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Windows 10 Anniversary Update breaks Dual Shock 4 drivers.
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LordBaztion
Member
Tim, was right. Hurry, check if Chrome or any other app that is actually threatening MS, still works.
Btw, is up to MS or the developer fix that DS4 app?
Btw, is up to MS or the developer fix that DS4 app?
Dev.
We don't know that, do we? The last time it was out of the devs control. He couldn't fix it unless MS fixed something first.
Why would MS go out of their way to help the dev? If they helped every third party dev they'd never get their own stuff done. Why in the world does Sony not offer their own driver?
Whether or not you think the criticism is valid removing features and third party HW support breaking doesn't exactly scream he was wrong either. A pattern is beggining to develop. The question should be whether or not it will continue not "lol theres nothing to worry abotu this is normal." The update did break DS4 compatibility. It also removed various features and user control options that were previously available. That's worth a raised eyebrow or two considering both the company's history and the comments from certain voices in the industry. If you think that its a fluke thats fine but acting as if there is nothing to be suspicious of at all with so many of these recent developments is either incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.
LordBaztion
Member
then we will have to wait for the developer to pronounce and see, if it is up to MS, how are they willing to cooperate.
Windows 10 anniversary has been in the making for at least 6-8 months. If they dev had a preview account they should have had months to figure it out. Whatever the case obviously Sony doesn't give a crap to offer their own drivers, so you have other dev's to come out and update the drivers. Seem's to me that Sony doesn't want their controllers on windows.
Lol. I still don't see how it is up to MS to "look out" for 3rd party tools to work with their OS.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
Why doesn't Sony release official drivers for the DS4 for Windows? If they did that, then it would not be a problem.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Is this the first update to break a random driver and add questionable new features and take some out?
Pattern:
1996: Microsoft adds ActiveX to Internet Explorer, harming Netscape compatibility
2001: Microsoft is accused of implementing a strategy that locks down Java to Windows
2016: Tim Sweeney holds Microsoft accountable for the anti-competitive destruction of Steam that hasn't happened yet, one week after somebody's DS4 stops working in an OS update
The darkest timeline truly
Not that I'm saying that people shouldn't be frustrated, but you have been pointing your finger at MS the entire time in this thread and haven't made one comment to the fact that either Sony should come out with drivers of their own or the dev needs to catch up to the update.
AcceptableGhost
Member
To clarify for people, the PS4 controller always works as a DInput controller. There are programs that make it appear as a 360 controller (XInput). This still works. What broke is whatever trick is being used to hide the DInput controller (exclusive mode), so now both controllers are present and active at all times. This will break some games.
Right.
Can anyone answer why Sony doesn't come out with their own driver and support it?
CrispyBoar
Banned
I just wish that another OS exists so that us gamers don't have to deal with Microsoft & their BS.
Mufausa The 3rd
Member
Yo.. it's 2012 all over again. I expect a movie by the end of this year by Lionsgate Studios or Legendary Pictures.
You do. PS4
Google supports Chrome on Windows and Apple supports Itunes on windows. Sony doesn't support their drivers on windows. It's not MS fault or their responsibility.
Mad Season
Banned
Always the dev
Yeah but us gamers against the evil system and remember what happened to Netscape
Yep. Sweeney called it man!
Well your entitled to your view of the situation but that doesnt exactly explain away the other issues with the update removing user control and making previously optional features mandatory without registry edits. You're looking at the broken compatibility in a vacuum. The point is that its part of a pattern that just so happens to align with statements made recently by a well known figure in the industry. So those dots will get connected whether you believe its a fluke or not. Again all I'm saying is that the question should be whether or not the pattern continues with future updates to the OS not whether it exists at all.
The point is its not just the addition of features and the removal of features its the removal of user control of existing features and functions. Removing user control is not a "feature." I certainly can't recall many Windows updates that remove user control options or remove the ability to disable certain previously optional features outside of registry edits. I If you can show otherwise I will happily stand corrected.
Because the DS4 is already supported on the PC, games just need to code in support for it. But since most games are only made with 360 pad in mind you need a DS4->360 emulation. It's ridiculous.
They're too busy trying to sabotage Steam.
well the games are made for Xinput. Sony should release official drivers.
What does this have to do with the OP? As a dev you are in the know of what is happening and you test accordingly. Stop with the goal post or some vague crap that doesn't apply to this thread.
The real question is why doesn't Sony support drivers for their own product? Google, Apple, and MS all have apps on each others systems. They all support it their own apps. Period. There's no conspiracy here.
statham
Member
Ori was in to spy, those crooked Microsoft. I never trusted crooked Microsoft.
You might mock us gamers now, but wait till I post my wikipedia link to EEE
Then devs should make more for the DS4 in mind, or Sony should make their own drivers.
Actually this is more of a request from me because I would really like to use the nice DS4 d-pad without faffing around.
Sony should release official drivers already. They'll probably do a better job of keeping them up to date.
The upgrade has been flawless for me so far. I was afraid something with Steam may be wrong reading some of the impressions, but everything is running perfectly.
As with any update, I'm sure some of the wrinkles will be ironed out soon.
The upgrade has been flawless for me so far. I was afraid something with Steam may be wrong reading some of the impressions, but everything is running perfectly.
As with any update, I'm sure some of the wrinkles will be ironed out soon.
rakkadakka
Member
Sony doesn't release official drivers for DS4.
Windows update breaks work around users created
MS defense force really ought to lay off.
Dsyndrome
Member
Do any of you blaming Sony even use DS4 on Windows 10? Were you not around the last time an update broke shit and wasn't fixed for months last year?
The reality is that shit was fine with everyone until this update, now it's not. If you want to complain about Sony not making official drivers, do it in another thread, seriously.
The reality is that shit was fine with everyone until this update, now it's not. If you want to complain about Sony not making official drivers, do it in another thread, seriously.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Remind me why Microsoft should care about a third party driver when applying an update to their OS? Isn't it generally up to the supplier of third party drivers to update their driver to be compliant with new OS versions?
I mean, why do you think apps get updated when new phone software comes out? It's not up to Apple to take the millions of apps into account when implementing a new version of iOS.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
I miss the 90s when everyone hated MS, we had aki wrestling games, and World Trade Centers...it was a nicer time.
Eiffel 65 was a mistake tho.
Eiffel 65 was a mistake tho.
vasametropolis
Member
I mean, it's possible MS were scum about it. However, it has been broken before in Windows 10 and an update fixed it. It's possible it's a regression... or, you know... they just might be asses.
I was planning on getting the new Xbox One controller with bluetooth in the near future, but I really rely on my dualshock 4 right now. Not gonna be too happy about this... just started updating.
I was planning on getting the new Xbox One controller with bluetooth in the near future, but I really rely on my dualshock 4 right now. Not gonna be too happy about this... just started updating.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
I just used this yesterday
killer rin
Member
Well, this goes even further down the rabbit hole of what technical problem each individual framework was made for... and I'm probably going to brutalize the explanation by simplifing it... but here we go!
The reason Windows defaults to DInput is because DInput was developed to be as wide reaching as possible to allow a Hardware Developer to make a Racing Wheel with the same type of driver as a Joystick, with the same type of driver as a controller, with the same type of driver... ect, ect you get the point. Anyhow, to do this, the framework is made flexible, but not nessesarily easy to use. This also means that DInput has to support essentially unlimited numbers of buttons and triggers
actually, there is a limit but its insanely large
By comparison, XInput is a narrow set of specs that deals with a specific type of controller, the Xbox 360 controller and all of its joystick variations (Guitar, Wheel, Dance Pad, ect). Because of this, the framework is easy to use because it is narrow in focus, and because of the popularity of the Xbox 360 controller, it became the standard used by every single Controller Hardware Developer on Windows
And to answer your original question finally, the reason why Windows defaults it to a DInput driver is because it is the more vertisaile. You can guarentee that it will map to DInput in every case, whereas you can only map it to XInput if it fits a specific criteria. Hence why it defaults to DInput
Actually, it really defaults to what replaced DInput which is RawInput, which XInput is a subclassification of... but that just makes the explanation more complex
Now for your Linux question, DInput, XInput
and Raw Input
Pretty much, the only way you are going to find a DInput device in 2016, is if you either specifically go out looking for one, or if you get an old controller, or if the Hardware Developer doesn't create a driver for their controllers.
Frustrated_me
Member
Exactly.
This happens in Android and IOS all the time with each OS update. Are people just joining the internet?
The DS4 driver devs needs to upgrade their software. They had months to get their drivers updates in the OS preview program but instead chose not to do anything.
Are people seriously blaming MS here?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I mean Christ, Sony bricks their own console unintentionally when they do software uodates. But Microsoft should be expected to take a third party driver into account for a controller made by a direct competitor?
What kind of bizarro world do people live in when they have these expectations?
Frustrated_me
Member
I legit laughed.
schaft0620
Member
Second unfounded thread on Windows 10 breaking games. 0 proof. People have issues with games on PC. It happens.