Dude, I have no idea.
I have never seen so many people laying the blame on MS when Sony doesn't even support their own driver for their own product! This thread is laughable.
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Windows 10 Anniversary Update breaks Dual Shock 4 drivers.
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Dude, I have no idea.
I have never seen so many people laying the blame on MS when Sony doesn't even support their own driver for their own product! This thread is laughable.
Frustrated_me
Member
Cooperate on what? The devs are lazy af and didn't update their drivers well knowing Windows 10 update was releasing.
Microsoft has nothing to do, it's the devs responsibility to fix their shit.
Netherscourge
Banned
Thought the purpose of an update was to fix shit, not break shit...
It can do both. It's that good.
Frustrated_me
Member
APIs are updated, backend stuff is modified, etc. The devs need to be on their A-game and update their software accordingly.
For example, ANDROID N is about to be released soon, it's currently in beta, I as an app developer need to ensure my app is updated too so it's ready for ANDROID N and isn't broken on release date.
Makes sense?
jediyoshi
Member
The problems will occur with games that natively support the DS4 where you would rather use an xinput wrapper like the ones listed in OP.
- Games that support the DS4 will continue to work.
- Using an xinput wrapper for a game that doesn't natively support the DS4 will continue to work.
- Using Steam Big Picture Mode as an xinput wrapper will continue to work.
Frustrated_me
Member
LOL, well done.No.
Microsoft should offer to update your app for you.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
What is going on in here? Is this the first time you guys are experiencing an OS update causing some 3rd party application to break or not function properly?
Holy shit, I have to wonder if some of the posts here are legitimate. We use a mixture of Macs and windows at work and this is not rare thing. Developers for the most part are responsible for making sure their software works and play nice with OS updates as well.
Amazing.
Good lord.
Holy shit, I have to wonder if some of the posts here are legitimate. We use a mixture of Macs and windows at work and this is not rare thing. Developers for the most part are responsible for making sure their software works and play nice with OS updates as well.
Amazing.
Good lord.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Yeah, fix THEIR shit. Not avoid breakingother people's.
Developers have known about the Anniversary update for what 6 months? There's dev preview programs. They've had PLENTY of time to get their driver ready for this update.
And the Dev program is open to anyone.
Frustrated_me
Member
I'm convinced there's a good level of trolling going on in the Microsoft threads, mods letting it slide like it's nobodies business.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Funny how those first few conspiracy theorists on the first page aren't posting much in the thread anymore. Probably realised the stupidity in their posts?
Yep. Thread is dead.
I mean it all comes back to don't fault the little dev making a third party app for a product that their own company doesn't support.
I mean...
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Only 4 pages?
Thread needs more flak.
Thread needs more flak.
Maybe they were joking and some are overly sensitive about MS. The tone of those post didn't seem that Serious to me.
Dsyndrome
Member
Dude, this isn't the first time this has happened:
Do not upgrade to Windows 10 (yet) if you are using DualShock 4
The thread was created as a PSA that the update breaks the apps. Your posts in this thread aren't helping shit.
If they were overly sensitive it means they were serious. That's a bit of irony.
And I'm still waiting why be pissed at MS when and why doesn't Sony create and support their own drivers.
I'm saying the people that can't tell when someone is joking are overly sensitive.
Dsyndrome
Member
Because that's not the point of the thread. Make your own damn thread if you want to complain about Sony.
TAR AND FEATHER MICRSOF-- oh wait.
This is why 3rd party drivers drive me crazy. If the team working on it moves on, you better hope someone else picks up the slack.
Then people should make their own damn thread to complain about MS. Oh wait!
I'm cool with that.
The reason Sony controllers have so many problems is that they are using dinput which has been deprecated and thus unsupported by Windows for many years now. The only reason there is any support at all is for legacy purposes. What these third party programs try to do is cludge together support for dinput devices to appear to be xinput devices so that they actually function at all with the vast majority of software that has been released in the last 10 years.
What should happen is that Sony should release actual Windows drivers for their $60 controllers. Instead people are mad at Microsoft for making changes to their OS that adversely affect third party software that tries to paper over the gaping hole that is the support Sony should be providing.
What should happen is that Sony should release actual Windows drivers for their $60 controllers. Instead people are mad at Microsoft for making changes to their OS that adversely affect third party software that tries to paper over the gaping hole that is the support Sony should be providing.
Sensationalist
Neo Member
So the dev's hand is tied. What is the usual Microsoft's response to this kind of situation?
This is a thread about how there is no official support from Sony for their own controllers on Windows, and how the third parties supporting these controllers in their stead failed to get their act together for a problem that was known for months ahead of time.
Everyone complaining about the problems with their Playstation brand controllers and Windows should be directing their complaints to Sony. If the manufacturer doesn't care about supporting their own controllers, why should Microsoft?
You're being sarcastic right? What he wrote is totally relevant to the topic of the thread.
oh my god my fightstick stopped working mid fight... I got the driver to work again, but if I can't fucking use my fightstick... will try here in a minute.
I am checking now. God damn I will be heated.
I have to restart my computer so it will take a few minutes.
I am checking now. God damn I will be heated.
I have to restart my computer so it will take a few minutes.
rex novis doesn't agree
This is a thread about how Sony provides no support for their own controllers on Windows and the band-aid making the controllers work fell off because Microsoft updated their own OS.
Yes I do actually since it has a decent d-pad. It's nice how you just assume people with valid complaints can't actually own the hardware.
I would be absolutely thrilled if Sony stepped up and provided an official driver. Having a real alternative to Microsoft controllers would be outstanding.
An issue that could've been avoided by
1. Official driver support
2. Third party devs making the right adjustments during dev preview
It's not the duty of MS to support and tiptoe around the Dualshock 4, but they aren't stopping anyone supporting it.
Teletraan1
Banned
Why are people being condescending dickbags in here? MS made changes that did not allow exclusive mode when Win 10 first released when it was working in the pre RTM versions exactly like what is happening now. At the time the devs behind these API wrappers did nothing because they couldn't, it was a MS problem, there were janky workarounds that involved stopping network services etc, a MS update came out that fixed the exclusive mode, now this new update breaks it again most likely with no viable changes that these wrappers can make to their apps to get it working again so we are back to waiting on MS to fix whatever they broke. "Always the Dev" is bullshit in this case.
Dsyndrome
Member
I'm not Rex Novis, I don't speak for him.
Again I ask, if the problem doesn't affect you, why the fuck are you here? To get into flame wars on a topic that you have no beef in?
Seriously, why are you here?
People that are saying this thread is about Sony support for Windows DS4 Drivers decided that the thread should be about that. Read the fucking OP, nothing was said about Sony not providing drivers. We know Sony doesn't provide drivers, this is how we get past that.
who said it doesn't affect me?
The Windows truthers prophesied this all along!
It's like no one here has been through a Windows update before.
Does the DS4 still work when you use it with the remote play app?
I really don't understand why they won't do it. They've made plenty of programs for Windows. Isn't this an incentive for more people to use their hardware? Just don't get it.
It's like no one here has been through a Windows update before.
Does the DS4 still work when you use it with the remote play app?
I really don't understand why they won't do it. They've made plenty of programs for Windows. Isn't this an incentive for more people to use their hardware? Just don't get it.
jediyoshi
Member
Neither.
I don't think it was malicious, but my fightstick though.
Microsoft officially deprecated dinput 5 years ago. As in it is no longer officially supported. Dinput has for all intents and purposes been dead for 5 years now. The only reason the controllers work at all is that they sneak in through legacy code intended to maintain compatibility with legacy software. The fact that Playstation controllers work with modern Games at all is because third parties found workarounds to make them functional.
Also Microsoft didn't break compatibility, the controllers will work perfectly well with dinput applications. What they won't do is work correctly with some xinput applications right now, which the controllers do not support to start with.