it from a business perspective, but im quite sure I won't be buying anything with Kinect attached (unless I see some genuinely innovative software and I'm not just buying on potential).
Of course I also think that Xbox Live is grossly overvalued at $50 a month especially when matched with the Playstation Plus offering. Whether the games are effectively rental, thats not really the point, at least they are giving the gamer something of value for the $50. And that it stretches over their portable console and the previous and next gen console is also a great offering. I purchased a Vita based on Plus alone.
I can go on about how Xbox has taken a great number of missteps in the last few years but before this gets too long and waste your time, I just want to give you my thoughts on how I think Microsoft could win me back as a consumer. Also I don't proclaim to tell you anything you didn't know, I'm sure you are way ahead of the people on Neogaf.
1. Getting a variety of games is important. Not everyone wants to play first person shooters or western fantasty games. What about horror, adventure games, strategy games, platform games, 2D games, horizontal/vertical shooters, fighting games list goes on. Get those third parties involved by lowering the red tape - get an ecosystem sorted out like Apple. I see you have removed some of the red tape over Xbox Live Arcade for indie developers and that's great, but lower the bar even more to ensure there's a great variety of games on the system.
2. Make or obtain games for hardcore gamers like Street Fighter or Dark Souls. No I'm not talking about Killer Instinct. I can count on one hand the number of good fighting games created by Western developers. It the hardcore games that create forum posts and feedback and chat and hence free PR for games.
3. If you're going to do TV, make it so its not just about switching back and forth between channels. Give me something compelling that I've never seen before, not just stats for an NFL game, thats cool but that's not really pushing the boundaries, thats a nice to have.
4. Stop promoting Skype on xbox... i can do skype on my smart TV or on the computer. It's just not what this gamer wants to see.
5. Kinect - already said my piece about Kinect but something else I want to say - if it really is just for interactive ads, i will be very disappointed.
6. Xbox Live - if you're going to charge for it, you better add some games to the service. Otherwise it would be a good move to stop charging for it, but Im sure you are enjoying the revenue too much to do otherwise. Surely it can't be too hard to offer some Xbox Live Arcade games for free on Xbox Live or heavily discounted.
7. Your DRM plan was massively flawed, not only in its execution but also in its messaging. To the average gamer, it was Steam, but the weird rules made it sound like Microsoft were scamming them. The family sharing plan seemed bizarre and counter intuitive, but then when Microsoft hit the panic button, suddenly the family sharing plan was the saviour.
All you had to do with your DRM console was say its like Steam and then consumers would have thought, 'ok I like Steam its not that bad, but you first had Adam Orth rile up all the hardcore gamers, and then you hit the panic button and your messaging was horrible.' Coupled with Sony mocking you openly in press conferences to loud ovations, it was a fucking disaster. Hate to be blunt and tell you what you know, but it was cringeworthy.
Obviously you are moving on from that and there's no point crying over spilt milk.
So to summarise, bring back the glory of the first few years of the 360 (without the RROD), compelling new software for hardcore gamers over a range of genres, fun small titles on xbox live arcade, forget about kinect cause its a deadend and put hardcore gamers first.
PS my apologies if I seem harsh.
MajorNelson - I used to listen to your podcast (back in like 2006)? The first couple of years of the 360 were like the golden years. Just about every game on the system was better for the 360 than the PS3 so it was a no brainer. It also meant that I bought Xbox Live Gold for three years (even though I played Live maybe about one game a year). But the OS was snappy and colourful, and I really loved Xbox Live Arcade. Microsoft was showing Nintendo and Sony how to do console gaming.
But then the games stopped coming, we got Fable 2 and then 3, GOW 2 and then 3, Forza 2,3,4 and it was just churning out the same games over and over. Yes I understand that new IPs are developed at the start of the console cycle, but the last few years of the 360 were pretty dire in terms of first party content... there was still quite a lot of third party stuff like Elder Scrolls, COD and AC, but nothing besides Halo or Forza was coming out for the xbox.
Then where I think Xbox really lost its way was the development of Kinect and getting into motion gaming. From the outset, its really not what I the hardcore gamer is interested in. How can you think hardcore gamers want to wave their arms in a game, for a party game yes, but how do you do it for games we enjoy like Halo/ElderScrolls/Skyrim/DMC/COD, it just not possible, yet you somehow tried to sell it like it was the second coming of motion controls. And of course people bought it. That's great if you are looking at it from a business perspective, but im quite sure I won't be buying anything with Kinect attached (unless I see some genuinely innovative software and I'm not just buying on potential).
Of course I also think that Xbox Live is grossly overvalued at $50 a month especially when matched with the Playstation Plus offering. Whether the games are effectively rental, thats not really the point, at least they are giving the gamer something of value for the $50. And that it stretches over their portable console and the previous and next gen console is also a great offering. I purchased a Vita based on Plus alone.
I can go on about how Xbox has taken a great number of missteps in the last few years but before this gets too long and waste your time, I just want to give you my thoughts on how I think Microsoft could win me back as a consumer. Also I don't proclaim to tell you anything you didn't know, I'm sure you are way ahead of the people on Neogaf.
1. Getting a variety of games is important. Not everyone wants to play first person shooters or western fantasty games. What about horror, adventure games, strategy games, platform games, 2D games, horizontal/vertical shooters, fighting games list goes on. Get those third parties involved by lowering the red tape - get an ecosystem sorted out like Apple. I see you have removed some of the red tape over Xbox Live Arcade for indie developers and that's great, but lower the bar even more to ensure there's a great variety of games on the system.
2. Make or obtain games for hardcore gamers like Street Fighter or Dark Souls. No I'm not talking about Killer Instinct. I can count on one hand the number of good fighting games created by Western developers. It the hardcore games that create forum posts and feedback and chat and hence free PR for games.
3. If you're going to do TV, make it so its not just about switching back and forth between channels. Give me something compelling that I've never seen before, not just stats for an NFL game, thats cool but that's not really pushing the boundaries, thats a nice to have.
4. Stop promoting Skype on xbox... i can do skype on my smart TV or on the computer. It's just not what this gamer wants to see.
5. Kinect - already said my piece about Kinect but something else I want to say - if it really is just for interactive ads, i will be very disappointed.
6. Xbox Live - if you're going to charge for it, you better add some games to the service. Otherwise it would be a good move to stop charging for it, but Im sure you are enjoying the revenue too much to do otherwise. Surely it can't be too hard to offer some Xbox Live Arcade games for free on Xbox Live or heavily discounted.
7. Your DRM plan was massively flawed, not only in its execution but also in its messaging. To the average gamer, it was Steam, but the weird rules made it sound like Microsoft were scamming them. The family sharing plan seemed bizarre and counter intuitive, but then when Microsoft hit the panic button, suddenly the family sharing plan was the saviour.
All you had to do with your DRM console was say its like Steam and then consumers would have thought, 'ok I like Steam its not that bad, but you first had Adam Orth rile up all the hardcore gamers, and then you hit the panic button and your messaging was horrible.' Coupled with Sony mocking you openly in press conferences to loud ovations, it was a fucking disaster. Hate to be blunt and tell you what you know, but it was cringeworthy.
Obviously you are moving on from that and there's no point crying over spilt milk.
So to summarise, bring back the glory of the first few years of the 360 (without the RROD), compelling new software for hardcore gamers over a range of genres, fun small titles on xbox live arcade, forget about kinect cause its a deadend and put hardcore gamers first.
PS my apologies if I seem harsh.
He's not paid to give info on a forum though, there's that
i was actually saying the total opposite but okay?
don't talk about of balancing things out when you just want to shit on something wich is what people called out others for
@sorry doublepost
I suppose what I meant is that "It negates the idea that Sony's attention, on their gaming side, is focused on gamers".
Yeah, you're right, I forgot about that Xbox model. But, again, it emphasizes the focus on a single product. It's just an angle that I never really considered in this 'console war'.
Major Nelson
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Now that I've had my coffee and a few minutes to do more reading on the Sony news-allow me to amend my comment: They're doing some interesting stuff with the Vita. I am curious where they'll go with this in terms of experiences.
Balanced is not the term I would use.
Chobel
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Fair Enough.
SHADES
Member
I think that's the obvious one that everyone wants, but I'm consigned to that not happening & even if it did I think it's too much of a 180.
I was thinking along the lines of 6/12months of XBL thrown in or maybe an extra controller etc not this " hey if you've already pre ordered in certain countries you might get a free FIFA download code" to me there was too many variables surrounding that offer to make it appealing.
ridethepiggy
Banned
Major:
As a PR rep for Microsoft do you ever get tired of having to do the PR speak? You're much more likable, endearing even when you speak from the heart with honesty as you have done here the last 24 hours. I've been quite the critic of yours over the last five months or so but I applaud your efforts so far on GAF.
I see, that's what you meant. You have a point, I do think however that handheld and home console gaming should be seen as two individual sectors and I would say the Vita TV is then a logical way to connect these two.
Anyways, there are other threads for this discussion
Spectral Entity
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Welcome, welcome Major Nelson!
Is the hot blonde still hanging out in the bottle?
Is the hot blonde still hanging out in the bottle?
I don't know I'm no native English speaker either but I believe when people say 'ok then' they don't just mean to say 'ok'. They mean to make something look stupid. That's different from saying 'I don't like it', which I wouldn't have thought would be arrogant.
It kind of reminds me the comment after the PS4 reveal. 'revealing a console without showing it? That's one approach'. He also didn't just mean to say it's an approach, he meant to say it's stupid. Not sure if this was Major Nelson though, it's just another example what I mean by arrogant.
It kind of reminds me the comment after the PS4 reveal. 'revealing a console without showing it? That's one approach'. He also didn't just mean to say it's an approach, he meant to say it's stupid. Not sure if this was Major Nelson though, it's just another example what I mean by arrogant.
Like chubigan said though, all those options are on the PS4...so saying it's entirely 'game focused' is a bit disingenuous. It's going to be an all in one platform for games, TV, movies, and music - just like the Xbox One, the PS3, the Xbox 360, etc...
PJV3
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Scrolling past posts is a risky buisness, that's some SAS level of guts and spunk.
DeadlyVirus
Member
I'm pretty sure they won't pull a 180 on what they announced...
Alright, I'll throw a question into the mix:
When will we get a full rundown on what providers and what level of compatibility we'll get with regards to the TV passthru on Xbox one (Canada too, please.)?
Also, will Xbox one have to be ON at all times to watch my Satellite box through it? Seems like an unnecessary extra power drain if I don't necessarily want/need Kinect on 24/7...
Also, welcome Larry
When will we get a full rundown on what providers and what level of compatibility we'll get with regards to the TV passthru on Xbox one (Canada too, please.)?
Also, will Xbox one have to be ON at all times to watch my Satellite box through it? Seems like an unnecessary extra power drain if I don't necessarily want/need Kinect on 24/7...
Also, welcome Larry
Pound_lb003
Member
I think it's stupid and I have no idea why anyone would want that.
But I do want Deep Down.
Dongs Macabre
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Question for Major Nelson:
Is the power button on the Xbox One easy to accidentally press? It looks like it'll be similar to the open tray button on the 360 where merely brushing against it will open the tray.
Is the power button on the Xbox One easy to accidentally press? It looks like it'll be similar to the open tray button on the 360 where merely brushing against it will open the tray.
DeadlyVirus
Member
My question: Do you plan on buying a PS4? If so, which game are you looking forward to playing (launch or not)
Looking forward to more of this insightful analysis.
"Interesting stuff..."
"Experiences..."
Hidden One
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
You think Vita TV is stupid? Wow. Considering what it will do I see nothing but amazing extensions of your gaming and media library with this thing.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Pound_lb003
Member
It's like an Ouya for PSVita games right?
Yeah, I feel pretty confident saying meh.
What a stupid comment.
Uncalled for.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I disagree but since we're in this MSFT thread, I'm moving on.
Do people really talk like this?
Steverulez
Member
Do things like this add anything? Its not even funny.
Nervous Sausage
Member
Can I just say I loved you in the unboxing Xbox One video. You made it sound really seductive. Also I hope that Voodoo Vince avatar is a hint for something...
Major Nelson
Neo Member
The sensitivity of the button is still being tweaked, the console I have is not final so I can't say for certain yet.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
If this thread can be a praise fest then it can also serve as a mechanism for criticisms. As I said earlier, the fence will swing both ways. At this point, the welcoming part of the thread has served its purpose.
DeadlyVirus
Member
The truth doesn't have to be funny, you know...
I still expect the truth to not be funny "when the truth finally comes out"
Heh, yeah. My cat frequently opened the disc drive to my roommate's 360 while he was playing it.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Yet more trolling, stay classy.
Steverulez
Member
I completely agree! That post wasn't criticism though, it was stupid and unnecessary.
DeadlyVirus
Member
Just like this one.
And you're right, it wasn't criticism. It was my opinion. Don't like it if you don't want to
Z_Y
Member
What do you think of this?
I used to look forward to the day that those in my generation who grew up with games would mature and the hobby would not looked down upon as a "kid" thing.
Then I realized that the bottom age of this audience segment is going to be a static number.
Sadness ever since.
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