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[Pristine_Condition]

Haha, this is even getting ridiculed by guys from Sony Santa Monica

Biker19 should be really proud for spreading that G***f** crap on here and bringing shame and ridicule to NeoGAF...

Nice going, Biker19.

 

[boredandlazy]

Boolean guy has followed up as to what GPU Booleans are.

If there was a semblance of truth to this guy wouldn't any apparent limitations this guy is talking about apply to PC as well? Since they use GDDR5 for GPUs?

 

[USC-fan]

Boolean guy has followed up as to what GPU Booleans are.

Wtf. People want more hardware lights but bitching about the controller light? Lmao...

 

[Truespeed]

If there was a semblance of truth to this guy wouldn't any apparent limitations this guy is talking about apply to PC as well? Since they use GDDR5 for GPUs?

There is no grain of truth to his incoherent and technically illiterate garbage. It is funny, though.

 

[RoboPlato]

Boolean guy has followed up as to what GPU Booleans are.

What in the fuck is he even trying to argue? It's a mess of random phrases mixed together.

 

[Raymo]

Boolean guy has followed up as to what GPU Booleans are.

PS4 has yet to show many hardware lights in Graphically intensive games it only has shader lights probably due to limitations which look unatural.

Those damn unatural limitations!! Sony pls... moar hardware lights?

 

[i-Lo]

What in the fuck is he even trying to argue? It's a mess of random phrases mixed together.

Reminds me of a gaf user's (MDX) assertion about WiiU GPU being technically superior to PS4/Xbone at Lighting and DoF functions.

 

[vazel]

It's important to understand Booleans if you want to make complicated stuff in LittleBigPlanet.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Booleans, hardware lights?

WTF am I reading?

 

[Biker19]

I'm sorry, but did you just try to draw a parallel between the CELL processor assisting the RSX in graphics rendering and eSRAM?!?

WOW!

One is just a tiny cache memory pool, and the other is a 200+GFLOPS CPU. It's pretty obvious the two are not the same in any way shape or form.

I would have thought that with your aforementioned electrical engineering background you would have known this?

This. You can't do something like combining the Xbox One's eSRAM & it's GPU to get more graphics out of the system like you could combine the PS3's cell processor & the RSX GPU inside of the PS3 to get the most out of that system's graphics. It doesn't make sense.

 

[JonathanPower]

Read his post history to assess whether or not to believe that poster based on previous rumors and sources. I'm going with "no."

Yeah but regarding this 1GB rumor, ERP said that the 1GB spec is probably a pure speculation of the interviewer.

http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1765061&postcount=2460

 

[benny_a]

Yeah but regarding this 1GB rumor, ERP said that the 1GB spec is probably a pure speculation of the interviewer.

http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1765061&postcount=2460

I agree that it's speculation and the reasoning behind ERP mirror's my own reasoning.

What I don't agree with is taking the other poster's rumor at face value. He peddled an upclock a week ago which Matt and GopherD both denied.

 

[i-Lo]

I agree that it's speculation and the reasoning behind ERP mirror's my own reasoning.

What I don't agree with is taking the other poster's rumor at face value. He peddled an upclock a week ago which Matt and GopherD both denied.

What do you reckon the final number will be for the OS footprint (and I'm curious why no dev has come forth with the information and why not one main journalistic outlet has asked Sony about it)?

 

[benny_a]

What do you reckon the final number will be for the OS footprint (and I'm curious why no dev has come forth with the information and why not one main journalistic outlet has asked Sony about it)?

I'm not the one to ask. I argued on here that 3GB for Xbox One was unfathomable high.

And right now it looks like that is the currently reserved figure as Marc Whitten when confronted with the 3GB figure did not correct it.

 

[AgentP]

Yeah but he said they are not reserving 1GB. He said this rumor is wrong.

Why are guys arguing about what random posters on B3D say? Since when does he know anything? I treat him like eastman, rangers, etc. They are MS fanboys who all pretend to have "sources", which are just other strangers on forums who make shit up. One guy feeds the other, until they are convinced they know something.

 

[RoboPlato]

What do you reckon the final number will be for the OS footprint (and I'm curious why no dev has come forth with the information and why not one main journalistic outlet has asked Sony about it)?

Sony's not allowing OS questions in interviews. No point in asking because they won't even get an answer. I assume stuff is still in flux on that end.

I just wish we had confirmation of the CPU speed. I'm 99% sure it's 1.6GHz but that one Japanese diagram of the APU said that it could possibly be 1.8 or greater. I'm just curious.

 

[cyberheater]

This. You can't do something like combining the Xbox One's eSRAM & it's GPU to get more graphics out of the system like you could combine the PS3's cell processor & the RSX GPU inside of the PS3 to get the most out of that system's graphics. It doesn't make sense.

I wouldn't imagine that MS and Xbox One developers are using that SRAM to reduce the amount of GPU stalls and bottlenecks to improve efficiency and utilisation of the rendering pipeline.

 

[Biker19]

Biker19 should be really proud for spreading that G***f** crap on here and bringing shame and ridicule to NeoGAF...

Nice going, Biker19.

Hey, I just wanted an opinion about it, that's all. It's nothing serious.

Nothing is stopping them from making a "refresh" 2 years down the road, like the S. Didn't that have a faster processor?

everyone is assuming that theyre just going to stick with this exact model for 10 years, they wont.

Um, no, neither Sony or Microsoft can change hardware specifications for their later console models without something happening to older games.

Once the final developer kits of a console are made & sent out, you're stuck with whatever hardware is inside of a home gaming console until the next generation of consoles arrive.

 

[badb0y]

Did anyone post about this yet? I can't find a thread on it. Confirmed Xbox One developer was answering some question on reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

Can't comment on the rumor.
The facts are on paper, the PS4 has better specs and the most you can debate is by how much. What I can tell you is I have played Forza, Killer instinct, and Ryse on the Xbox One. They look as good as the games I play on a high end PC. Ryse reminded me of darksiders II.

Also, a bit off-topic but

The majority of the masses care only about the console, except that the success of the Kinect carries much more weight to us. The sensor costs almost as much as the console to make.

Holy shit.

 

[cyberheater]

Did anyone post about this yet? I can't find a thread on it. Confirmed Xbox One developer was answering some question on reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/



Also, a bit off-topic but

Holy shit.

He actually sounds legit. No juicy rumours. Just simple and direct answers to questions about the culture of his organisation.

 

[TheCloser]

Did anyone post about this yet? I can't find a thread on it. Confirmed Xbox One developer was answering some question on reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/



Also, a bit off-topic but

Holy shit.

Ladies and gentlemen, its game over. Thank you for coming and goodnight. No more arguments. Confirmed. Take all future spec war arguments to the garbage disposal on your way out. Now we can focus on the software.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Did anyone post about this yet? I can't find a thread on it. Confirmed Xbox One developer was answering some question on reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

Ryse reminded me of darksiders II.

Must have played a different Darksiders 2 than the rest of us.

 

[Sid]

Reminds me of a gaf user's (MDX) assertion about WiiU GPU being technically superior to PS4/Xbone at Lighting and DoF functions.

Need a link to this glorious post.....

 

[bidguy]

He actually sounds legit. No juicy rumours. Just simple and direct answers to questions about the culture of his organisation.

confirmed by mods it seems
wonder what he means by ryse is like darksiders 2.

 

[Sid]

confirmed by mods it seems
wonder what he means by ryse is like darksiders 2.

The combat (from what was shown) sure as fuck isn't like DkS 2,I'm guessing he meant the atmosphere.

 

[uncledonnie]

He actually sounds legit. No juicy rumours. Just simple and direct answers to questions about the culture of his organisation.

Seems to debunk that family sharing was a 1 hour demo.

 

[cyberheater]

confirmed by mods it seems
wonder what he means by ryse is like darksiders 2.

Perhaps the gameplay mechanics. It certainly doesn't look like it and I doubt it's got spells and stuff like that.

 

[RetroStu]

confirmed by mods it seems
wonder what he means by ryse is like darksiders 2.

Well one of the developers was on the Gamespt stage at E3 talking about how the game isn't anything like the E3 demo and they only included all the quick time stuff in to show people examples of finishers that you can use and that all the fights are real time but you can finish people off with a finisher for bonuses and stuff but you don't have to if you don't want to.

Of course that has barely been mentioned on here since E3, its almsot like some peop,e have an agenda...

 

[dragonelite]

Perhaps the gameplay mechanics. It certainly doesn't look like it and I doubt it's got spells and stuff like that.

Its crytek.
Their track record would say 60% will be against humans other 40% will be against humans and aliens

Maybe its the way i played darksiders but it was hack and slash till execution button prompt or kill them.

 

[i-Lo]

Need a link to this glorious post.....

Never forget:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48106031&postcount=3610

 

[FINALBOSS]

Yes, AAA titles cannot be snapped (shown in smaller view). IE can however be snapped to look up how to perform a combination while you play .

That's kinda interesting...and disappointing.

 

[Sid]

Never forget:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48106031&postcount=3610

loooool and the title of the thread now just makes too much sense....

Thread: WiiU technical discussion (serious discussions welcome)

 

[cyberheater]

From the Reddit stuff.

Seems MS are really going to focus on the Kinect stuff for Xbox One. Although I've advocated that MS should ditch the forced bundling of Kinect to reduce the consoles price, I'm kind of excited to see what a new and enhanced Kinect could do.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Well one of the developers was on the Gamespt stage at E3 talking about how the game isn't anything like the E3 demo and they only included all the quick time stuff in to show people examples of finishers that you can use and that all the fights are real time but you can finish people off with a finisher for bonuses and stuff but you don't have to if you don't want to.

Of course that has barely been mentioned on here since E3, its almsot like some peop,e have an agenda...

Who'd have thought showing off a demo that plays nothing like the game might give people the wrong impression of their game.

Of course, if no one liked my game I might start making up excuses too. I'm sure there'll be a lot of changes to the game based on the bad impressions from E3.

 

[cyberheater]

Its crytek.
Their track record would say 60% will be against humans other 40% will be against humans and aliens

Maybe its the way i played darksiders but it was hack and slash till execution button prompt or kill them.

Romans vs Aliens. I'm all for it. I could be a truly epic game.

 

[Averon]

Man, those WUST threads were entertaining. Some of the delusion that was running amuck in them was hilarious, especially in hindsight.

 

[RetroStu]

Who'd have thought showing off a demo that plays nothing like the game might give people the wrong impression of their game.

Of course, if no one liked my game I might start making up excuses too. I'm sure there'll be a lot of changes to the game based on the bad impressions from E3.

Oh come on it was obvious the actual game wouldn't have that many quick time events in it, even Crytec are not that dumb.
A lot of demos are shown like that to show off features but the complete game can end up being different.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Oh come on it was obvious the actual game wouldn't have that many quick time events in it, even Crytec are not that dumb.
A lot of demos are shown like that to show off features but the complete game can end up being different.

It's more than just the QTEs; they've been quoted as saying you can just button mash your way through the whole game.

The actual demo impressions from E3 weren't glowing either.

You can't blame people for judging a game based on what's shown now.

If it's different at launch, then it'll be judged then.

 

[StevieP]

Man, those WUST threads were entertaining. Some of the delusion that was running amuck in them was hilarious, especially in hindsight.

Delusion is not exclusive to Nintendo threads.

 

[cyberheater]

You can't blame people for judging a game based on what's shown now.

No you can't. But on the other hand. I've read stuff from folks that have actually seen the game running and they've said that visually, it's the best thing they've ever seen.

It does make you wonder what a next gen Crysis would look like.

 

[Wickerbasket]

No you can't. But on the other hand. I've read stuff from folks that have actually seen the game running and they've said that visually, it's the best thing they've ever seen.

It does make you wonder what a next gen Crysis would look like.

I don't think anyone would question how good the game will look at launch.

They're a talented team.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

The facts are on paper, the PS4 has better specs and the most you can debate is by how much. What I can tell you is I have played Forza, Killer instinct, and Ryse on the Xbox One. They look as good as the games I play on a high end PC. Ryse reminded me of darksiders II.

Oh, you mean the developer of the console thinks they have the best titles around?! Damn.

The way he answers people with already known information, and considering that we had a giant thread on supposed astroturfing in reddit (which mods denied, I know), this just sounds to me as PR.

On the Family Sharing plan, before anyone starts blaming the anti-DRM campaign, MS was trying to get publishers to do the lending of 10 copies of the game. However publishers were against this (some weren't) and MS had to do glorified demos. This was said here, right?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I wouldn't imagine that MS and Xbox One developers are using that SRAM to reduce the amount of GPU stalls and bottlenecks to improve efficiency and utilisation of the rendering pipeline.

That's almost precisely what developers will be doing. At its base it helps with bandwidth, but with better, more effective use of the ESRAM, its latency will end up being cleverly utilized for maximum benefit to games being developed for the system.

 

[badb0y]

That's almost precisely what developers will be doing. At its base it helps with bandwidth, but with better, more effective use of the ESRAM, its latency will end up being cleverly utilized for maximum benefit to games being developed for the system.

Explain the bolded excerpt because it seems to me like your just trying to glorify latency into something it's not.

 

[I2amza]

Explain the bolded excerpt because it seems to me like your just trying to glorify latency into something it's not.

Maybe he means Kinect titles? Kinect is pretty latency sensitive.

But I wish Senjutsu would expand on his reasoning too, because GPU doesn't care about latency, and CPUs are OOO computing so latency is not as big of an issue.

 

[ypo]

While you're at it. Tell us how that will gel with the awesome latency of the Cloudz Powah.

 

[googleplex]

Explain the bolded excerpt because it seems to me like your just trying to glorify latency into something it's not.

That's almost precisely what developers will be doing. At its base it helps with bandwidth, but with better, more effective use of the ESRAM, its latency will end up being cleverly utilized for maximum benefit to games being developed for the system.

It's nothing. It's grasping at straws and trying to turn a band-aid into something it's not

 

[Nafai1123]

Maybe he means Kinect titles? Kinect is pretty latency sensitive.

But I wish Senjutsu would expand on his reasoning too, because GPU doesn't care about latency, and CPUs are OOO computing so latency is not as big of an issue.

I can't really see how Kinect would apply. Kinect inherently has 60ms of latency, while RAM latency is measured in nanoseconds. Is is and always has been a non-factor that XBO defenders cling onto in the hopes that it will decrease the performance gap between the two consoles.

 

[TheCloser]

That's almost precisely what developers will be doing. At its base it helps with bandwidth, but with better, more effective use of the ESRAM, its latency will end up being cleverly utilized for maximum benefit to games being developed for the system.

Bro, everyone knows you are the General in the Xbox defense army. Please, just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[jond76]

Must have played a different Darksiders 2 than the rest of us.

Or maybe he's played Darksiders 2 AND Ryse, and can legitimately compare the two.