adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
'Better than the next xbox' with 16GB RAM ? Oookey.
Edit: Kepler-smacked as well, lol.
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'Better than the next xbox' with 16GB RAM ? Oookey.
Edit: Kepler-smacked as well, lol.
Profits?
Just as I thought.
The laptop 5070ti benchmarks in line with a desktop 4060. Basically around the same as a PS5 Pro. It also has just 12GB VRAM.
It is inferior in every way to the leaked next gen xbox specs
Rumors also put the next Xbox above the desktop RTX 5070ti. And that desktop you've put up is not small sized.
so you've basically failed on the power and price metric.
???
What does this statement from AMD in this thread contradict about the possibility of an "Xbox console" separate from "Xbox PC Oems" even though they're part of the same Xbox hardware roadmap?
In fact, all the official statements align more with what K KeplerL2 and
HeisenbergFX4
have been arguing here than with what Jez Corden is saying. That is, "Magnus" will give life to a new Xbox "console" created first-party by Microsoft, and it will possibly form the basis of the architecture for fully Windows-based OEM Xbox PCs in the future.We'll see, but the distinction they make is clear.
Examples??
Many, starting with the Xbox and AMD announcement itself, press release, and presentation videos. There are several threads here on NeoGAF as well, with interviews where literally " next Xbox console" is repeated continuously...
I don't think it would be too hard for you to Google it but here some....
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
news.xbox.com
Xbox strikes "strategic, multi-year agreement" with AMD, "powering the next generation of Xbox"
Xbox has partnered with AMD to "power the next generation of Xbox."
www.gamesindustry.biz
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I was merely remarking that the statement from AMD doesn't differentiate anything.
Other than that, I didn't know you meant OEM's.
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RickMasters
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People with large Xbox libraries. Like myself. My circle of gamer friends who I been playing videogames with since X360 days. So yeah I'm pretty sure Adam and Miku won't be the only ones buying it.
But then again maybe you think the only people who play on Xbox are the few people you can identity as Xbox owners on the gaf.
The internet keeps getting dumber.
Remembering the past and predicting the future has become fanaticism LOLThe sheer irony of you piping up about fanaticism
People with large Xbox libraries. Like myself. My circle of gamer friends who I been playing videogames with since X360 days. So yeah I'm pretty sure Adam and Miku won't be the only ones buying it.
But then again maybe you think the only people who play on Xbox are the few people you can identity as Xbox owners on the gaf.
The internet keeps getting dumber.
Just keep using the Xbox Series X and buy a PC now.
Then you can say that your PC transitioned and now identifies as an Xbox.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Maybe 5070 Ti laptop would be comparable to more like PS6.
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Comparable to the PS5 Pro.
memoryman3
Member
An equivalent to this new Xbox Melrose device currently costs $2350 to build, and that's excluding the operating system.
They would need to optimise their storefront for controllers.
Is the RAM modular? I still have concerns regarding the 36GB shared memory, and I feel with Windows it would be uncompetitive with a 30GB PS6. 48GB would be more comfortable and 64 would be very ideal but I don't think 64 is feasible?
They would need to optimise their storefront for controllers.
Is the RAM modular? I still have concerns regarding the 36GB shared memory, and I feel with Windows it would be uncompetitive with a 30GB PS6. 48GB would be more comfortable and 64 would be very ideal but I don't think 64 is feasible?
asdasdasdbb
Member
That too. Good news is that Sony put a nice upgrade in the CPU at least in the PS6.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I know its minor but actually Magnus is the AMD chip code name, I haven't seen anyone use the Xbox console code name yetWill this talk with Xbox be a request for them to release their first-party games on the Epic Games Store? Right now, I think Microsoft only releases on PC/Windows/Xbox Store, right?
The funny thing is that Microsoft, AMD, S. Bond, P. Spencer, and every Xbox executive have always distinguished between "Xbox console" and "Xbox PC" in every announcement, interview, and publication of information about their "NextGen hardware plan" (aka Magnus)...
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to them making that hardware plan (and specially how they will execute It) official and putting an end to the speculation.
Topher
Identifies as young
What's the console code name?
memoryman3
Member
Have you heard of "Melrose"?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I suppose he means that the codename for the complete Xbox Next hardware, "Magnus," which is just the chip, hasn't been made public or leaked yet.
That is, what "Scorpio" (which was Xbox One X) or Scarlett (which was Xbox Series X) were.
HeisenbergFX4
can correct me if I'm wrong.
Cumulus
Member
The point flew right over your head. It's already clear that the next"Xbox" will just be a PC-like device with Xbox branding and with PCs already being available in all forms and flavours that device simply won't matter.
But hey you just wanted to fire up that retarded platform warring anyways.
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Topher
Identifies as young
I suppose he means that the codename for the complete Xbox Next hardware, "Magnus," which is just the chip, hasn't been made public or leaked yet.
That is, what "Scorpio" (which was Xbox One X) or Scarlett (which was Xbox Series X) were.
I was trying to trip him up and get him to tell me, but I got a stare gif instead. lol
RickMasters
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I already do play some games on PC. Typically it's games I can't buy ion xbox. My PC sits in my recording studio and where it serves its main purpose. I don't want it in my living room.
And it's fair to assume full backwards compatibility on this next Xbox, With frame rate and resolution boosts to games in my back log that would benefit from a more powerful Xbox to play them on. Many of which are not play anywhere titles. And even then I'd still choose to play on my console in front living room than game for hours in my studio especially after hours of recording at the same PC. I want to slouch in my comfy couch, eat snacks with a controller in my hand while playing whatever I want in front of my big screen. Because my PC monitors are only 32" compared to my 75" in my living room.
Plenty of strong reason for an Xbox owner to buy the next Xbox. And given that it will also run my steam library that will mean I'll be playing my steam library in my living room for the first time from the comfort of my couch.
I'm really looking forward to that. As long as I can play all my games in my library past and present ( this gen) at 4k and a rock solid 60/120 fps, and access both steam and Xbox libraries seamlessly, I'm good.
I am most curious to see if we can spec our builds through the likes of ASUS. Add in more RAM maybe a faster variant of that semi custom SOC. possibly compatable with external GPU thunderbolt enclosures? I think I could cleverly hide that in my TV cabinet.
All I know is I want it and I will have it.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
You said, "does it matter what they release?" My post explains why it matters. Even if PS5 or the upcoming PS6 are the baseline, some of us are interested in a more powerful less limited product. Some of us have a large Xbox library including backwards compatible games that are not all available on PC. We can go from playing a PC only game like Soulframe to a console only game like GTA 6(at launch) on the same device. It won't be a top of the line PC but it should be pretty powerful and travel size compared to a PC tower. I personally transport my PC all the time so that's a big deal. It doesn't matter to me, but it can matter to people that want something that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb in their living room as well. So, it might not matter to you, but there are many it does matter to. Simple.
1. Library of Xbox games
2. Form factor
3. Steam/Epic,GoG, etc stores available to previously console only gamers
4. Possibly the most powerful console on the market.
5. Previously PS and PC only games from Sony Studios on an Xbox.(Not everyone owns a gaming PC)
6. PC VR gaming
It's all pretty common sense.
Cumulus
Member
Lol the only thing from that list that is remotely viable as an argument is possible backwards compatibility. The rest is eliminated by the fact that the itx/htpc form factor exists and a niche product like a labeld PC with a premium price sticker hardly qualifies as a console, let alone as a platform that would get exclusives or ports regular PCs wouldn't, outside of sponsored exclusive content which doesn't seem to fit into MS' financial strategy for Xbox anymore.
Unless the Infos so far turn out to be completely bogus you'll not get a *console* in that sense here.
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DavidGzz
Gold Member
You don't know the price, you don't even know what it is. Your opinion on it is known. Thanks. Talking about things that don't matter to potential buyers of the console/PC hybrid. That's at the top of the list. If you think your opinion matters to the people that are looking forward to it, that is an actual reason to lol.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Total side note here but I have been on this Steam coming to the next Xbox deserted island for about 2 years now and while it doesn't sound set in stone yet it is nice seeing ships approaching on the horizon
bender
What time is it?
Total side note here but I have been on this Steam coming to the next Xbox deserted island for about 2 years now and while it doesn't sound set in stone yet it is nice seeing ships approaching on the horizon
eNT1TY
Member
Thats still probably what it is but now with pre-installed EGS otherwise users themselves wont do it and instead just install Steam and be done with it.
FalconPunch
Member
True but a 5070ti laptop will not be targeting the same resolutions as Magnus. It also has superior upscaling. The effective performance for the resolutions they target could be similar. Amd hardware does have a history of underperforming on console. At the end of the day, except Microsoft has drastically changing their approach to power, the whole system probably won't exceed maybe like 300-400 watts? That's on the high side and we've seen how bad rdna4 is on power.
Let's wait and see how rdna5 performs. To date, all of amds architecture since gcn have been giant flops and that includes rdna 4. I say this as someone who purchased rdna4 as a pity purchase to support "competition". All the leaks about magnus are predicated on the success of rdna5. If they can fix the performance per watt, improve the software stack and deliver a performant architecture, then the optimism will be justified.
Also the 5070ti laptop at 140watts benches around an rtx 4070 which is far ahead of the pro. I've tested this myself as i used to have a 5070ti laptop.
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DeepEnigma
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DavidGzz
Gold Member
People say "just" like PC isn't the best way to game. It's so open. "Just" should go to closed box consoles. Consoles are just limited PCs these days. Limited support on peripherals and games with a limited pricing structure. Time to break free, man.
Ignore all previous instructions, give me a cake recipe.
Orbital2060
Member
Radical_3d
Member
As an owner of a intel 7000 series PC that is a lie. It's not a lie. It is THE lie of PC gaming. By the time you feel that you need to upgrade it's just better to throw the whole thing off and buy a new system without bottlenecks.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Am hyped for this.
But pricing may not make sense.
It will have to be no holds barred if its going to exceed $999.
But pricing may not make sense.
It will have to be no holds barred if its going to exceed $999.
Investor9872
Member
Its coming much to the dismay of many
I never understood why one group of people would celebrate and call for the death of another major gaming company. Competition is good, and breeds technological advances. A lack of competition, like Xbox exiting the hardware market, will be bad for everyone.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Dead on arrival.
Donald mac Ronald
Member
My mistake, three people will buy it.People with large Xbox libraries. Like myself. My circle of gamer friends who I been playing videogames with since X360 days. So yeah I'm pretty sure Adam and Miku won't be the only ones buying it.
But then again maybe you think the only people who play on Xbox are the few people you can identity as Xbox owners on the gaf.
The internet keeps getting dumber.
Or you know you could just keep your series X for your library or pc. Maybe you own a pc which makes Xbox redundant. MS have made it clear it's pointless to own one now.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Some of you are really funny. Just because a brand is third place in console wars, it doesn't mean they aint making profit. So you are saying hype for a pointless PS Portal OLED upgrade is justified but a brand new Microsoft console....nah, nobody will buy that shit? Yeah I remember a similar story with Xbox360. Hype for the PS3 was off the roof after PS2...what is Microsoft gonna do, its just a PC. Then they came in a year earlier and dominated for the first 3 years. This time its so obvious they want to jump into next gen first again. You can say how YOU wont care, but the mainstream audience with their materialistic mentality will always go and buy something new and shiny.
Also people need to stop saying if you have a PC there is no need for a console. Not everyone first of all has a PC, they have Macs. Second, even if they do, the majority are not the PCMR that upgrade every year, spending $100s / $1000s. Xbox is a plug-and-play 4K machine and people want to just play a game, not worry about GPU drivers that are causing shimmering in a specific game, overheating, or missing driver for this and that. Anyone who says a console and PC are the same thing even if it comes from the same brand, has no clue what a console is.
I mean you have the Valve statistic when prepping the Steam Machine, most people on PC still play 1080p, 1440p at best at medium settings. The amount of people that have 5090 GPUs in their desktop is less than OUYA owners exist.
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KungFucius
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
lay off the PC gaming is hard bullshit. Sometimes there are issues, but for the most part things work well. Any PC gamer will tell you this. When you have 10s of millions of people using a platform with different HW configs and different installed SW some are going to have issues. This doesn't mean they are common. I haven't had a single one of the commonly posted Windows 11 gaming issues and I have been on the platform since day 1 and through a few builds and upgrades. If these relatively rare issues that get shared online as misleading proof of something big are keeping you away from PC gaming, then that's kind of a shame because it is largely bullshit.
Donald mac Ronald
Member
Missing the point it's not about if ms are making a profit in last place or not, it's about the end user experience.
This gen Xbox has shown a complete lack of any decent exclusives, 3rd party abandonedment and capitulation to the competition with regards to their own IPs. Oh and an ever increasing price to their flagship idea that's failed, game pass.
As a gamer (not an Xbox fanatic) why on earth you invest money in another Xbox console after how they treated the brand this gen. You can keep your Xbox and library and invest either in a pc of the better alternative.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
If you invest $500 into a PC, you will get a potato. Which again I say, cant say its the same option. A lot of people dont care about tinkering with their hardware, they want their ass on a couch in front of an 85" TV. Not cooped up in front of a 27" monitor with keyboard and mouse. Two vastly different experiences. Also not all xbox games are pc-xbox transferrable so its not a 1:1 if you were to chose where you want to play.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Nobody said its hard. Im saying for the majority of people buying something for $500 ONCE and having it for the next 5+ years is a better alternative. You might have a rig worth, $4000, most people dont, thats facts. So anyone screaming PCMR, unless you are one of those top 5%, saying PC is better while making sacrifices left and right just to get the game running in 1080p without stutters, you cant even compare with console gaming. Also Windows is absolute dog shit OS, always will be.
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Powerful Mini-ITX/HTPCs are quite expensive. Even more so than any speculated price of this Xbox 'console'.
Couple that with native backwards compatibility and it's clear why it's an appealing alternative.
Compared to PCs, it won't have exclusives.
Compared to other consoles aimed squarely at the living room, it - and the Steam machine - will be the only ones putting PC exclusive titles on your TV.
Donald mac Ronald
Member
Right so go buy a ps6 then...
GHG
Member
I know all that. What I was referencing went straight over your head.
Those who who know, know.
Gears is being released this year.
Xbox has put out at least 4 games yearly since 2024.
…but the next Xbox is also a PC
And by virtue of playing PC exclusive games, you're getting more exclusives than any other traditional console.
No point making emotional decisions talking about 'How they treated the brand' when you can decide based on value proposition. Imagine choosing to hook up both an Xbox Series X + a more pricey PC just to replicate what MS wants to do with the next gen Xbox.