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Which VR hardware will be the one to go with?
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'Hardware limitation' could also mean it being locked down on a console. No seeing some random VR experiment somebody made, and trying it out. No porn. Etc.
adamantypants
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I have a pretty good PC rig and I'm probably gonna go with PSVR. Sony is actually open about developing games for it and they seem to be wanting to push it. I have more faith that there will be games for it.
I, like others, am hoping that PC drivers will show up for PSVR, either officially or unofficially.
I, like others, am hoping that PC drivers will show up for PSVR, either officially or unofficially.
shiftplusone
Member
Was originally getting a vive for sure but impressions since they've all been out for press use has been that the vive is the weakest of the 3 in terms of comfort and control
PsVR has shown a lot of promise and with the box it eliminates some of my concerns(not sure why it would be a negative?)
Oculus for my PC unless HTC impressions shift positively again
Games lineup for the Rift and PSVR looks like they're gonna launch with some effort
PsVR has shown a lot of promise and with the box it eliminates some of my concerns(not sure why it would be a negative?)
Oculus for my PC unless HTC impressions shift positively again
Games lineup for the Rift and PSVR looks like they're gonna launch with some effort
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Aren't Vive and Rift locked to PC? Most people won't care either because you're either buying the 2 PC sets for PC use and PSVR for PS4 use.
That's why such an argument is really pointless.
What has been shown on PSVR shows how it pretty much is the real deal though. Consumers are going to see that form of VR first as well and it seems like Sony is ready to make VR a success as much as Oculus and HTC if not more. Look at how much they've shown and displayed VR at their shows.
No one can really say definitively until these HMDs are out, and little time has passed to build some kind of consensus.
To answer some of your questions, the FOV is going to be roughly the same across each headset, so that probably won't be a deciding factor. Motion sickness is dependent on the individual and the experience, less so the hardware at this point. The people who have tried the Oculus consumer version all claim that is much lighter than the previous versions - though some people still think the PSVR is more comfortable - probably depends on the individual.
For the average person It's going to come down to a few things I think, price, and convenience. Do you have a top of the line gaming computer? Are you willing to clear some floor space (or even the whole room for the Vive)? Would you rather just plug something into your PS4 and sit down?
Games and exclusives are going to come into play as well, and that might make a difference on which HMD you'll want...
To answer some of your questions, the FOV is going to be roughly the same across each headset, so that probably won't be a deciding factor. Motion sickness is dependent on the individual and the experience, less so the hardware at this point. The people who have tried the Oculus consumer version all claim that is much lighter than the previous versions - though some people still think the PSVR is more comfortable - probably depends on the individual.
For the average person It's going to come down to a few things I think, price, and convenience. Do you have a top of the line gaming computer? Are you willing to clear some floor space (or even the whole room for the Vive)? Would you rather just plug something into your PS4 and sit down?
Games and exclusives are going to come into play as well, and that might make a difference on which HMD you'll want...
DagnastyEp
Member
As someone who hasn't really followed VR, and definitely won't be an early adopter, there's going to be some tough choices for those who want to jump in early.
PSVR looks to be the best designed, and from the sounds of it the most comfortable to wear. It should also be the easier, lowest point of entry VR system - being plug and play with the PS4. I think PSVR will have the most mass market appeal, and possible have the highest sales year one.
But if I were to go all in on VR, I'd go with a high end PC and Vive or Oculus, most likely Oculus. In the long term, I just don't think PS4 has the horsepower to compete with what we'll see on PC. As PC hardware advances, we'll see more advanced VR coming out to take advantage or it. As a fully VR company (though owned by FB), Oculus seems to be taking the right steps to ensure VR, for them at least, is a success - with setting up new studios, and partnerships with developers for exclusive games.
A big question mark is software. What's the software roadmap looks like, in 2016, and into the future. I've yet to see a game that I'd really want to sit and play indefinitely in VR - there's no "Killer app" yet.
So If I'm buying in 2016, I'm getting a new PC and an Oculus. Looking a few years down the road though, I think PS5 + PSVR has a real chance of becoming the dominant VR platform.
PSVR looks to be the best designed, and from the sounds of it the most comfortable to wear. It should also be the easier, lowest point of entry VR system - being plug and play with the PS4. I think PSVR will have the most mass market appeal, and possible have the highest sales year one.
But if I were to go all in on VR, I'd go with a high end PC and Vive or Oculus, most likely Oculus. In the long term, I just don't think PS4 has the horsepower to compete with what we'll see on PC. As PC hardware advances, we'll see more advanced VR coming out to take advantage or it. As a fully VR company (though owned by FB), Oculus seems to be taking the right steps to ensure VR, for them at least, is a success - with setting up new studios, and partnerships with developers for exclusive games.
A big question mark is software. What's the software roadmap looks like, in 2016, and into the future. I've yet to see a game that I'd really want to sit and play indefinitely in VR - there's no "Killer app" yet.
So If I'm buying in 2016, I'm getting a new PC and an Oculus. Looking a few years down the road though, I think PS5 + PSVR has a real chance of becoming the dominant VR platform.
Bear Force One
Banned
I'm sure that makes a difference to some, but they were never going to buy a PS VR solution anyway.
Dreamwriter
Member
Motion sickness is up to the game to fix, not the hardware. There are certain things games can do which cause motion sickness in VR, so the game developers need to work around them. This is why you see VR games where the player warps from place to place, or the camera remains in once place until the player moves to another screen. Oculus said their store (Oculus Home) will have a game rating called "comfort level", so people who think they can handle first-person shooters can go for the extreme sick-making games, while people who barf at the drop of a hat can stick to the safer games. Hopefully the competition follows suit.
Any game that is 100% room-scale where you physically walk around your room to move your character in VR will not give motion sickness, which is where HTC Vive has an advantage being built-around room-scale VR.
Personally I'm going with the Rift first. I think it'll be the best device at launch, especially since I don't care for room scale VR. I'm sure PSVR will be fine for a year or 2 but I have doubts about the PS4 in the long run.
I'm a little nervous with the Vive and it being a HTC product.
I'm a little nervous with the Vive and it being a HTC product.
backbreaker65
Banned
I think Oculus is probably going to have the most polished launch and the biggest early library of software - from games to porn. Also, the final Rift headset is super comfy and light - much better than the developer kits that most people have tried.
You do know Sony, Oculus and Vive are pretty much using the same dev tools, sharing the same middleware dev Unity, UE4 and Crytek. And if the devs are to be believed it's pretty much drag and drop porting across platforms with of course some minor adjusments for PS4 graphics and Framerate.
This is why i find it strange people talking about Sony not supporting this product. This is not a standalone device like MOVE, Kinect, and Wii. VR, is being supported by 3 companies with virtually the same tools for developement.
taken from gameinformer interview
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...rd-marks-virtual-reality.aspx?PostPageIndex=2
Shuei Yoshida
Of course, we have so many developers we have great relationships with – especially the last few years, where our focus has been to support the indie developers. We are such a big fan of small, new novelties and creative games coming from indie communities, and we are working closely with middleware companies like Unity, Unreal, and Crytek. It’s been natural to us to be able to say to these communities that now they have an option to make a VR game. And it’s okay for them to start by making a prototype on PC using Oculus because the Rift was already available to purchase, but as long as they are using middleware like Unreal or Unity, it’s going to be so easy to bring it over to PS VR.
That was before we were able to supply enough PS VR development kits. Now, we can supply in abundance, so some developers may choose to start their development on PS4 for PS VR instead of porting over from PC. Like we support indies who work on PC first for Steam, we have no problem and are very excited to work with developers who are working on any VR experience whether it’s on PC or mobile. We can say that they can move their game to PS VR as well and we’ll support the effort. That’s how we are approaching it.
Of course, we’d like to see our major triple-A publishers to start working on PS VR content as well, and you have seen some efforts and demos released, especially from Japanese publishers like Bandai Namco, Capcom, Sega, and Square Enix. That’s great, and I hope more will be done; like Ubisoft was showing Trackmania on PS VR during E3 already. The larger publishers, because of their enormous resources, they tend to wait for the market to mature before they can justify investing on a larger scale, but I’m very optimistic that this will come.
Valve making exclusives....making games.... Half Life 3 Confirmed? I think Oculus has first party games and it will not be written for other VR devices. The safe bet is Rift and PSVR. Vive is great and all, but I have a feeling that Valve is going to half ass it like their controller/Link/Box.
biglittleps
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Sony is really serious this time (Move was released ahead in time and only Sony had to develop games for it so it ended like that, but still Move is playing a big role in VR) and they are bringing many indies who will be key for early VR games but not AAA studios. We surely can expect most of the quality VR indie games from PC will end up in PS4 along with its own exclusive at cheaper price its a worthy investment until PS5 shows up. Even Vive and Rift will have its successors in few years, so you have to update your headset to keep up with new games and their requirements/price will be a lot higher. Also look at the announced VR games for PS VR and currently around 200+ developers are working on it. PS4 success and its install base going to be very useful for the VR mainstream success.
Canis lupus
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PSVR will be the mainstream device,. plug n play, easy. Everyone says it's the most polished and comfortable one. And even though some games will trickle down to other platforms, it has the best library so far with actual games for it, not promises and vague videos of concepts and prototypes in some devs office.
Also: when was the last time a pc only peripheral set the world on fire, the webcam?
Also: when was the last time a pc only peripheral set the world on fire, the webcam?
The Vive will have exclusive stuff. HTC have already shown their VR Store solution to devs last week.
IMO, my personal choice would still be Oculus. I think it's going to be the most supported device going forward, and the Touch controllers sound incredible. Don't care too much about room scale, but standing up and moving around a little if needed would be fine.
I also think it's going to be the lightest, smallest, and most comfortable of the three... but that's just from the look of things.
I also think it's going to be the lightest, smallest, and most comfortable of the three... but that's just from the look of things.
Dreamwriter
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What does the owner have to do with it? Facebook promised (in contract) to let Oculus do their own thing for 3-5 years, not interfering. For now being owned by Facebook is only an advantage for Oculus - it gives them near-infinite money and great connections.
As for exclusive stuff, keep in mind the only exclusive Oculus games are ones that Oculus themselves are developing, or paying for development (publishing). And they've said they would be fine with consumers modding Oculus games to work on competing hardware.
Newtype-001
Member
PSVR if i do buy one, dont have a powerful pc plus RIGS and Ace Combat are looking mighty nice.
Hoping for Yu-Gi-Oh VR
Turin Turambar
Member
Vive vs Rift, pure speculation
In screens, both will be almost the same.
Comfort, it seems Rift wins slightly.
Controllers. Vive wins as it seems a more solid technical solution without occlusion problems, Touch not shipping with the HMD is also bad, though the controller seems more ergonomic to me.
In content, I think the Rift will have the edge, because the development kit has been around in quantities for ages, the same for the sdk, they were the ones in starting, they have some exclusive games and also are giving attention to the non-game side (social app, cinema app, netflix app, story studio, 360 photos, etc).
Price, who knows, though Facebook is in a much better position than HTC economically?
Future proof, both have things planned for the future of course, but Oculus got a crack ninja team with John Carmack, Michael Abrash (and more people that came from id and Valve), Chris Bregler from ILM, and they bought several teams with interesting research projects (carbon design, nimble vr, 13th lab, Pebbles).
In screens, both will be almost the same.
Comfort, it seems Rift wins slightly.
Controllers. Vive wins as it seems a more solid technical solution without occlusion problems, Touch not shipping with the HMD is also bad, though the controller seems more ergonomic to me.
In content, I think the Rift will have the edge, because the development kit has been around in quantities for ages, the same for the sdk, they were the ones in starting, they have some exclusive games and also are giving attention to the non-game side (social app, cinema app, netflix app, story studio, 360 photos, etc).
Price, who knows, though Facebook is in a much better position than HTC economically?
Future proof, both have things planned for the future of course, but Oculus got a crack ninja team with John Carmack, Michael Abrash (and more people that came from id and Valve), Chris Bregler from ILM, and they bought several teams with interesting research projects (carbon design, nimble vr, 13th lab, Pebbles).
will start with psvr for sure (would get it either way). if i build a gaming rig again i will most likely get vive or rift too, i will wait how things fold out.
i dont understand the argument that psvr is a nogo because its sony exclusive. its not like vive or rift will work on consoles.. so they are exclusive, too.
i dont understand the argument that psvr is a nogo because its sony exclusive. its not like vive or rift will work on consoles.. so they are exclusive, too.
wanderjahr
Banned
Wherever the games are, I'll go.
Dreamwriter
Member
Yeah, cost is going to be a big factor for people. The PC needed to run VR games is rather hefty - one example game, Elite: Dangerous, requires an nVidia GTX 980ti with 6GB RAM, a hefty CPU, and 16GB system RAM, for VR (on consumer hardware). Because VR *requires* a solid framerate, and on both Vive and Oculus that framerate is 90fps.
PSVR requires...a PS4.
PSVR requires...a PS4.
jimbobsmells
Member
PSVR because I don't have a PC anymore.
1st Course
Member
This is a big thing for PS4. By the time PS VR will be out, there will be around 50m individuals or so who have a machine capable of VR. The install-base is already there, Sony just need to convince them that VR is worth it.
DancingNalwood
Member
PSVR is going to be the easiest and potentially cheapest option. Plus it'll have plenty of support.
Out of the pc contenders I'm swinging towards the vive atm. I mean price, support and the other peripherals may change that, but after trying them both the vive headset is better imo.
Out of the pc contenders I'm swinging towards the vive atm. I mean price, support and the other peripherals may change that, but after trying them both the vive headset is better imo.
Dreamwriter
Member
Yeah, all three work fine with glasses wearers. It does keep your eyes a little bit further from the screens, cutting down your Field of View a little.
Turin Turambar
Member
I think the final consumer versions have a physical slider to move the optics closer or farther away, making space for glasses.
Depends on your situation and money really.
If you have all the money in the world, then all three, as that will mean you don't miss anything.
If you have a good PC rig, or are already planning on upgrading it, orcan get it to OR's minimum spec easily I'm guessing there isn't much between Vive & OR - especially as both can provide full room VR when using a two-tracking unit setup. Having said that, Vive supposedly has some secret sauce coming through...
PSVR is the obvious solution if you're like me - has a neglected PC, no budget to upgrade it, and only really games on the console.
Software wise I think all platforms will be well served, if only because devs will want to be on all four platforms (inc. GearVR) to maximise audience reach. PC will be the most varied for sure, but there will be enough absorbing games on PSVR to let the platform stand on its own.
If you have all the money in the world, then all three, as that will mean you don't miss anything.
If you have a good PC rig, or are already planning on upgrading it, orcan get it to OR's minimum spec easily I'm guessing there isn't much between Vive & OR - especially as both can provide full room VR when using a two-tracking unit setup. Having said that, Vive supposedly has some secret sauce coming through...
PSVR is the obvious solution if you're like me - has a neglected PC, no budget to upgrade it, and only really games on the console.
Software wise I think all platforms will be well served, if only because devs will want to be on all four platforms (inc. GearVR) to maximise audience reach. PC will be the most varied for sure, but there will be enough absorbing games on PSVR to let the platform stand on its own.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Probably Oculus at first due to knowing I won't need to upgrade my gpu (970) and there will be a lot of content available designed to run @ the 90 fps through their store at that spec.
Will pick up a psvr down the road, not sure when I'll get the Vive. If there's some amazeballs title that has no hope of being ported or running nice on Oculus (room scale issues) the Vive has I'll be more tempted to snag the latter sooner.
Will pick up a psvr down the road, not sure when I'll get the Vive. If there's some amazeballs title that has no hope of being ported or running nice on Oculus (room scale issues) the Vive has I'll be more tempted to snag the latter sooner.
Marion Cobretti
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Rift will likely have the most over all polish.
Vive seems to have the best interface.
Has Sony confirmed that Morpheus is PS4 exclusive? I can't imagine Sony would do that. I bet it'll be PC compatible. Sony has a really good understanding of how big VR will be, I don't think my they'd want to limit their user base.
Vive seems to have the best interface.
Has Sony confirmed that Morpheus is PS4 exclusive? I can't imagine Sony would do that. I bet it'll be PC compatible. Sony has a really good understanding of how big VR will be, I don't think my they'd want to limit their user base.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Also, think about how the HW is just that, the HW. Meaning we could see future use for it on PS5 much like Move controllers working on PS4.
And the added horsepower of their next platform will push everything even higher.
On PC this is inherent so that's awesome as well.
The Dear Leader
Banned
If I were to get one it would probably be the HTC Vive, but I won't be getting one until a few iterations in, give them time to work out the bugs and give me time to upgrade my PC a bit.
Dreamwriter
Member
Yeah they did. Sony doesn't want to sell VR headsets, they want to sell games and collect licensing fees.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
I'm getting all three.
Marion Cobretti
Member
Well, I hope they deliver on content.
I'd imagine PC is gonna be where it's at for software and variety.
I'm sure Sony will come up with some compelling stuff for PS4 owners.