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[Team Andromeda]

Fab news and what console gamers need, 7 years is long enough for a console IMO

 

[Moses85]

Spoiler

New Dreamcast!

 

[Elios83]

PS6 will be out late 2027 as planned. People thinking otherwise are fooling themselves.

Regarding next Xbox I'm excited to learn more about it.

Some people never learn.
Speculation by an analyst equals confirmed
No one is throwing away whole business plans, investements and strategies because of higher ram costs in early 2026 when last time they launched during an unprecedented pandemic with full supply chain shortages that lasted two years.

Both Microsoft and Sony will go ahead as planned.

 

[kruis]

I'm more interested in how major publishers like R* react to Magnus cause other than that it's just a piece of plastic box and we've seen many of them.

Yep. If publishers see this as another Windows PC instead of its own thing, they'll release their games for Steam and call it a day.

 

[Ozriel]

This Xbox PC hybrid should have come out four months ago. That would have been the right moment now Xbox Series S/X sales are cratering and it's time for a hail mary/last hurrah from MS to spur new interest in Xbox. It could even have been reasonably affordable since manufacturing would have already begun before the RAM crisis reared its ugly head.

But in Q4 2027 the Xbox brand will be dead and buried. If Xbox only sold 1.5-2 million consoles in 2025, just imagine the state of Xbox in 2027. Xbox on PC arrives far, far too late to change anything. In fact, there's nothing stopping other companies from releasing their own clones if MS makes a new Windows available with the "Xbox on PC" enhancements. The difference will be that those 3rd party clones won't have built-in Xbox One/Series hw compatibility, but how much of a selling point is this to people who just want a cheap "PC in a box" and don't care about Xbox?

They should have launch this xbox hybrid along with Asus rog ally x. Now it will go head to head with Steam machine which is also a pc hybrid.

They were supposed to launched a premium product for more than the PS6…with significantly weaker specs?

They would have been crazy to launch before RDNA5/Zen 6. They're no longer playing in the mass market volume console space, so coming out with a midrange product and current software quirks would have been a disaster.

Launch a new console in this economy? At how much? With what exclusives? Who is going to buy an xbox then?

If gamers are already crying that the ps6 should be delayed, xbox sales are cratering, no must have games on the horizon for 2027, why would anyone buy it?

If the rumored capabilities of the next console are real, nobody would be bothered about 'exclusives' for a hardware platform that would certainly have the widest library.

There's a vocal subset of folks that want the PS6 to be delayed, but there are quite a lot of folks who would happily make the purchase if the PS6 launched in 2026.

You bought a PS5 Pro, afterall. And people are still buying high end GPUs and gaming PCs and laptops in this economy.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Great - the first console to launch with no built-in RAM, and selling add-on packs to boot it.

Maybe 'that's' how MS gets all the market share back...

I thought about that. They could sell some cheaper models of Magnus without GDDR7 and let people buy their own.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Great - the first console to launch with no built-in RAM, and selling add-on packs to boot it.

Maybe 'that's' how MS gets all the market share back...

 

[Panajev2001a]

Moving through the UI with the joystick and pressing on the Xbox button works most of the time. But the other 5-10% of the time it doesn't, it's trash lol.

This is awful UI especially considering the HW it runs on… yikes…

 

[Lucifers Beard]

I'm interested to know if all the talk about it supporting Steam is true and how it actually works. If it's more powerful than the Steam Machine (which I assume it would be) then it could be worth picking up, depending on the price of course.

 

[gerth666]

It is living rent free in several people's heads that is for sure

Serious question. We know this is expected to be expensive.
On a scale of how many extra jobs you need to buy it, how much would you predict?

I think this could be a machine worth owing, assuming it doesn't cost more than £1000

 

[Sanepar]

1 year before Sony would be smart.

 

[Shogmaster]

SoC being ready for design and production means nothing for when a product using the SoC will actually launch.
The most recent egregious example is Switch2 with it's SoC being ready circa 2019 and the system launching in 2025.

Nintendo is a terrible example to prove this line of thinking. For 4 gens in a row, they launched old ass hardware for cost reasons. MS and Sony launch on the edge of GPU tech. Series and PS5 launched within 6ish months of RDNA 2 launch on PCs. Same will be true for Magnus and PS6 regarding RDNA 5.

 

[Fafalada]

I thought about that. They could sell some cheaper models of Magnus without GDDR7 and let people buy their own.

I can just see Digital Foundry videos:
FaceOff: Xb8GB vs Xb1TB (starting at only 9999$)

Richard approved

 

[Sanepar]

If this thing runs Steam, it will probably be the only option to keep playing pc game. I don't believe in new gpus for gaming from AMD and Nvidia.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I can just see Digital Foundry videos:
FaceOff: Xb8GB vs Xb1TB (starting at only 9999$)

Richard approved

I disagree with Richard, what's the point of releasing something not special?

 

[saintjules]

November 2027 would make sense then.

As it always did.

 

[MayauMiao]

Spoiler

 

[drian_vanden]

For the time being, Xbox Next's supposed superior hardware sheet doesn't bring me any excitement though.

I like the graphics in games like Kingdom Come 2, or even already Red Dead Redemption 2, TLoU2, Death Stranding 2, Burning Shores or Ghost of Yōtei, and a little bit more CPU capacity or RAM should do the trick.

I totally get it that there's an audience that is attracted by the Xbox Next silhouette.

But for me personally, I do much more enjoy Cerny's approach for PS6 that he's been talking about over the last months.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Serious question. We know this is expected to be expensive.
On a scale of how many extra jobs you need to buy it, how much would you predict?

I think this could be a machine worth owing, assuming it doesn't cost more than £1000

I will start by saying I don't know a price but when I was first hearing these guys talk about this machine one of them (who would 100% know) said something along the lines of "the downside of this it will be quite expensive, like upper mid range PC cost"

I have said for quite sometime I expected $1000 but after Sarah Bond said in that one video they wanted the next console to be a premium experience it might be more

All that to say I have no idea on how much

 

[Tomorrow]

i wonder if this is Microsoft seeing a chance to stay in the hardware market. they've got enough money to absorb the cost of higher memory/storage costs. if they can get to market before Sony again then that'll be a boost as well for them. if the AI bubble does burst then it's a long game they're playing. they might take the risk of absorbing the costs in the hope that prices drop in a few years post launch.

but i think it might be too late. they've already committed to releasing their games on Playstation. they'd need to try do something special with the next console. not sure how much more powerful they can make it or get developers making use of it the more powerful hardware before PS6.

 

[splattered]

Kinda funny when something happens that some people don't want to happen and that thing makes lots of people happy which also makes some people unhappy because they're only happy when they're the ones being happy.

 

[Sid]

2-3 years before PS6?

 

[gerth666]

I will start by saying I don't know a price but when I was first hearing these guys talk about this machine one of them (who would 100% know) said something along the lines of "the downside of this it will be quite expensive, like upper mid range PC cost"

I have said for quite sometime I expected $1000 but after Sarah Bond said in that one video they wanted the next console to be a premium experience it might be more

All that to say I have no idea on how much

Assuming the cost for this is not astronomical, I can see myself picking one up.
I think this would be a good companion with my playstation consoles.
The openness of the ecosystem is quite an attractive proposition.

 

[splattered]

Right.. Xbox 1st party dev doesnt have the rights to show them? Sorry this post is ridiculous.

 

[adamsapple]

Right.. Xbox 1st party dev doesnt have the rights to show them? Sorry this post is ridiculous.

I don't think it's about 'right to show them', if this is real then it makes sense they would want to keep the dev kit hidden.

You saw same thing in Death Stranding 2 dev videos, a Sony published game, they hid dev kits with clothes or blurring which were the PS5 Pro dev kits at that time.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Right.. Xbox 1st party dev doesnt have the rights to show them? Sorry this post is ridiculous.

Rules for even having a devkit are extremely tight and for the longest time they were forbidden to even take pictures of them (maybe rules have changed recently)

I recall hearing one guy talk about getting a kit (wont name which platform) last gen and he claimed part of the signed NDA was the kit could not even be in a room with windows

 

[Mr Moose]

2-3 years before PS6?

 

[winjer]

Rules for even having a devkit are extremely tight and for the longest time they were forbidden to even take pictures of them (maybe rules have changed recently)

I recall hearing one guy talk about getting a kit (wont name which platform) last gen and he claimed part of the signed NDA was the kit could not even be in a room with windows

Are you sure it was a devkit and not a guy in Guantanamo?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Are you sure it was a devkit and not a guy in Guantanamo?

 

[IbizaPocholo]

 

[YeulEmeralda]

9950x3D
64 gigabyte DDR5 ram
4 terabyte SSD
Nvidia 5090

399 dollars

(Source: it came to me in a dream)

 

[splattered]

He means AMD aren't confirming the launch window, not that the console itself isn't going to launch.

 

[skyfinch]

Or you know, they could just add an extra 4 gigs of ram to the Series S. Series S is still insanely powerful and at a customer friendly price. Buy it now on xbox.com.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Or you know, they could just add an extra 4 gigs of ram to the Series S. Series S is still insanely powerful and at a customer friendly price. Buy it now on xbox.com.

Series Panther Lake S. I hear it has XESS.

 

[Shogmaster]

I thought about that. They could sell some cheaper models of Magnus without GDDR7 and let people buy their own.

That's not how GDDR works. They have to be soldered on board and their path length has rmto be very precise among various other factors.

GDDR is very finicky as Steam Machine engineers explained in interview with Gamer Nexus.

 

[Physiognomonics]

That's not how GDDR works. They have to be soldered on board and their path length has rmto be very precise among various other factors.

GDDR is very finicky as Steam Machine engineers explained in interview with Gamer Nexus.

Yes I indeed I had forgotten about this. But they could engineer the MB in order to have the same path length going to the GPU. Couldn't they?

 

[Fafalada]

9950x3D
64 gigabyte DDR5 ram (*optional add-on)
4 terabyte SSD
Nvidia 5090

399 dollars

*starting at 1999$ for 8GB.

Fixed.

 

[Sid]

PS5 is rumored to have a longer lifecycle

 

[Fess]

I'd imagine dev kits would need to be sent out more than 6 months before projected launch if they want to have games for the thing ready by launch, whether new or updates to older games.

Is a dev kit needed? Isn't the whole point with this hybrid that devs can just make normal PC versions?

 

[adamsapple]

Is a dev kit needed? Isn't the whole point with this hybrid that devs can just make normal PC versions?

No, there's a console SKU component too. The PC part, to the best of my rudimentary understanding, is akin to a dual boot situation.

 

[Fess]

No, there's a console SKU component too. The PC part, to the best of my rudimentary understanding, is akin to a dual boot situation.

Isn't the console part just hardware to get full Xbox backwards compatibility?
Can't see why devs would make dedicated Xbox Magnus versions. The console side of Xbox is dead. It's all about moving people over to PC now.

 

[KeplerL2]

SoC being ready for design and production means nothing for when a product using the SoC will actually launch.
The most recent egregious example is Switch2 with it's SoC being ready circa 2019 and the system launching in 2025.

They aren't going to delay the console by 2 years to have a big launch exclusive since this will have no exclusives in the first place.

 

[Three]

Right.. Xbox 1st party dev doesnt have the rights to show them? Sorry this post is ridiculous.

No it's not. Not that it's necessarily true that they are xbox devkits but first party or otherwise you are not allowed to post devkit pictures to the public.

 

[adamsapple]

Isn't the console part just hardware to get full Xbox backwards compatibility?
Can't see why devs would make dedicated Xbox Magnus versions. The console side of Xbox is dead. It's all about moving people over to PC now.

A part of it, yes. That's their means to get all your existing library back, but again, to the best of my rudimentary understanding, it's still a new console in there too.

 

[Fess]

A part of it, yes. That's their means to get all your existing library back, but again, to the best of my rudimentary understanding, it's still a new console in there too.

What so a legacy Xbox BC mode, a PC mode and a next gen Xbox Magnus mode?
Sounds complicated… They better have one single UI for all that or it'll feel like a patch job.

 

[Darsxx82]

Kinda funny when something happens that some people don't want to happen and that thing makes lots of people happy which also makes some people unhappy because they're only happy when they're the ones being happy.

You know well.....

What dev kits?

Devs can just buy any PC instead

To create game versions specifically optimized for particular hardware (Xbox Store) versus unoptimized versions of the same game (PC Steam)?

It's expected and logical that Microsoft will try to give reasons for "Magnus" users (whether is a console, a PC, or both with OEms) to look at the Xbox Store version and not the Steam Store version. Offering the most optimized version with console like features tailored to the specific hardware that they manufacture and sell (there will be a new controller with new) should be the primary goal.

It would simply be a matter of leveraging the existing infrastructure and relationships with Studios and publishers to achieve this.

 

[FalconPunch]

If the rumored capabilities of the next console are real, nobody would be bothered about 'exclusives' for a hardware platform that would certainly have the widest library.

There's a vocal subset of folks that want the PS6 to be delayed, but there are quite a lot of folks who would happily make the purchase if the PS6 launched in 2026.

You bought a PS5 Pro, afterall. And people are still buying high end GPUs and gaming PCs and laptops in this economy.

You can buy a pc right now with better specs than the next xbox. The people who want that already purchased that....

The rumored price is $1000 - $1200 so it's not a high volume device. Again, I don't understand the rush to score an own goal?

 

[Det]

the hope of making a ton of profit from dozens of adams and mikus buying it, margins need to be high enough for it to be viable

I think that's exactly the reason for the launch.
To suck up the brand fanatics who defend and buy any crap Xbox releases.

Besides, of course, being an argument for brand fanatics to continue defending them online:

"MS didn't abandon us, they launched the 'magnus' PC with backwards compatibility that costs 200% more than the PS5 and is only 25% more powerful on paper."
"We'll continue defending Xbox because of that, victory."

One of the many problems with the Xbox executives is their fetish for cultivating brand fanaticism, for giving brand fanaticism arguments to "win" online discussions.

 

[Stafford]

Jez said 2027 at the earliest, but at least she isn't saying that. I guess there's hope left. I am definitely ready for it.

 

[GoldenEye98]

This thing is going to be interesting but pretty niche imo....more akin to a pro console than a base console.