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Xenoblade Chronicles X looks like it has some unique textures in the game
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Dancer. Female. Etrian Mystery Dungeon. Hi, Pot, meet Mr. Kettle. But you are being so overt about this I can only presume your sarcasm is off the charts.
If anyone want to watch a stream : http://www.twitch.tv/johndoe1899
Not best quality stream but still run smootly
Not best quality stream but still run smootly
You can also just unequip your armor in Xenoblade. The swimsuits just give the same visual effect but with stat buffs. I remember doing a sidequest early in the game and one of those was my most powerful armor at that point.
Unequiping armor can be pretty good in Xenoblade too. Dunban can get a skill that gives him a huge stat boost when he has no armor, which can be paired with one of Melia's skills that gives another big stat boost when you have no gems equipped on your armor. The result is a Dunban who is pretty much untouchable by any enemy. This was worth using even in the final dungeon.
You can also give anyone, even the mages, heavy armor that is also really good if you use the right skills. Xenoblade Chronicles gives a lot of freedom in what equipment you can use if you know how the system works, and I expect that to continue into Xenoblade X.
This is what I did for Melia since most most heavy armor don't have slots for gems and it gives her a nice boost in defense. She is my battle maiden.
Not everyones particularly sensitive to these things, and if you arent, congratulations, its actually quite the boone.
However
#1. GTAV is a fraction of the size of X.
GTA5 has a very, very, very low height ceiling compared to X, even more so when in a vehicle, and when you try to go high, the fog rolls in deep, its almost magical. And again, the games only a fraction of the size, so going up high to where you can see most of the gtav map, would not be very much of X's map at all.
GTAV also has horrible repeating textures, that are amplified by elevation, especially noticable in areas like the country side, where the human brain doesnt expect to come across repeating patterns.
And, Im going to show some, but people dont need me to do every single one right? THat would take like, a long time, just highlighting a few out of large areas of repeats should be enough.
Heres another one, I think they should really start popping out to people now, and should be easily visible without having to grid them.
X also had heavily repeating textures upon its first reveal, and I wanted to post one of the earlier images and highlight just how much of a difference it makes, but experience has shown me all that would accomplish are people latching on to the image and ignoring everything that was said about how the release build removed all the repeating textures.
You can see, that simply doing something about all those repeating texture tiles, and upping asset variety, adds so much to the scene.
They put so much effort into that, you can see at least half a dozen complete lod overhauls. It looks so much better when you dont see checker boards everywhere.
And Lets not pretend those resource overheads of those tiny in comparison open worlds on ps360 were flawless and didnt affect the games performance or playability.
People really need to look at these past gens games as they were. They arent as untouchable as they are being claimed to be.
No game is flawless, so just because you are capable of finding thingd that arent perfect, doesnt mean some other game on your system of choice is, you might want to run it under the same inspection filter.
Bitanator
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http://www.twitch.tv/johndoe1899 Streamer said he downloaded every pack, so if you want to look at what is makes better...
Been watching the whole time and haven't seen one little issue so that's great!.
Yeah... Its instantly apparent when watching this who doesnt have the installs.
shadow2810
Member
Totally not clicking on that link but I guess much faster to no loading time?
Well, theres never really any loading time, theres when you start/load up the game, and when the screen goes black for a 3-4 seconds after you die or a teleport.
What it does is it streams in assets faster during play.
On other streams, sometimes the textures wouldnt stream in for a second or so after the asset appeared on screen, or when the camera angle switched, there was a fraction of a second where you could see things like creatures and certain rocks appearing, or when you swoop the camera or come around a corner, a vehicle fades into view 20 feet away, when you look at changing gear, the preview appears instantly instead of having to wait a second that kind of stuff.
And simply put, it just doesnt happen in that stream now.
You are aware that you're comparing against systems with a quarter of the RAM?
Of course, among other things. Without it you wouldnt be able to have such an increase in overhead, and it would have inevitably been a much smaller, simpler game like the ones its being compared to.
A better question would be, why are these dies hard constantly trying to bring games from systems with a quarter of the ram into X threads as if they are really going toe to toe with whats in the game?
Astral Dog
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Remember that only 1GB is used for games, and even then that amount is slower depending on Edram,Its not like the Wii U is this system that dwarfs the PS3/360 powerwise. its pitiful and only a few games ever use it well.
And we have to consider that GTA V is one of the most expensive, if not the most, game ever made, Xenoblade X is likely working with a fraction of the budget, wich is always important for how good a game is going to look, where one is the best selling and another is a niche jrpg.
that does not mean that Xenoblade is neccessarily pushing less, just that there can be certain areas where its weaker.
Orniletter
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The Dancer portait in EO is as optional as the swimsuit will be. So yeah, I hope you hold everything to the same standard.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Oh man, I remember this.
Apologies if this has been answered already; wondering if anyone knows the following:
1. Are load times going to be better on the DL version regardless, or will they end up being the same on the package version if you get all the data packs?
2. Anyone know if save data will be compatible between package and DL versions? (This might be more of a general Wii U question, not sure; haven't ever bought the same game twice on Wii U before.)
I'm getting a package version for now since I can get it 1-2 days early, but thinking of switching to DL later if it's going to mean better load times...
1. Are load times going to be better on the DL version regardless, or will they end up being the same on the package version if you get all the data packs?
2. Anyone know if save data will be compatible between package and DL versions? (This might be more of a general Wii U question, not sure; haven't ever bought the same game twice on Wii U before.)
I'm getting a package version for now since I can get it 1-2 days early, but thinking of switching to DL later if it's going to mean better load times...
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
The concept of resource overhead, its something you need to be aware of before trying to make comparisons like.
As a base example Its a lot more demanding to render 100 square miles of open wilderness, than it is to render 2 guys and a wall. It would be a gaffe to try and directly compare the texture on that wall, with the textures found in the 100 square mile area, as the system can spend all its resources on that one wall, but with the other game, it has to texture 100 square miles, with the same amount of system resources.
Xenoblade X is 400 square km. Red Dead Redemption is only 32 Square Km. X has a much more demanding overhead.
Xenoblade X is a completely seamless experience during gameplay, the game streams everything, and doesnt stop to load. A lot of open world games on ps360 have lengthy load times that pop up with irritating frequency. Red dead was pretty good at this, except the dreaded boot load, and god damn multiplayer load. Skyrim was pretty bad.
Xenoblade X has a lot of unique geometry. Its really given it a signature appearence. Its also filled out with lots of alien trees and bushes and even small rendered rocks on the ground. For these things, you only have a handful of different models for, and then they are repeated to save resources, thats called instancing. However, Since a lot of large formations are unique, they cant be instanced, to save system resources. Games like RDR are heavily instanced, with not just repeating trees cacti and boulders, but entire hills, canyon walls and mountains are instanced as well. Having a less repetitive open world, over a larger area, requires a much higher resource overhead.
Open world games often have very bad problems with repeating textures, since they have to texture so much.
People who have strong pattern recognition will pick it up very fast in the foreground, seeing things like the same, maybe, scratch mark over and over again every foot. But everybody notices once it gets a bit further out. Its a very repetitive pattern, that gives a checkerboard effect.
X put a whole lot of resources into avoiding repeating textures that create that checker board effect, no matter how far out the camera gets:
Thats a pretty huge resource overhead.
Speaking of cool things like the hopper cam leads into another subject on resource overhead, predictable culling.
Open world games tend to try and exploit predictable culling. They love things like buildings, because you can cull, or not render whats behind them to save resources, and the shapes of things like buildings are really easy to work with. Other popular things are forcing players through canyones or tunnels, or forcing them to go around things like mountains. Since these large objects are in the way, the system doesnt have to render whats behind them, and has ample time to stream the assets while the player is forced to go through or around.
They also tend to stay grounded, or have restrictions on when a player can fly. For example players use planes or helicopters to fly in gtav, which is really cool, except all of the sudden a freaking london fog rolls in, and you are flying at speeds outclassed by a paper airplane. These are restrictions, to help manage the resource overhead it requires to do these things.
Some games, like RdR, are completely dependant on the player NOT going places the game doesnt expect them to, like flying. However, if you are super cool like me, you found out a way to fly baby. The game... Was not designed to be seen from that angle, and the visuals break down and show their 'tricks'.
Looks like a wii game.
X, being designed from the ground up to be able to handle anything the player can do, and anywhere they can go, which is, well, everywhere, no invisible walls, no barriers, no being held back, spent a lot of resources making sure the games visuals dont break like that scene from rdr. The game must be prepared, at all times, to show everything. You can see other continents if you fly high enough in x. These are things that are seen from farther away, than the complete distance of a game like RdR's map from end to end. And you can fly straight there, at very high speeds, something that also requires resource overhead.
X has a much higher resource overhead, than games like rdr or skyrim, which is something you have to take into account when you try and compare games. Its not as simple as finding a texture that hasnt streamed in, from someone whos running the game without the installs to prevent that from happening.
Im sorry, just wanted to quote this post because its such a first class comment.
Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/johndoe1899
Game looks awesome and I havent really saw any media for it yet... Do I have to play Xenoblade Chronciles for it? The soundtrack is way too awesome :O
Game looks awesome and I havent really saw any media for it yet... Do I have to play Xenoblade Chronciles for it? The soundtrack is way too awesome :O
Vampirolol
Member
Why are we comparing GTA V to X when Monolith had probably a quarter of the money and manpower Rockstar had? Why is there people here that act like if they never knew that WiiU has some extreme problems even when compared to a PS3?
Strange Young Man
Neo Member
Ugh.
I appreciate the devs have gone the extra mile to alleviate these types of streaming issues with a custom built solution, but they shouldn't have to. Being able to install disc games to hard drive should be a universal Wii U feature.
I appreciate the devs have gone the extra mile to alleviate these types of streaming issues with a custom built solution, but they shouldn't have to. Being able to install disc games to hard drive should be a universal Wii U feature.
Finale Fireworker
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Xenoblade graphics are so weird. For some people it looks great, for other people it looks unbearable. There is no middle ground. There is no convincing the other party. Xenoblade is just weird as fuck that way.
1. It should be quite the same between the DL version and retail version with all the packs downloaded, as far as we know.
2. In general on Wii U the saves are common for DL and retail game.
It's the difference between people interested in the game because of what the game is and the people not interested in the game (nor Wii U).
protomouse
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Overside's amazing posts in Xenoblade threads never cease to awe. I tip my hat to thee.
plank
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MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Why are people pretending that texture streaming issues are "bad graphics", or a symptom of either the WiiU or this game in particular?
I know exactly why.
A bit disingenuous to call gta V simpler?
TheAdmiester
Member
It is, massively so. But it seems like there's no convincing them.
If they're already up now on the eShop, there really wouldn't be anything to activate beyond needing a retail copy of the game.
Honestly, though, what is the difference between installing these files from the disk and downloading them? Besides having to depend on your connection speed, the result is the same.
Yeah, I'm downloading them now and hope to have the game tomorrow. Needs over 14GB free space, which is impossible for me since I don't have a HDD attached and do have DQX installed, but I can download 2 of the 4 packs at a time, it looks like, and then get them all that way. (You need enough room for the install files + the space they take up, which makes sense, even though it's annoying...)
Strange Young Man
Neo Member
My comment was about the bigger picture. This should be a system wide feature.
shadow2810
Member
I don't think they would know XenobladeX could get this big when designing the system. This is the first game that requires you to install something for better experience.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
Why do you continue to make blanket, condescending statements about an entire fan base when you're really just arguing with one person? And why do you act like your opinion is superior to others'?
Well, so far we know data packs help to reduce loading times, not fix texture streaming, at least that's what I got from it.
Isn't fixing texture streaming EXACTLY what the data packs are for? Barring a few exceptions, I think the game is intended to be entirely seamless in how it loads. So "reducing loading times" is essentially saying that they're improving how quickly the streaming works.
shadow2810
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The packs also allow you load uncompressed textures from HDD.
King Gilga
Member
Please, stop being pretending these outfits don't exist solely for the kicks of a certain type of audience.
FreedomFighter
Member
There's a very tiny yet highly vocal minority who not only dislike Nintendo (which is all well and fine) but are also seemingly bothered and annoyed that people actually like Nintendo and Nintendo games they love to hate. They tend to make condescending statements toward the fanbase, patronize the fanbase, and type cast the fanbase as well. These types also can't resist shit posting in Nintendo centric threads. When this is pointed out to them, they immediately gaslight, and say things like "you Nintendo fans are just being sensitive" or "you Nintendo fans have a persecution complex."
You've seen them around. We need a DSM-V diagnosis for them.
Data packs are made the way that playing from disc behave the same way has playing it digitally. It still need load alot data to RAM, the only difference the streaming is faster than disc. But faster enough to get rid off of mayor pop ins?, we need to know that.
TheAdmiester
Member
I was talking about that one person.
I find the whole "Nintendo Fan" term annoying because it feels like it implies that Nintendo-made games are like, on this island all on their own and you have to join some club to enjoy them. And once you do, you a fan of ALL of them, regardless of genre or personal taste.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
Judging by your posts in this thread, it is clear to me that you view "Nintendo fans" as some sort of cultish group who "falsely" praise Nintendo games' visuals. I mean, I don't think Xenoblade looks much better than GTAV or anything either, but treating a fan base like their taste or opinion is beneath yours is quite insulting.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Perhaps, but I really, REALLY appreciate that most games don't require a data install before they can be played optimally. And I'm sure that if data installs were a standard Wii U feature, many more games would rely on them.
In a majority of cases (Xenoblade X obviously not being one of them), the Wii U is the last bastion of "you can insert a game and start playing immediately"
Astral Dog
Member
Clearly old 360/PS3 multiplatform games had issues with this though, thats an advantage they have over Wii U. i wonder if a faster disk drive (?) like the ones the PS4/ONE have would be a solution.
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