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PS6 and the new Xbox will be awesome. As always, day 1 for both.

 

[NovaSe7en]

Dude there's still at least 2 years (if not 3) for the next gen to come, you just don't know what you don't know, you can not pre decide this early for a generation that hasn't even revealed yet. This kind of being hasty in judgment is just so funny to me like a petulant child throwing ultimatums to their parents in a temoer tantrum when they don't get what they ask for lol

I'm basing that decision on 5 years of poor performance with the PS5. There is no indication that this is going to change. Game development cycles, if anything, will only get longer.

I've no problem buying a Switch 2, because Nintendo still puts out enough exclusives to justify the costs of the hardware.

 

[nial]

Already talked about - notably the cadence of their first party titles being crossgen, increased price, less people upgrading, etc.

Cross-gen was already proved to not be a problem per se, and while I can get the increased price or, as it's directly correlated, the less people upgrading (which hasn't exactly been anything catastrophic, either), the fact that they are adding a handheld to their lineup to an, allegedly, lower price, indicates that they're specifically aiming to expand their general userbase next generation.

lol, come on, clearly it's a combination of the difficult of even getting one, the delays in games, and the games themselves pushing the hardware beyond what it is.

Nah, while it could be somewhat lower in Sony's expectations due before their supply chain got fucked early on, PS4 would still have a notable userbase even this late into the generation. 110M people over the course of 7 years weren't obviously going to upgrade overnight, it's a gradual process that was also going to take a similar time to decrease as it increased in the first place.
I don't understand how these two consoles selling at a similar pace sharing half of the general PSN userbase at the exact middle point of the generation was weird.

And I don't really care what first party is the best selling game when even the next ones are still pushing sales.

Yes, just as The Last of Us pushed PS3s in 2013, or The Last of Us Part II and Ghost of Tsushima pushed PS4s in 2020. Why would this play a role into delaying the entire next console, I have no idea.

Yes, we're getting whales and early adopters as we always do with new hardware and would even with later release date.

Sure, so what?

As for the price I just don't see it making sense to have to subsidize a system that more powerful with an extra tariff cost just to get it to the still not-so-low price of 600 bucks. Cheaper than the Pro now? I just don't see how that happens.

600 USD would hardly be alienating these days when PS3 was pushing alright sales for that price two decades ago. The bar has increased now, and should be what consumers expect. Heck, I was even surprised to know that the PS5 would push it to 500 USD as I wasn't really accustomed to seeing such an expensive console from Sony in quite a while.
PS5 Pro is a premium product specifically targeting their hardcore fanbase, supposed to make money from the get-go. I don't think we can seriously extrapolate anything out of its business model to Sony's plans for the PS6, and hey, there's already one instance where it proves what I say:

Identical to the PlayStation 5 and its detachable disc drive, customers will be able to buy the console individually as a "digital console", bundled with the PlayStation 6 as a "traditional console", or upgrade later by purchasing the detachable disc drive separately.

EXCLUSIVE - PlayStation 6 is Planned to Have a Detachable Disc Drive on Launch

Insider Gaming has learned that the PlayStation 6 is planned to have a detachable disc drive when the console launches.

insider-gaming.com

Thing is at this point we won't know till those games, notably GTA 6 comes out. We'll have to wait and find out.

Eh, I think we have enough data that shows that they aren't really able to counter the decline in hardware sales:

PS4 shipments in Q1, FY17: 3.3M
PS4 shipments in Q1, FY18: 3.2M (God of War launch)

PS4 shipments in Q2, FY17: 4.2M
PS4 shipments in Q2: FY18: 3.9M (Marvel's Spider-Man launch)

PS4 shipments in Q3, FY17: 9.0M
PS4 shipments in Q3, FY18: 8.1M (Red Dead Redemption 2 launch)

Traditionally? Sure, but what's been traditional about any aspect of PS5 this gen? I've no doubt there's a lot of factors of when the best time to release new hardware but tariffs have to a pretty big factor that wasn't there before where perhaps now a few more years of obviously declining sales makes more sense.

Well, the fact that Sony (not me) is the one making the decision to launch a new console in 2027 shows that they aren't really willing to utterly lose their sales momentum going from PS5 to PS6.

Not if it's not affecting them in the negative way you seem to think it is.

Again, I don't think it's something particularly egregious, but they do care about the adoption rate of their consoles. Going from historical precedent and their current state matching that historical precedent, November 2027 makes the most sense, really.

I'd argue it was more imperative hardware wise to do so that's less relevant to the PS5/Pro. Oh plus that whole tariff thing. Without getting too much into politics, I really doubt whoever gets in is going to continue down that route.

I don't really get your point here, but the fact that Nintendo literally went through the exact same situation (heck, you could argue that it's even worse) as Sony will shows that this isn't as big of a deal as you're making it to be.

So you think the PS6 would be the new fastest selling console in history? Because I know you're implying that just because Nintendo does it, others can too.

No, I literally never said that (though it could be the case, who knows), I just made reference that the current market conditions aren't necessarily against a healthy console launch. There is proof of that.

I'm not the one that needs to be concerned with the price of this. Sony is.

Why do you suggest them to come up with better tech, then?

 

[EverydayBeast]

Moving forward at some point ps6 will drop, real interested in seeing the hardware concepts and what direction Sony wants to go in, could they bundle in VR in a top tier bundle? Is their identity now pro versions at launch? There's many questions

 

[Deficit]

Ehhh… no?

Come on dude, it's the same style.

 

[Perrott]

sweetie, those are called ports... there's literally less visual upgrades in those than GTA3 had when it was ported from PS2 to the Xbox

The Last Of Us Part I was a ground-up remake of a PS3 game that took as long to develop as the original development on The Last Of Us (2013) -- are you fucking kidding me here?

 

[chromhound]

PS5 Pro Owners :

 

[adamsapple]

PS5 Pro Owners :

2025 is just about over, if this 2027 date holds, we're just about two calendar years away from the next playstation, honestly at this point the only way I'd buy a Pro is if someone is selling theirs at like 80% off or something.

The base PS5 is more than enough for the next two years.

 

[Apollo Helios]

I'm basing that decision on 5 years of poor performance with the PS5. There is no indication that this is going to change. Game development cycles, if anything, will only get longer.

I've no problem buying a Switch 2, because Nintendo still puts out enough exclusives to justify the costs of the hardware.

And after a stumbling period Sony first party is loaded in the near future. SSM reveal and release will probably be in tighter timeline as well. Also I don't think PS5 had bad performance because for me all the third party games I played were on the best performing system. RDR2 alone made me buy One X last gen but this gen PS5 was the king of the hill in all the games I've played. And for the majority of PS5 owners, it's a third part game box and it's performance there is all there is needed for them.

 

[NovaSe7en]

And after a stumbling period Sony first party is loaded in the near future. SSM reveal and release will probably be in tighter timeline as well. Also I don't think PS5 had bad performance because for me all the third party games I played were on the best performing system. RDR2 alone made me buy One X last gen but this gen PS5 was the king of the hill in all the games I've played. And for the majority of PS5 owners, it's a third part game box and it's performance there is all there is needed for them.

I'm not anticipating the launch window to be "loaded". They have not shown that they can do this with the PS5.

If I played multiplatform titles on consoles, I'd probably feel the same way you do, but I don't. I am in no way speaking for everyone or even the majority. For me, the PS6 is going to be a really hard sale.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

PS5 Pro Owners :

I strongly doubt the kind of people who bought a pro are bitching about the money they spent. And even if the PS6 were launching next year, they would probably have been first in line for that too.

 

[Apollo Helios]

I'm not anticipating the launch window to be "loaded". They have not shown that they can do this with the PS5.

If I played multiplatform titles on consoles, I'd probably feel the same way you do, but I don't. I am in no way speaking for everyone or even the majority. For me, the PS6 is going to be a really hard sale.

PS4 has been end loaded, full of swan song titles, PS5 will also be end loaded which will carry into PS6 just like PS4 did for PS5. But anyway I'd be good with my games, you do you.

 

[viveks86]

I strongly doubt the kind of people who bought a pro are bitching about the money they spent. And even if the PS6 were launching next year, they would probably have been first in line for that too.

I'm that kind. But that's too broad a brush to paint. There are quite a few on GAF who regret it and will likely not immediately jump on PS6 without Sony winning them back in terms of solid Pro support for the next 2 years and proof of a tangible generational leap prior to next gen's launch

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I strongly doubt the kind of people who bought a pro are bitching about the money they spent. And even if the PS6 were launching next year, they would probably have been first in line for that too.

These people should just get a PC.

 

[Hudo]

Sony just won GOTY, has had a nominee every year this gen, and likely dropped two more GOTY nominees this year. The best multiplayer FPS in years just dropped yesterday. Indies and AAs are crushing it so hard we can't possibly buy or play them all.

Literally nothing would satisfy you people except a time machine and amnesia.

Yeah, the "best multiplayer FPS in years" (which is one of the lowest bars ever, by the way) is multiplatform. So are indies. So are many of the GOTY nominees. I can play that shit on PC. Meanwhile, Sony first-party has been disappointing, with lots of studios having wasted time on chasing live-service shit. Many of their IPs they don't even touch anymore. And yes, you might be right with me being "picky". But games cost 80€ now. I should be fucking picky. And I don't care about Marvel capeshit. I liked Tsushima, but it was a "one and done" game to me, I don't feel I need to return to that type of game. But good for the people who enjoy Yotei! Marathon is a fucking insult to anyone who has played the original games. Intergalactic... I dunno. Visually it is a masterpiece. Naughty Dog do know how to do graphics. But from the content, the trailer has not impressed me. And yes, part of the reason being that the main character comes across as an arrogant asshole (and it doesn't help that The Last of Us 2 was worse than the Last of Us 1 in many aspects, at least in my opinion). Why do Sony not have a first-party JRPG? Why do they not have some sort of "AA" strategy/tactics game? Why do they not have a good character action game, like the old God of War games? Why is the Demon's Souls remake so fucking different in terms of atmosphere and style, it's like Blue Point either deliberately or by accident (don't know which case is worse) looked at the original, said decided that all they saw were technical limitations and said "nah!" and instead did a Hollywood dark fantasy Soulslike.

AstroBot is fucking dope, though. Good game.

 

[Crayon]

These people should just get a PC.

They do. Then they make threads about how they never use them.

 

[Radical_3d]

Come on dude, it's the same style.

 

[SamuraiEdge]

Next-Gen can't come soon enough. This gen has been SHIT. Nothing but just a few titles that would truly shine with next hardware. Might as well consider this gen the one that sets all things to how it will be from here with all lessons learned.

 

[PeteBull]

PS6 and the new Xbox will be awesome. As always, day 1 for both.

We defo need them asap so games both look next gen, run at 60 and dont go below full hd in res(ofc ai upscaled after that to 1440p and up).

All stationary consoles got zen2 downclocked cpu, and gpu wise, thats ps5 gpu compared to desktop pc, BiS pc gpu is over 4,5x stronger already:

AMD Radeon RX 6700 Specs

AMD Navi 22, 2450 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 160 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Some ppl will say- wait a minute, we just got ps5pr0 not even a year ago, the thing is- it has same old af zen2 cpu just clocked 10% higher and gpu wise its at most as strong as 9060xt 16gigs aka 380$ streetprice gpu

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 16 GB Specs

AMD Navi 44, 3130 MHz, 2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2518 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Which means its still 3x weaker from top pc gpu.

 

[Radical_3d]

We defo need them asap so games both look next gen, run at 60 and dont go below full hd in res(ofc ai upscaled after that to 1440p and up).

All stationary consoles got zen2 downclocked cpu, and gpu wise, thats ps5 gpu compared to desktop pc, BiS pc gpu is over 4,5x stronger already:

AMD Radeon RX 6700 Specs

AMD Navi 22, 2450 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 10240 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 160 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Some ppl will say- wait a minute, we just got ps5pr0 not even a year ago, the thing is- it has same old af zen2 cpu just clocked 10% higher and gpu wise its at most as strong as 9060xt 16gigs aka 380$ streetprice gpu

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 16 GB Specs

AMD Navi 44, 3130 MHz, 2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2518 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Which means its still 3x weaker from top pc gpu.

Keep dreaming about top PC GPUs in consoles. That ship parted with the 360. Nowadays top PC GPUs are not 600$ but 2000$ and consoles pack something more than a disk drive and the logic board. Consoles (aside from Magnus) are for the cheap. You'll get your 9070 non XT performance and you'll like it!!

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Keep fighting the good fight for PlayStation. This gen has been terrible for them.

It's always the 10+ years old accounts with few posts, always...
Who's alt are you ?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Next-Gen can't come soon enough. This gen has been SHIT. Nothing but just a few titles that would truly shine with next hardware. Might as well consider this gen the one that sets all things to how it will be from here with all lessons learned.

How is better hardware the solution?

Surely the cause is dev time and costs?

 

[Bojji]

Keep dreaming about top PC GPUs in consoles. That ship parted with the 360. Nowadays top PC GPUs are not 600$ but 2000$ and consoles pack something more than a disk drive and the logic board. Consoles (aside from Magnus) are for the cheap. You'll get your 9070 non XT performance and you'll like it!!

PS5 was better than top AMD GPU from 2019, not bad I think. Compared to that, PS4 was much weaker than top AMD GPUs from 2012: 7970, 7950, 7870, PS4, 7850...

Looks like PS6 will be slightly better in raster than top AMD GPU from 2025 (9070XT) but it will be measurably better in RT and ML.

 

[BlackTron]

Which means its still 3x weaker from top pc gpu.

PC hardware will always beat contemporary console hardware, the situation will be the same.

 

[Hohenheim]

I think the PS6 will be the first Sony console I might not bother getting.
My PS5 is just collecting dust, except for a couple of games this year (DS 2 and Ghost 2 at some point).
Unless they have a killer exclusive day 1, I won"t bother.
I built a "console PC" this year that sits on the TV bench alongside a Switch 2, and is more powerful than a PS6 will be. With Steam big picture mode it's just like a "console" anyways.
And for the "serious" gaming, I have a high end setup in a separate room.

Consoles is mostly nostalgia for me at this point. That awesome feeling of being young and getting a new console... pure bliss! And the combination of consoles turning into pure low/mid range PC's and me getting older.. well, the magic of a new console just ain't the same for me.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Will PS6 APU be similar enough to PS5 in order for games to have a real upgrade patch (and maybe new textures download) instead of the full download of a PS6 version?

 

[SamuraiEdge]

How is better hardware the solution?

Surely the cause is dev time and costs?

Lessons learnt with each current devs to focus on strengths on richer games (more single player) and better mature tools and dev work from this gen. Hardware allows a more better stable performance with CPU and other related fields that can truly hit 60 fps at good resolution.

Sony will kill it next gen no doubt (Same with some of xbox studios)

 

[Radical_3d]

PS5 was better than top AMD GPU from 2019, not bad I think.

Which would be impressive if nVidia raster (which has been stagnated for ages in favour of ML and RT) didn't exist. But let's call it sightly impressive because…

Looks like PS6 will be slightly better in raster than top AMD GPU from 2025 (9070XT) but it will be measurably better in RT and ML.

Which would be sightly impressive if it came out in 2026 and not 2027.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Lessons learnt with each current devs to focus on strengths on richer games (more single player) and better mature tools and dev work from this gen. Hardware allows a more better stable performance with CPU and other related fields that can truly hit 60 fps at good resolution.

Sony will kill it next gen no doubt (Same with some of xbox studios)

The only positive I can see is PS6 ridding us of baked lighting and multiple LOD models.

Devs will love that.

 

[SamuraiEdge]

I am hoping for next God of War to be a launch title for PS6. Just imagining what the devs would do with path tracing in an Egyptian setting would be insane.

 

[SamuraiEdge]

The only positive I can see is PS6 ridding us of baked lighting and multiple LOD models.

Devs will love that.

Yeah, but I see good examples of ray/path tracing being well done thanks to chips and related components that can do this without insane performance cost compared to this gen console hardware.

God of War per above post is an example that would push things looking crazy good for justified fidelity.

 

[Gaiff]

Which would be impressive if nVidia raster (which has been stagnated for ages in favour of ML and RT) didn't exist. But let's call it sightly impressive because…

How has NVIDIA rasterization been stagnating for ages? Maybe in the low-end where they purposely gut their cards and make them smaller with each generation.

2080 Ti>3090 Ti: 60%
3090 Ti>4090: 55%
4090>5090: 30%

They illustrate the actual progress of the die. The 60 series is a great case study of shrinkflation.

 

[Bojji]

Which would be impressive if nVidia raster (which has been stagnated for ages in favour of ML and RT) didn't exist. But let's call it sightly impressive because…

Which would be sightly impressive if it came out in 2026 and not 2027.

Next gen (RDNA5, Rubin) will probably launch ~Q4 2027 (or even Q1 2028) as well so before that we won't see another big GPU power jump. PS6 won't look bad in 2027.

 

[RyRy93]

And yet games released on last gen systems several years ago are still the benchmark technically (RDR2, TLOU II, CP2077), this gen was a joke

 

[saintjules]

As an owner of the PS1-5, I can confidently say that PS6 would be the first launch that makes no sense. The value proposition, for me personally, is no longer there. The advantages which consoles once had over PC have dried up.

I don't buy these devices for multiplatform games. Given the current state of AAA development and Sony's first party output, it's going to be a hard pass from me.

Yoy say this now but will change thoughts later. You will give in to the PS6 at launch or shortly thereafter. Everyone gives in.

 

[PeteBull]

PC hardware will always beat contemporary console hardware, the situation will be the same.

Ofc, but before this gen consoles always went for the value, aka cost/performance ratio, with so many price increases this gen, currently consoles present terrible value vs midrange/lowend pc and we still got at least 2 more years of current console gen.
Every1 would understand ps5/xsx being as weak as they are basically 5 years after the launch and no1 would mind, if those consoles by now would cost 250 maybe 300$ at max, not what they cost now...

 

[PeteBull]

Keep dreaming about top PC GPUs in consoles. That ship parted with the 360. Nowadays top PC GPUs are not 600$ but 2000$ and consoles pack something more than a disk drive and the logic board. Consoles (aside from Magnus) are for the cheap. You'll get your 9070 non XT performance and you'll like it!!

I fully understand console form factor has its limits and im perfectly fine with that, but from the leaks we hearing ps6 gonna only have 160W tpd, while for example ps5pr0 had 240W limit from the wall(tested by DF), so sony themselfs limiting ps6 hard, likely to make it more cost effective/massmarket ready aka 500-600$ at max.

Here quick DF video with the proof:



That wont look like good value proposition once again(same like super expensive and pathethically weak ps5pr0), so who really knows how things go...

For comparision ps4pr0 basically in worst case scenario bumped res from 1080p ps4 to 1440p on the pr0, thats +78% of pixels, and framerate usually got more stable on top, for same 400$/€ like base console costed, that was solid deal/great value unlike what we got current gen.

We had back in the days one manufacturer making their stationary console draw much less power from the wall vs competition, that was nintendo and its Wii that ate around 16Watts while gaming, and it was significantly weaker vs ps3/x360.
WiiU used way less power than ps4/xbone too, and we know massive difference in graphics fidelity between those mashines.

TLDR: If sony themselfs gimping ps6's powerdraw to only 160W (aka way below previous gen) by definition we can forget about big generational leap and even being within striking distance to modern low to midrange pc gpu's, tuff times ahead, all im saying.
Console only gamer gonna pay 80$(or who knows, maybe even 100$ if they increase game prices by next gen) for each game yet not getting full fat experience even low to midrange pc rig owners gonna be getting, thats a big L.

But its all speculations aka "tales from my ass" based on leaks, not official info/data so who really knows, maybe we will actually get proper highend ps6 with 250-300W powerdraw thats similar or even above rtx 4090 performance, including rt and ai upscaling, we will know soon enough coz if those next gen mashines coming holidays 2027 we will have to have actual official presentation by feb-may 2027 lates, and actual very credible leaks even in 2026.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

lol FK OFF Sony.
Feels like devs haven't even started to push the PS5 limits yet.

Wouldn't surprise me now MS has cucked out, Sony will try and further close the gap between gens going forward. PS7 in 2032!

7 years has been the standard console gen length since 2006. None of this surprising. That and console launches lineup with huge AMD GPU architecture launches and the only big one since RDNA2 (which the PS5 has) is RDNA5. This is all typical. Sony waiting for RDNA6 isn't going to be a big difference over what RDNA5 brings because AMD tends to front load all their innovations into one architecture and then iterate upon that.

 

[BlackTron]

Ofc, but before this gen consoles always went for the value, aka cost/performance ratio, with so many price increases this gen, currently consoles present terrible value vs midrange/lowend pc and we still got at least 2 more years of current console gen.
Every1 would understand ps5/xsx being as weak as they are basically 5 years after the launch and no1 would mind, if those consoles by now would cost 250 maybe 300$ at max, not what they cost now...

Which means its still 3x weaker from top pc gpu.

You see the increase in price of consoles, but not of PC components. They're still comparable as a ratio, but consoles look more silly because part of the deal was low cost of entry. Sure you can't upgrade anything in it later, but it's $299, so whatever. PS5 Pro is dated the second PS6 comes out and you can't do anything about it, which is iffy this late in the gen.

The best thing at this very moment is to use existing stuff and buy nothing, honestly if my new GPU died I'd fall back to the old 1060 and use my dated consoles more, and just wait. If you have nothing and just want a box that plays games, the PS on offer aren't technically a bad value compared to PC components really.

 

[twilo99]

What a trash generation if true. Only solidifies that moving to PC is the way to go in the future.

Consoles these days are simply outdated PCs

 

[TheMule1983]

It's always the 10+ years old accounts with few posts, always...
Who's alt are you ?

Almost 20 years old actually. Just don't post a ton. You can try to go outside some.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Almost 20 years old actually. Just don't post a ton. You can try to go outside some.

I Do, it's just that I don't have shill/sock accounts

 

[Lightbreak]

Definitely didn't miss anything.

Astro Bot, Returnal and Stellar Blade. SB and R are on PC but Astro Bot no, and is really good, but can be played on PS6

 

[TheMule1983]

I Do, it's just that I don't have shill/sock accounts

Apparently not if it's hard to imagine someone having an old account without thousands of posts. Get off the internet some my guy.

 

[TheMule1983]

Astro Bot, Returnal and Stellar Blade. SB and R are on PC but Astro Bot no, and is really good, but can be played on PS6

You named one title that is only on PS5. Once again. Not missing anything considering how expensive these things are now. I get your point though, just don't agree with it. Sonys outlook has been pitiful this gen compared to their past two.

 

[Lightbreak]

You named one title that is only on PS5. Once again. Not missing anything considering how expensive these things are now. I get your point though, just don't agree with it. Sony's outlook has been pitiful this gen compared to their past two.

Yeah i agree that's why i said that you can play two on PC and the other one on the PS6

 

[Fafalada]

TLDR: If sony themselfs gimping ps6's powerdraw to only 160W (aka way below previous gen) by definition we can forget about big generational leap and even being within striking distance to modern low to midrange pc gpu's, tuff times ahead, all im saying.

It worked for Nintendo, when you're not competing with anyone but yourself‍♀

In fairness consoles never competed with PC on 'power' it was all down to specialised hw that didn't exist on PC or was too exotic to ever get usable support.
Take that factor away(with consoles just running on PC hardware) and we get present day.

I suspect we could still get meaningful differences with ML acceleration use, which on PC has been even more stillborn than first 3 years of RT, even 7 years in.
But that will require at least one platform holder to lead the way, which between the one that waits and the one that walks away, leaves only the one breaking profit records.
So I'm not hopeful for anything there, really.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Apparently not if it's hard to imagine someone having an old account without thousands of posts. Get off the internet some my guy.

The effort you put into sounding rhetorical is almost endearing.

Still doesn't change the fact you're a sock account.

 

[BlackTron]

I fully understand console form factor has its limits and im perfectly fine with that, but from the leaks we hearing ps6 gonna only have 160W tpd, while for example ps5pr0 had 240W limit from the wall(tested by DF), so sony themselfs limiting ps6 hard, likely to make it more cost effective/massmarket ready aka 500-600$ at max.

Here quick DF video with the proof:



That wont look like good value proposition once again(same like super expensive and pathethically weak ps5pr0), so who really knows how things go...

"Today's consoles are a poor value proposition. These leaks indicate they are making PS6 more cost effective/massmarket. Therefore it will be a poor value proposition again" wait what?

We had back in the days one manufacturer making their stationary console draw much less power from the wall vs competition, that was nintendo and its Wii that ate around 16Watts while gaming, and it was significantly weaker vs ps3/x360.
WiiU used way less power than ps4/xbone too, and we know massive difference in graphics fidelity between those mashines.

TLDR: If sony themselfs gimping ps6's powerdraw to only 160W (aka way below previous gen) by definition we can forget about big generational leap and even being within striking distance to modern low to midrange pc gpu's, tuff times ahead, all im saying.
Console only gamer gonna pay 80$(or who knows, maybe even 100$ if they increase game prices by next gen) for each game yet not getting full fat experience even low to midrange pc rig owners gonna be getting, thats a big L.

But its all speculations aka "tales from my ass" based on leaks, not official info/data so who really knows, maybe we will actually get proper highend ps6 with 250-300W powerdraw thats similar or even above rtx 4090 performance, including rt and ai upscaling, we will know soon enough coz if those next gen mashines coming holidays 2027 we will have to have actual official presentation by feb-may 2027 lates, and actual very credible leaks even in 2026.

Thing is you are comparing low wattage consoles against same gen, and then using it as an example for what might happen across different gens. The original PS3 had a 380W power supply. PS4 is 250; PS5 200W. Being that it used the same kind of hardware, in the same gen, PS4 Pro got a bump at 230 watts, trying to get more done with the same tech. PS6 could be a different nm with other features that make the electricity less needed to achieve the same, you can't scale power with wattage consumption directly.

 

[PeteBull]

"Today's consoles are a poor value proposition. These leaks indicate they are making PS6 more cost effective/massmarket. Therefore it will be a poor value proposition again" wait what?



Thing is you are comparing low wattage consoles against same gen, and then using it as an example for what might happen across different gens. The original PS3 had a 380W power supply. PS4 is 250; PS5 200W. Being that it used the same kind of hardware, in the same gen, PS4 Pro got a bump at 230 watts, trying to get more done with the same tech. PS6 could be a different nm with other features that make the electricity less needed to achieve the same, you can't scale power with wattage consumption directly.

We dont have official ps6 specs nor price so we cant know about value proposition obviously, all im saying is if leaks prove to be true and 160W powerdraw ps6 is all we getting, it will be at best ps5pr0pr0, wont feel at all like proper next gen at all.
Remember pc tech moving forward too so by holidays 2027 we defo gonna have nvidia's 60xx series cards and amd's rdna5 cards too, they all will be expensive as hell, at least highend models, and actual streetprice(fake msrp be damned) so gap between console and pc hardware wont be smaller, it will be growing larger.
Which means only bargaining chip ps6 gonna have is offering good value, will it? We will know probably in 1,5year latest.