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[dano1]

So glad I skipped this generation altogether.

*if true

Just wait for the PS7

 

[dano1]

I strongly doubt the kind of people who bought a pro are bitching about the money they spent. And even if the PS6 were launching next year, they would probably have been first in line for that too.

You are correct. PS5 Pro owner here. PS6 day one. PS6 Pro day one. And so on

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I fully understand console form factor has its limits and im perfectly fine with that, but from the leaks we hearing ps6 gonna only have 160W tpd, while for example ps5pr0 had 240W limit from the wall(tested by DF), so sony themselfs limiting ps6 hard, likely to make it more cost effective/massmarket ready aka 500-600$ at max.

I don't know why this figure gets confused. There is a clear difference between TDP and TBP. These leaked numbers will always speak to TDP and never to TBP, the latter of which is the from-the-wall power draw. Eg, the PS5 at 7nm had an SOC TDP of around 180W, but a a from wall power draw (TBP) of around 250W.

A 3nm chip, with a TDP of 160W, is nothing to scoff at.

For comparision ps4pr0 basically in worst case scenario bumped res from 1080p ps4 to 1440p on the pr0, thats +78% of pixels, and framerate usually got more stable on top, for same 400$/€ like base console costed, that was solid deal/great value unlike what we got current gen.

I think comparisons like these are unfair, or at the very least lacking context. Its almost as if we dont understnd how console design really goes or we are just in denial. The difference between the PS4pro and the PS5pro with regard to design philosophy is ML reconstruction. And the sooner people understand and accept this, the better, because it's the new benchmark for hardware design. The PS5pro is not designed to take native 1080p to 1440p/4K. It's designed to take native 1080p to 1440p/4K using MLR. That simple difference completely defines how a system is designed.

And that would be the same thing with the PS6.

TLDR: If sony themselfs gimping ps6's powerdraw to only 160W (aka way below previous gen) by definition we can forget about big generational leap and even being within striking distance to modern low to midrange pc gpu's, tuff times ahead, all im saying.
Console only gamer gonna pay 80$(or who knows, maybe even 100$ if they increase game prices by next gen) for each game yet not getting full fat experience even low to midrange pc rig owners gonna be getting, thats a big L.

I would really like to know where this whole 160W power draw thing is coming from. As it stands, right now... no one can actually know something like that. The TDP is more likely to be known, even though thats never really set in stone by this time in development as all it takes to change that number higher or lower is something as simple as a clock's change.

From the wall, power draw doesn't just take into account what the chip is pulling, but even things like memory draw, and even disc drive draw. How can anyone possibly know that at this stage???

 

[BlackTron]

We dont have official ps6 specs nor price so we cant know about value proposition obviously, all im saying is if leaks prove to be true and 160W powerdraw ps6 is all we getting, it will be at best ps5pr0pr0, wont feel at all like proper next gen at all.
Remember pc tech moving forward too so by holidays 2027 we defo gonna have nvidia's 60xx series cards and amd's rdna5 cards too, they all will be expensive as hell, at least highend models, and actual streetprice(fake msrp be damned) so gap between console and pc hardware wont be smaller, it will be growing larger.
Which means only bargaining chip ps6 gonna have is offering good value, will it? We will know probably in 1,5year latest.

I see this more a point with me than against? Right, so PCs will continue to blow up in price, and we predict PS6 will be poor value because...it's moving the gap farther away from expensive PC into efficient humble console land. Again, what?

Without knowing specs, it's hard to call this either way, for or against. While we have diminishing returns, I still don't know what will be here in two years, so the 160w could be as ho-hum as the drop every gen since PS3. WiiU or Switch are poor examples here, if anything they work against your point because they show how little wattage you need to achieve the same as time goes on. Switch 2 runs competent versions of current gen games like RE with 20 watts. So why assume 160w console is a weak system?

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I see this more a point with me than against? Right, so PCs will continue to blow up in price, and we predict PS6 will be poor value because...it's moving the gap farther away from expensive PC into efficient humble console land. Again, what?

Without knowing specs, it's hard to call this either way, for or against. While we have diminishing returns, I still don't know what will be here in two years, so the 160w could be as ho-hum as the drop every gen since PS3. WiiU or Switch are poor examples here, if anything they work against your point because they show how little wattage you need to achieve the same as time goes on. Switch 2 runs competent versions of current gen games like RE with 20 watts. So why assume 160w console is a weak system?

I just think its too early to tell. But here's something else people might miss.

The RX 9070, for example, is a 56CU, 4nm, 2.5Ghz, 36TF, 256bit GPU with a TBP... this is from the wall draw, of 220W. And that's something whose memory system would use more power. The PS6 would be on an even more efficient process node, would have less of a memory load, a smaller bus, and fewer mem modules (while still having higher capacity).

So I find it weird when people talk about these things as if every gen its a simple orange-to-orange comparison.

 

[twilo99]

Seems Unreal Engine 5 is really built for next gen anyways. Also, cdpr getting two attempts at cross gen games in a row is hillarious.

Current "gen" boxes are built on an anemic CPU architecture from 7 years ago… that's the main issue, not Unreal Engine

 

[PeteBull]

I see this more a point with me than against? Right, so PCs will continue to blow up in price, and we predict PS6 will be poor value because...it's moving the gap farther away from expensive PC into efficient humble console land. Again, what?

My point is- we know ps6 wont be able to compete not only against high range pc rigs but even againts midrange ones either, so only thing going for it will have to be value, and about value, at least looking at current gen, it doesnt look too optimistic at all, but again, those are pure speculations based on unofficial early leaks, gotta wait bit longer to be sure.

 

[BlackTron]

My point is- we know ps6 wont be able to compete not only against high range pc rigs but even againts midrange ones either, so only thing going for it will have to be value, and about value, at least looking at current gen, it doesnt look too optimistic at all, but again, those are pure speculations based on unofficial early leaks, gotta wait bit longer to be sure.

Right, it's too early and we can only speculate using limited, weak info. I wouldn't see 160w as an indicator of poor value is all I'm saying.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

I wouldn't see 160w as an indicator of poor value is all I'm saying.

I do (and the cut memory bus)

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I do (and the cut memory bus)

160W *?

TDP or TBP?

What's the memory bus issue? 640GB/s of bandwidth is bad? Why? What are they doing with more bandwidth? How much bandwidth do you think a 1080p/1440p native machine needs to hit and maintain 60fps?

 

[BlackTron]

I do (and the cut memory bus)

I would consider cut memory bus more worrisome, but even then. That is only a signal it might not be as strong as it could have, which is kind of like a signal it will be more affordable/efficient vs the PC hardware of the time. We're talking about value vs PCs right? Not just raw power in a vacuum?

 

[Bojji]

160W *?

TDP or TBP?

What's the memory bus issue? 640GB/s of bandwidth is bad? Why? What are they doing with more bandwidth? How much bandwidth do you think a 1080p/1440p native machine needs to hit and maintain 60fps?

This bandwidth is not great - it's also shared with the CPU and Zen6 will be able to eat up to ~70GB/s.

This is very marginal update vs. PS5 Pro and this console is already memory BW limited. Compression tech will help but how much? PC GPUs have big L2 or L3 cache to help with that, nothing like that will be on consoles.

 

[reinking]

These people should just get a PC.

...but I already had a PC.

I did not have a PS5 Pro when I bought it.

I play on all devices but people really should learn that "get a PC" is not the answer for millions of console gamers that play exclusively on consoles. They do not want to play games on a PC so the advice is terrible for them.

 

[nial]

Why is the Demon's Souls remake so fucking different in terms of atmosphere and style, it's like Blue Point either deliberately or by accident (don't know which case is worse) looked at the original, said decided that all they saw were technical limitations and said "nah!" and instead did a Hollywood dark fantasy Soulslike.

the remake looks pretty much like dark souls 3 in terms of art direction
and was also led by Japan Studio

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Only 4 CPU cores available for game development on the handheld is odd and seems a bit too low.

 

[Toons]

Theyre literally still making games with ps4 support so why even bother

 

[Radical_3d]

How has NVIDIA rasterization been stagnating for ages? Maybe in the low-end where they purposely gut their cards and make them smaller with each generation.

2080 Ti>3090 Ti: 60%
3090 Ti>4090: 55%
4090>5090: 30%

They illustrate the actual progress of the die. The 60 series is a great case study of shrinkflation.

The enthusiast class with ever increasing die size and whooping prices are nothing to go by. The 4060 is barely stronger than a PS5. That's stagnation.

I fully understand console form factor has its limits and im perfectly fine with that, but from the leaks we hearing ps6 gonna only have 160W tpd, while for example ps5pr0 had 240W limit from the wall(tested by DF), so sony themselfs limiting ps6 hard, likely to make it more cost effective/massmarket ready aka 500-600$ at max.

Here quick DF video with the proof:



That wont look like good value proposition once again(same like super expensive and pathethically weak ps5pr0), so who really knows how things go...

For comparision ps4pr0 basically in worst case scenario bumped res from 1080p ps4 to 1440p on the pr0, thats +78% of pixels, and framerate usually got more stable on top, for same 400$/€ like base console costed, that was solid deal/great value unlike what we got current gen.

We had back in the days one manufacturer making their stationary console draw much less power from the wall vs competition, that was nintendo and its Wii that ate around 16Watts while gaming, and it was significantly weaker vs ps3/x360.
WiiU used way less power than ps4/xbone too, and we know massive difference in graphics fidelity between those mashines.

TLDR: If sony themselfs gimping ps6's powerdraw to only 160W (aka way below previous gen) by definition we can forget about big generational leap and even being within striking distance to modern low to midrange pc gpu's, tuff times ahead, all im saying.
Console only gamer gonna pay 80$(or who knows, maybe even 100$ if they increase game prices by next gen) for each game yet not getting full fat experience even low to midrange pc rig owners gonna be getting, thats a big L.

But its all speculations aka "tales from my ass" based on leaks, not official info/data so who really knows, maybe we will actually get proper highend ps6 with 250-300W powerdraw thats similar or even above rtx 4090 performance, including rt and ai upscaling, we will know soon enough coz if those next gen mashines coming holidays 2027 we will have to have actual official presentation by feb-may 2027 lates, and actual very credible leaks even in 2026.

I fully agree but I thought that 160w was the chip alone since the leak comes from AMD. But it'd make sense to be the whole system. 160w for the chip alone in a console would be monstrous. And I don't think console gamers care. I don't care. I'd prefer a more powerful system, yes, but what I'm going to do about it? Go to the Xbox sinkhole? Build a PC that feels like work for everything? We're really trapped here.

 

[CGNoire]

Dont care anymore.
Generations mean nothing now.
Only Greed matters.

Cant muster much excitement just to play PS4Pro Super Duper Plus Edition games for $90.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I honestly think the pro will last a few years into next gen with not so drastic differences

I feel the next gen push from Sony will be a lot of frame gen and upscaling.

I can't wait to see games on this box and how they make them work across the handheld and the home console and ps5.

 

[rkofan87]

PlayStation 6 Release Locked for 2027, "Not Just on the Table, It’s the Plan," Says Leaker Following Sony and AMD's Project Amethyst Showcase

After Sony and AMD’s “Project Amethyst” tech showcase teased the building blocks of the next console generation, a well-known tech leaker says PlayStation 6’s launch isn’t a maybe, it’s the plan for 2027.

thegamepost.com

Source: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/from-project-amethyst-to-the-future-of-play-amd-and-sony-interactive-entertainment's-shared-vision.1688947/page-4#post-270885018

if true I will most likely not buy at launch unless physint is a launch game.

 

[Gaiff]

The enthusiast class with ever increasing die size and whooping prices are nothing to go by. The 4060 is barely stronger than a PS5. That's stagnation.

It's not stagnation and it's not that the rastrerzarion hasn't improved, it has. They just cut down their low-end products more and more.

 

[Pedro Motta]

if true I will most likely not buy at launch unless physint is a launch game.

That's a 2029 game at least.

 

[CashPrizes]

I don't get why anyone is surprised, no console generation has been longer then 7 years, in fact they used to be 4 or 5 years.

PS5 pro released just after halfway thru the generation just like the PS4 pro. I wish I had one but also glad I did not buy, I will probably just wait to play Yotei and GTA VI and Intergalactic on PS6.

 

[CashPrizes]

It will take a lot to get me on board. But if they release a balanced, small, cheap console then I'll consider it.

If they're still going to chase POWER and end up with a $599+ console I don't really care. I'll just stick with PC.

Make something small, cheap, with modern tech and good ai features to compensate and I'll be there. Games scale well now, FSR5 will probably exist by then, we don't need 70 CU's and a high price tag in the age of ai upscaling and diminishing returns.

Dude.... it's definitely going to be $800 minimum.

 

[CashPrizes]

nah U$600 max

Nah, the PS5Pro is $700, things aren't getting cheaper with tariffs and AI driving up chip prices.
$800 minimum, could be $850. I don't think $900 only because 9 is an expensive looking number.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Nah, the PS5Pro is $700, things aren't getting cheaper with tariffs and AI driving up chip prices.
$800 minimum, could be $850. I don't think $900 only because 9 is an expensive looking number.

If this is the case, console gaming ll be dead in a year.

 

[Mownoc]

Dude.... it's definitely going to be $800 minimum.

Nope. They will target a price point and set the hardware specs accordingly to hit it. The base model will not be $799+. The PS6 will be designed as a mass market device.

In raw GPU power it's likely to be the smallest generational leap to achieve this due to the realities of the current market.

 

[DenchDeckard]

PS6 cant be more than 600 dollars or its game over for high end console gaming imo. Look at the upset over the switch 2. If the standard PS6 launches at above $700 dollars, then its joever.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Well the good news is that everyone seems so certain this will more expensive than the PS5 Pro's price that once it comes out at like 600 bucks yall will be "this shit is cheap as hell! i'm in!"

 

[M1987]

Nah, the PS5Pro is $700, things aren't getting cheaper with tariffs and AI driving up chip prices.
$800 minimum, could be $850. I don't think $900 only because 9 is an expensive looking number.

I don't think they will be that price.Sony will want to sell upwards of 80m and they won't be doing that at them prices

 

[Radical_3d]

If the standard PS6 launches at above $550 dollars, then its joever.

FTFY. People are screaming in the streets pulling their hair because the 450€ Switch 2. No way in hell this stuff wouldn't face a massive backlash if it nears the 600€ figure.

 

[BlackTron]

They're making a profit on PS5 now, and are under less pressure to worry about parity with Xbox. The base/launch PS6 won't exceed 600. The next bracket will be for the Pro model.

Sony wants the price as low as possible so you can get one and buy games on it instead of your Nintendo or PC.

 

[Felessan]

These people should just get a PC.

Why should they?
PC is PC with its own set of problems

TLDR: If sony themselfs gimping ps6's powerdraw to only 160W (aka way below previous gen) by definition we can forget about big generational leap and even being within striking distance to modern low to midrange pc gpu's, tuff times ahead, all im saying.

Apples to apples, not to oranges
Oberon TDP was 180w, so we are looking at -10% for SoC and not "way below"

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Why should they?
PC is PC with its own set of problems

People who care about power should invest in PC. Support for Pro consoles are always lackluster. I was so disappointed in PS4 Pro that I switched to PC exclusively and have 0 regrets. And zero problems.

 

[Felessan]

People who care about power should invest in PC. Support for Pro consoles are always lackluster. I was so disappointed in PS4 Pro that I switched to PC exclusively and have 0 regrets. And zero problems.

I have both Pro and PC w 7900xtx - I will not play PC if I have a choice besides some specific genres (MMO and FPS).
Just not that level of comfort and lots of random troubleshooting

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I have both Pro and PC w 7900xtx - I will not play PC if I have a choice besides some specific genres (MMO and FPS).
Just not that level of comfort and lots of random troubleshooting

Yeah for some people technology can be challenging. Consoles are an easy way out.

 

[Radical_3d]

Yeah for some people technology can be challenging. Consoles are an easy way out.

I earn my living by coding and I have been PC gaming since you had to do a memmaker in DOS to free RAM. Troubleshooting PCs is neither new or strange to me. I just don't want to work when I'm home, is that so shameful.

If you consider not working at home normal please give me convincing arguments for my partner. Thanks.

 

[Interfectum]

Sony HAS to have something up their sleeve for PS6 besides just portable and more powerful. What is the hook?

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I earn my living by coding and I have been PC gaming since you had to do a memmaker in DOS to free RAM. Troubleshooting PCs is neither new or strange to me. I just don't want to work when I'm home, is that so shameful.

If you consider not working at home normal please give me convincing arguments for my partner. Thanks.

I honestly don't get what you're troubleshooting. I open Steam, pick a game, and click play. That's it. Are you trying to install huge mod lists or run games from the 90s? What's the issue?

 

[DenchDeckard]

I have both Pro and PC w 7900xtx - I will not play PC if I have a choice besides some specific genres (MMO and FPS).
Just not that level of comfort and lots of random troubleshooting

I earn my living by coding and I have been PC gaming since you had to do a memmaker in DOS to free RAM. Troubleshooting PCs is neither new or strange to me. I just don't want to work when I'm home, is that so shameful.

If you consider not working at home normal please give me convincing arguments for my partner. Thanks.

I honestly do not know what trouble shooting exists for PC gaming. I think, if you are running your PC at stock settings, not messing with Overclocking or down volting etc and just running the components at their manufactured settings, you literally have to do a windows update and GPU driver update, motherboard driver update that is all pretty much handled in the system tray.

I literally turn my front room PC on now and its as good and better than consoles by a mile. BF 6 looks insane on my OLED, so does Borderlands 4. Every game looks better and I have 0 requirement to trouble shoot.

Out of interest, what do you guys have to troubleshoot?

 

[Radical_3d]

What's the issue?

But if you want to gaslight youngster into PC "plug and play" be my guess.

 

[DenchDeckard]

But if you want to gaslight youngster into PC "plug and play" be my guess.

You cant make statements about troubleshooting and not provide any actual proof. What are you specifically having to trouble shoot with your PC?

 

[existensmaximum]

lol FK OFF Sony.
Feels like devs haven't even started to push the PS5 limits yet.

Wouldn't surprise me now MS has cucked out, Sony will try and further close the gap between gens going forward. PS7 in 2032!

The times of pushing consoles to their limit is basically in the past.

 

[Sethbacca]

I honestly think the pro will last a few years into next gen with not so drastic differences

If we remain in an era where consoles no longer shrink in price, and world conditions necessitate increases, it makes the most sense just to buy it at launch. You get the lowest average cost per day of use and potentially avoid price increases later.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

But if you want to gaslight youngster into PC "plug and play" be my guess.

These days? Once you set up your OS and install everything, it just works. Zero issues whatsoever. You'd have to be seriously tech-challenged to mess it up. Even things like streaming to Steam Deck and cloud saves. Smooth as butter.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Sounds like there's more console users gaslighting people that there are issues with PC gaming than there actually are than the other way around.

 

[Borealis]

E33, Bananza, Silksong, Hades II, Blue Prince, Split Fiction.

It's possible and I would even say likely that neither GOY or DS2 gets a nomination.

And there is Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 as well. This masterpiece of an RPG got completely forgotten in GOTY talks somehow. E33, Hades 2, Silksong and KCD 2 are the 'locked' nominees for me so far. And then probably Bananza to have Nintendo represented as well (not saying that Bananza isnt great, I havent played it myself).
That being said, its only between E33 or Silksong (with maybe Hades 2) anyway. And E33 will take it.

 

[Radical_3d]

You cant make statements about troubleshooting and not provide any actual proof. What are you specifically having to trouble shoot with your PC?

HDR is broken (yes, I use Windows 11), Windows in general but more specifically arbitrary CPU requirements for updates, drivers, game optimisation, differences between DirectX versions, DirectX was a pain years ago BTW, specific solutions like copy this DLL here for problems that only a 0.1% of the user base has, change an .ini file…

From the top of my mind I remember those but just go to PC GAF or any other forum to find more.

These days? Once you set up your OS and install everything, it just works. Zero issues whatsoever. You'd have to be seriously tech-challenged to mess it up. Even things like streaming to Steam Deck and cloud saves. Smooth as butter.

Thanks. I didn't remember that: set up everything. What a fucking pain. Ports randomly not working even if they are plugged to the motherboard, Windows 10's personal beef against WiFi drivers…

I don't have a horse in this race, guys. I love playing strategy on PC. But good for you if everything has been a Newell's bliss.

 

[Punished Miku]

Sony HAS to have something up their sleeve for PS6 besides just portable and more powerful. What is the hook?

Usually it's just more powerful. Portable is a pretty big hook, and it's not surprising at all that they'd try it. They have a long history of copying successful Nintendo initiatives.

 

[Zathalus]

But if you want to gaslight youngster into PC "plug and play" be my guess.

99% of the time these days you just click play on a game. Naturally there is that 1% that stuff does go wrong, that consoles just don't have. But for the majority of users it usually just works, it wouldn't be nearly as popular these days if the likelihood of issues were that high.