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Wii U Thread - Now in HD!
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lordfroakie
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Father_Brain
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ShockingAlberto: does your "parity+" prediction re: Japanese third parties apply to Konami and Square Enix?
lordfroakie
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Guess what? Koijima's mind can change too! Just because he said it, doesnt mean Ground Zero isnt coming to Wiiu.
Kojima has Konami by the nutsack. I never had any hope to begin with.
Glorified G
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Anyone that had any interest in these type of games probably owns a 360/PS3 anyway.
Yes, you are.
I wasn't impressed by it either TBH, but it does look really good.
MadeInBeats
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Spieler Eins
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Sakurai better not put Snake into Smash again.
On another note, if games look that good on PS3 nowadays, how big of a jump could PS4/720 possibly make that would hinder developers from WiiU ports? As some one else said before, it's mostly that devs don't want to deal with Nintendos policies and whatnot. Hopefully other Japanese support is somehow decent, it's not like this console has anything else left currently...
chertipros
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What did he say about it?
Iwata made it clear in front of analysts he doesn't to show what they are cooking until the last moment for competitive reasons. I think he's right, as hype can build in a couple of months anyway.
test_account
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I think pretty much everything is shown from the WiiU itself.
Well no, they've not connected the dots. We don't know what the full OS will look like, what they intend to do with NFC, what apps/Wii U channels will be available, how deep their online service is, if Miiverse is implemented in all games, to what extent etc.
Then they didn't show their 2nd wave of games because Iwata thought their concepts could give ideas and get copied. I'm sure I read something along these lines.
I believe Nintendo is not unhappy to be underestimated while their competitors would still have time to change their plans.
And there are still some NintendoLand games to be shown.
Spieler Eins
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Which is why any expectations for substantial game announcements at the september thing will only lead to even more disappointment. Reggie has also said something like, the next step already is preparing next years batch of holiday titles.
Most likely gotta live with the lacklustre and completely unconvincing lineup until next years E3 and hope for the best if you're a launch buyer. What a fucking terrible strategy by Nintendo, I hope they fall flat on the face for not even having at least a couple of full-fledged Nintendogames specifically made for this console in return in the launch window, while trying to frame people into buying their cheap tech demos and cash-ins at full price.
Sounds plausible and I'll think it's £279.99.
CaptNfantasy
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All of that stuff is possible in a game now.
We know that some new third-party games will be announced at the Sept. conference according to Iwata. Hopefully, we'll see at least 2 good titles to hold us over until E3 2013 comes around. Launch year is always a rough one for consumers while console manufacturers tell us to be patient.
fabricated backlash
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Yeah it really becomes quite clear that Iwatas talk about "lessons learned" was just that: TALK. So far I haven't seen anything that would suggest that they actually acted on the lessons learned from the Wii and 3DS launch.
3rd parties will ignore Nintendo once again, releasing their big caliber games on other plattforms while spamming their digital sewage on Nintendos console.
If at least Nintendo themselves would actually ensure that they have enough content in a steady schedule, but I highly doubt that.
Spieler Eins
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Japanese 3rd party would have to be absolutely stellar to fix this whole situation. Usually, you must let your potential launch buyers know what exactly they can expect in the future. This whole ,,launch window only'' strategy is flat-out idiotic, even more so since the launch really isn't that spectacular anyway. People try to label it as great, though it completely lacks what you'd want from a Nintendo console (Nintendo games that aren't cash-ins with hardly any effort behind them) and unlike 3DS etc, as already mentioned, you don't have any idea what's beyond. They must be in super arrogance mode again to start their new console like this. Or maybe they just completely mishandled their development. In both cases they need some serious slapping, because I fear the future for this thing if they succeed with this ridiculous strategy.
There's obviously alot of factors that plague new hardware launches and third-parties cannot always commit to even doing early port jobs. Being in an extended generation doesn't make things any easier. Did people really expect the majority of Fall 2012 and holiday multiplatform releases to come out for Wii U this year, especially from western developers ? Come on now.
We have yet to really hear from what Japanese third-parties are doing beyond Namco Bandai and Platinum Games. However, we know Capcom has some things and Square is supposed to bring DQX to it. For a lot of devs, they want to focus on finishing up development of their current projects before dealing with a new platform. Others are playing the wait and see game approach especially when there's still a lot of unknown things even third-parties are not made aware of Wii U yet. Given how Retro Studios and Monolith Soft haven't made new games since 2010, they should be ready to at least show them at next E3. Nintendo's been busy making games for two platforms but it needs to release a new console sooner rather than later. It apparently thinks it has enough to offer without causing a similar problem that the 3DS faced.
If we look back at Xbox 360's launch, it apparently had 99% of its titles were ports in 2006. Microsoft didn't do a great job of bringing in enough exclusives as it ended up delaying Mass Effect, Too Human, and Crackdown to 2007 and 2008. Two of those titles saw signicant delays.
Microsoft is willing to pay out the ass to get the games coming to their platform, often while securing exclusive DLC. Is Nintendo willing to do the same?
There were no issues with the Wii launch, apart from not being able to meet the insane demand. The problem with the 3DS launch was both price and no killer apps. Iwata already commented on the price part, and NSMBU as well as Wii Fit U are the killer apps.
Nope, but for good reason. Paying millions for exclusive DLC and the like isn't reasonable for a company like Nintendo do to.
SolidSnakex
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Did that rumor about NSMBU not being a launch title turn out to be false?
The guy whoever wrote this does not know the laws of Nintendo mathematics.
This is clearly NOT the price in Euro or Dollars. That means it is in GBP. He further shows his ineptitude in Nintendo philosophy as he doesn't know how currency compares in the mind of Nintendo. Always f*ck the british most, then the EU. So 279 pounds would roughly equal 299 euro's, and since Nintendo puts a dollar for a euro, that means 299 dollars (without taxes).
Tah-dah
Naturally, Nintendo doesn't do that. Nintendo is instead focusing on releasing launch titles that it hopes will be evergreen in addition to teaming up with third-parties to publish titles like P-100 and Lego City. Microsoft didn't have a killer-app at launch and Halo 3 was 2 years away from being ready. Microsoft needed to moneyhat some third-parties.
PS3 Fat under load was ~200W.
And you can compensate for the GPU having a higher TDP by using lower-powered CPU cores while relying on general processing in the GPU... just like "another console" we've been talking about for over the past year.
No way, the CPU on the Ps4 is gonna be an order of magnitude more powerful than the Cell!
If an algorithm is computationally complex is not worth it to use it outside academic purposes.
Edit: Milo was a glorified chatbox at best.
my wii u decision will probably be based on how many games support using the gamepad screen instead of a tv. That, and the library of course. It's not really good to see new games announced with no Wii U version, maybe they are keeping it under wraps, but if a "current" gen system can't even get current gen games, it's going to get ugly fast.
Yeah free would be good
£249 would be my upper estimate if they want it to be a "pleasant surprise".I'll be buying one either way. The hesitation will just be "hmmm......cash or credit?"
Spieler Eins
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Well, they've apparently learned nothing but ,,slap New Mario Bros on it and we'll be fine''. Pretty much the wrong lesson, so hopefully it doesn't work out. Seems like the 3DS Mario cash-in already doesn't even come close to its predecessors numbers in Japan. Wii Fit could also very well suffer the same fate as Nintendogs 2.
Skiesofwonder
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MGS:GZ better fricken come to WiiU. This is Nintendo, who currently owns Japan-land and has a great relationship with eastern developers. Western developers not supporting it is one thing, but this is totally different.
Kojima would rather port it for Vita first. He said as much.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Link?
Kojima hasn't been a big supporter of Nintendo in the past so I doubt it will happen unless Konami forces him. Even if it were to happen, the port would likely be outsourced.
Unfortunately this sounds about right. However, the slight positive is that the big N has finally recognised that they are way behind in the EU, so hopefully now is the time for them to address that by not shifting us quite so harshly.
KillerTravis
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Just when my fucking 360 die they announce MGS: GZ, and it turns out it's not coming to the next system I'm buying? FML
Iwata already confirmed they wont do this.
Uno Venova
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This is why I'm planning to keep the WiiU as just a complimentary console for nintendo software. Can't trust it to get good third party support.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I know what has happened in the past, but it makes zero logical sense to NOT bring MGS:GZ to WiiU, for both parties.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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What rumor? The game has been confirmed for launch awhile ago.
Spieler Eins
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Seriously, they had a year of silence and all they've got in that time was Rayman and some Mass Effect port? And they actually LOST that Metro game. Pathetic...
And right now, you can't even use that typical excuse of ,,Well you buy Nintendo platforms for 1st party games'' because there hasn't been anything new on that front either.
P-100 was pretty much the only somehow decent move they've made and the Japanese support would need to have more of that to somehow make up for this mess. Lots and lots of similar announcemts. But apparently they don't even care enough about that to hold a conference... Not holding my breath if the Japanese details come from one of these Direct things.
I'm not sure what Kojima and Konami's reason may be, but it is what it is. If Nintendo's not willing to convince them in any way it can, then Wii U owners will just miss out on yet another big announced title. Nintendo's lack of common sense boggles the mind sometimes because it knows how much gamers care about these AAA third-party franchises yet it is so willing to take a big gamble on having its platforms miss out on them. It's like Nintendo saying "Hey man, you bought a Wii U. You should have known what your getting into."
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