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Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K
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Glorified G
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This is most likely the case. The fact that an insider says this is indeed a slim suggests a power upgrade must be minor at best unless Sony spent a shitload of money on R&D for a new APU, and even then a release in 2016 I can't see much of a power upgrade.
mugurumakensei
Member
There'd be no reason to brief game developers if it only had those things. The fact that they briefed game developers and even told them that it would be more powerful suggests it will have more power to make games run better.
Frozone
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My most educated guess is that the TFLOPS will change but not dramatically while the HDMI 2.0 would be in place along with some other bells-n-whistles. Similarly priced at today's market value. 4k streaming should be within the realm, but nowhere near 4k gaming. Probably can ensure a good FPS click for VR whereas the base PS4 would probably struggle. I can see marketing for "added FX" from games but the same resolution. Perhaps more consistent framerates too.
People keep bringing things like this up. Would be a Pretty big FU to early adopters looking forward to PSVR.
Problem is wouldn't the system be extremely bandwidth starved? Unless they double the bus from 256 bit to 512. (Doubt it)
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Is this going to be a bombshell announcement Sony's going to make at E3?
Not at all, it's the same apu just running at a higher clock speed. Thus better framrates.And how would games use it ?
They cannot cut out "old" PS4´s with new games.
Games must run on both PS4 and PS4K
So devs would have to make 2 different versions of the game. Maybe 2 sets of textures. Different Level auf Antialiasing and so on.
Well ... why not
THE:MILKMAN
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Well the cats out of the bag now.....so I guess not.
CarbonFire
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At most I could see a bump from 60 reprojected to 90 native if there is enough power in this 4.5 box to do so. Would be a slightly improved experience, but I have to imagine, as per their earlier assertions during GDC, that the lockdown on the 60fps minimum remains firm.
36CUs with the same bandwidth as the PS4 Ram & the GPU is clocked the same as the PS4
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Wrong. Unless this hypothetical PS4.5 comes out and sells 50 million overnight, devs are not going to make it the lead platform in game development, that will remain the vanilla PS4.
Traditional console leaps have been unofficially accepted to be 10X leaps. A 4X leap would net you nothing more than a resolution bump, FPS stability, and slightly better effects. We are reaching the ceiling of fidelity and even if developers increase performance by 15X the improvement won't equate to the numbers.
RedRooster
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There's plenty of reasons to brief your partners on what's changing with your platform. Heck, a different hdmi spec would be enough change that you'd want developers to know and feel the need to keep them all in the loop. At least that's what a smart company would do.
THE:MILKMAN
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A game or Blu Ray?
3.68 tflops nice?
Games are developed on PC which is inherently scalable. If a developer has predetermined paramters- it could be pretty easy to do. Even if the PS4.5 had 10X the performance of PS4, a port wouldn't be impossible. Lowering resolution, quality of effects, texture resolution, and geometric complexity goes a LONG way in performance gains.
4K is four times the raw performance of 1080p. If the PS4.5 is 10X ( which it won't be ), a 4K 60 FPS game could run at 1080p 30 FPS on PS4. This step-ladder approach is smart. They can bait consumers into 4K, and than after another 4 years offer a true 4K 60 FPS setup.
Aceofspades
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-_- give some finer details. Is it a newer APU? Is there reprojection to achieve 4K or is it a traditional native resolution? What gives breh.
Obliterator
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if this is a movie forum then yes blu ray
vpance
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36CUs with the same bandwidth as the PS4 Ram & the GPU is clocked the same as the PS4
Wonder if they'll switch to GDDR5X. Doesn't make much sense to upgrade the GPU without a bump in bandwidth.
duhmetree
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New APU or nah?
Demanufacture
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shovel knight?
36CUs with the same bandwidth as the PS4 Ram & the GPU is clocked the same as the PS4
Good find. This could potentially allow 4K 30 FPS games if the architectural "refinements" and CPU bound issues could work. The only problem I could potentially see is 192 GB/S might not be enough for 4K 30 FPS in an optimal format. HBM 2.0 where r u.
But this allows pits the rumours at odds with one another:
1) Zhuge's theory that this is similar to PS4 with a smaller PCB. This would inherently mean a much smaller machine, chip design, and manufacturing costs. Leaving no room for a "upgraded GPU".
2) Digital Foundry's Option 3. If they decide to go with this GPU, they will have design an all new console and APU. Everything will change, it's not so simple to just plug one paramter in and leave the others out.
PS4 memory is clocked at 5500mhz so it has a theoretical bandwith of 176gb/s.
However it seems it can only go up to 140gb/s.
Native or reprojected? All I want to know
Keep letting Zoetis troll you with 4k gaming, it's entertaining.
That'd be one expensive refresh
It's all about Compute now
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Interesting. Given you have seen this game it must be a first party AAA game because even select third parties don't have kits yet!
Can't wait to see what the specs are.
PS4 memory is clocked at 5500mhz so it has a theoretical bandwith of 176gb/s.
However it seems it can only go up to 140gb/s.
Forgot about the downgrade from 192 to 176
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Asfter some thought (during my ban) I"m on board with the increental smartphone style model for consoles.
As long as games continue to be made for the base model for about 5 or 6 years it should be all good.
So as an example.
Sony and Microsoft going forward just call their Platforms PlayStation and Xbox.
PlayStation (base model)/ Xbox (base model)
PlayStation S (incremental upgrade)/ Xbox S (incremental upgrade) games still made with base model as target platform with newer consoles having games automatically detect higher spec and adjust accordingly
PlayStation E (incremental upgrade)/Xbox E (incremental upgrade) same as above
new PlayStation/ new Xbox (new base model becomes S) games no longer made for old base model, consumers need to upgrade)
The increment cycle should be around 3 years to be reasonable. I'd be perfectly cool with that.
As long as games continue to be made for the base model for about 5 or 6 years it should be all good.
So as an example.
Sony and Microsoft going forward just call their Platforms PlayStation and Xbox.
PlayStation (base model)/ Xbox (base model)
PlayStation S (incremental upgrade)/ Xbox S (incremental upgrade) games still made with base model as target platform with newer consoles having games automatically detect higher spec and adjust accordingly
PlayStation E (incremental upgrade)/Xbox E (incremental upgrade) same as above
new PlayStation/ new Xbox (new base model becomes S) games no longer made for old base model, consumers need to upgrade)
The increment cycle should be around 3 years to be reasonable. I'd be perfectly cool with that.
Teasing isn't cool. PM me.
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Who says that the dev has to make the game 4K & not the PS4K?
Obliterator
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Thank you Kagari. We'll at least know now if he's being legit or not
ReBurn
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I think that instead of "would" you should say "could." Is there anything that says developers will have access to any additional processing power for their games? Because it make sense that Sony would control what developers can do so that games don't pop up that require the new version of the console to play them.
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