bitbydeath
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KeplerL2: PlayStation handheld reportedly with 24GB memory, PS6 console with 30GB
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sephirot_buns
Neo Member
a bit low for the portable but otherwise I agree on everything
squallbr
Member
Thats good to be tru but the Portable can be 500$, The switch costs 450$
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PaintTinJr
Member
You are doing the balance sheet from the wrong starting point IMHO.
A lot of big budget AAA games are likely going to opt for a native resolution (960x)540p with PT by the time they are making native ps6 games, meaning the effective use of the new PT hardware will be x4 more effective and the memory requirements for ML AI PT denoising will be smaller when performed at 540p native, with the subsequent PSSR2 upsampling providing the illusion of full PT quality around a native 1080p level and combined into a 4K quality for the raster visuals, so if anything things are going to be much better for RT/PT two or three years into next-gen IMO.
PeteBull
Gold Member
Its a problem with US dollar, ppl in power want and keep it extremly weak, dont look at those 800$ like it was 600$ back in 2006 at ps3 launch, if ps6 launches holidays 2027 then those 800$ will have so lil value going forward sony will likely have to even rise ps6 price in a year or two.
I see usd has crazy low value now and some1 at the top working overtime to make it even less valueable in future, as proof i present u conversion over the years of currency of my country polish zloty(pln).
Mind u our economy sux and going from feb 2022 we are only country that has border with all 3- russia, bellarus(aka direct russia's proxy with tons of russian army stationed there) and ukraine- dont have to explain what it means ;X
And thats how pln to usd ratio was over the years:
Back at ps3 launch(so 600$) 1 usd end of nov 2006 was about 2,98pln
Now over 19years later it turns out weak polish currency(especially given major conflict right at our border) its: 1usd= 3,56pln so basically usd currency devalued itself at almost same rate over those 19 years...
We talking top1 economy in the world, with top1 military power/say in the world, something doesnt add up here, either poland is wakanda in disguise(despite being 99% white ;P )with our hidden tech/resources potential or current usd is crazy weak vs what it should be
awwr999999
Member
PlayStation could move to using a lot less memory and games would end up getting better as a result.
E.g., the PS2 has 36MB of memory and Rockstar got GTA San Andreas to work without any real load screens once it starts.
Initial load times at boot are understandable and in-game load times are unacceptable.
Radical_3d
Member
Being realistic you can't ask for a 16x RAM pool and 10x power jump like in previous generations. The underlying technology hasn't advanced that much and is turning itself smarter to compensate for that. And that is obviously reflected in the products made with said technology. But the 160bits bus is just cheap.
The way I see it there are two possible outcomes:
- The IA bubbles burst before November 2027: Magnus (assuming it has at least the option of a console OS) will be the more compelling choice and PS6 will be looked at as the anchor, the Series S of its generation.
- The IA bubbles doesn't burst before November 2027: then PS6 is the only system in the market that makes sense. While PS6 is priced like a 400€ from 2013 + inflation (probably 550 without disk) everybody else is trying to sell Maseratis to minimal wage Japanese office workers. But I give this scenario a 5% chance of happening. Magnus (assuming it has at least the option of a console OS) will be the shit to have. (Assuming it has at least the option of a console OS).
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squallbr
Member
No, PS2 had 32MB and 4MBVRAM, GTA5 on PS3 was more impressive what they did with 256MB of MAIN RAM
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Switch 2 is a hybrid console. I'm sure it's always going to cost more. That said the hardware is also weaker and cheaper do produce so...who knows.
I based those 400€ on two things:
- Sony is more willing to lose money on each unit sold than Nintendo. I really don't believe Switch 2 costs nearly as much to produce as they are selling it for. (i mean this for day one sales, now i'm not sure)
- Sounds weird for Sony to price a portable for 500€ and its home console for 600. Only 100 bucks separating both? hum
That doesn't really matter for their biggest market though. It would still be $800 in the US, and more than the Pro is at the moment.Its a problem with US dollar, ppl in power want and keep it extremly weak, dont look at those 800$ like it was 600$ back in 2006 at ps3 launch, if ps6 launches holidays 2027 then those 800$ will have so lil value going forward sony will likely have to even rise ps6 price in a year or two.
I see usd has crazy low value now and some1 at the top working overtime to make it even less valueable in future, as proof i present u conversion over the years of currency of my country polish zloty(pln).
Mind u our economy sux and going from feb 2022 we are only country that has border with all 3- russia, bellarus(aka direct russia's proxy with tons of russian army stationed there) and ukraine- dont have to explain what it means ;X
And thats how pln to usd ratio was over the years:
Back at ps3 launch(so 600$) 1 usd end of nov 2006 was about 2,98pln
Now over 19years later it turns out weak polish currency(especially given major conflict right at our border) its: 1usd= 3,56pln so basically usd currency devalued itself at almost same rate over those 19 years...
We talking top1 economy in the world, with top1 military power/say in the world, something doesnt add up here, either poland is wakanda in disguise(despite being 99% white ;P )with our hidden tech/resources potential or current usd is crazy weak vs what it should be
I personally don't think think there's any way PS6 sells at $800 and if it does Sony would be expecting weak sales.
VolticArchangel
Member
No delays and is 2027 locked in?
That means A0 tapeout for both the soc's is this year and volume production q1 next year right?
Anchovie123
Member
Native resolutions are dead, why would bandwidth matter? PSSR3 & FSR5 will likely be out come launch (Late 2027?) No reason to not use heavy upscaling at this point.
Sure - memory sold separately.
PeteBull
Gold Member
Was 299usd back in 1995(so psx launch) expensive or cheap back then coz it was pretty cheap, we got proof of that even here:
U can tell by the reaction 299$ was considered bargain bin price.
And when u quickly put it into inflation calc, 299$ in 1995 is 635$ today, now we are still almost 2years away from holiday 2027 launch, usd will keep losing value all that time, and it will keep losing even more after that...
J Required
Banned
Did you really just equate the PS6 to the Xbox Series S, and Magnus to a PS5?
Come on.
Is Magnus three times the GPU power? No.
What we're looking at—if these specs are even final—is a gap closer to the PS4 vs Xbox One era, something in the 25–30% range on paper, before accounting for custom hardware decisions from either Sony or Microsoft. And as history shows, Sony tends to squeeze a lot out of their designs.
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Emmy Ator Best
Member
How the hell are they going to make something more powerful than a PS5 Pro for less? At best they're gonna match the same price. Same thing for the handheld, no way they're gonna be cheaper than Nintendo. A realistic target to me would be same price as the Steam Deck 512GB model .
Sanepar
Member
Since they say longer than people think, I bet 2029 or even 2030 for next gen.
It will go up and inflation is one of the reasons why we get these increases, but not above the Pro price. That would be suicide from Sony and I'm sure they'll be targeting $600 to avoid a huge dropoff.
J Required
Banned
By taking less margins? Or even small loss.
squallbr
Member
Yes and we still has terrible IQ, FSR is piece of shit
Radical_3d
Member
Even a One vs PS4 is a bad outcome. Remember how that ended…
OT: Christ, I swear the iPhone keyboard is getting worse by the minute!!
Thebonehead
Gold Member
Its a problem with US dollar, ppl in power want and keep it extremly weak, dont look at those 800$ like it was 600$ back in 2006 at ps3 launch, if ps6 launches holidays 2027 then those 800$ will have so lil value going forward sony will likely have to even rise ps6 price in a year or two.
I see usd has crazy low value now and some1 at the top working overtime to make it even less valueable in future, as proof i present u conversion over the years of currency of my country polish zloty(pln).
Mind u our economy sux and going from feb 2022 we are only country that has border with all 3- russia, bellarus(aka direct russia's proxy with tons of russian army stationed there) and ukraine- dont have to explain what it means ;X
And thats how pln to usd ratio was over the years:
Back at ps3 launch(so 600$) 1 usd end of nov 2006 was about 2,98pln
Now over 19years later it turns out weak polish currency(especially given major conflict right at our border) its: 1usd= 3,56pln so basically usd currency devalued itself at almost same rate over those 19 years...
We talking top1 economy in the world, with top1 military power/say in the world, something doesnt add up here, either poland is wakanda in disguise(despite being 99% white ;P )with our hidden tech/resources potential or current usd is crazy weak vs what it should be
Taking two models - I know the PS3 was an outlier, but look at how it did relative to its price today adjusted for Inflation.
| Model | Launch Year | Launch Price | Price Adjusted for Inflation (2026) |
| PS3 | 2006 | $599 | $950 |
| PS5 Pro | 2024 | $699 | $735 |
J Required
Banned
I feel you, man. I've got the Fold 7, and I still can't adjust to the screen being just a bit narrower. Even that tiny change throws everything off.
Mownoc
Member
You're living in the past. The PS4 has x16 ram compared to the PS3. The PS5 only has x2 ram compared to the PS4.
Which aged worse? The PS5 gives a much better relative gaming experience in 2026 than the PS4 did in 2019.
We don't need ram to increase by massive multiples anymore.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
PS5 Pro isn't nearly as expensive to make as its price leads you to believe. Sony simply saw a market that would buy that console while using its gains to cut some losses the slim version is having.
They have mentioned that they make money from the PS5 Pro unlike the slim version. One was priced for the overall public. The other wasn't.
About Switch 2, why are we behaving like Switch 2 is just portable console? As far as i know they weren't losing money with each unit sold when the console came out. Sony is usually the one that loses some money at first and it offsets that loss with all the other Playstation services they have. Nintendo doesn't do this as much. And Valve? Do they have services like PS Plus that they can use to do that? They probably price everything so they don't love money and maybe even make some.
If PS6 Portable is 500 bucks, there's no way the home console is 600 then. It will be around 700 bucks lol.
We all know for Nintendo such specs are science fiction. Thanks God we are not talking of Nintendo.
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sephirot_buns
Neo Member
yeah them pushing out a region locked version for 100 bucks less is the biggest proof they are not taking any losses with switch 2
RoboFu
One of the green rats
lol settle down little warrior, fanboyism has nothing to do it.
Unless there a massive turn around in ram prices in the next 2 years there is no way this will happen.
sephirot_buns
Neo Member
are you willing to bet $200 with me it wont happen? since you are so sure
get some mod to approve it and lets run it my friend
midnightAI
Member
Ok, sure,How about quote me and point out where specifically i was wrong then?
Or u aknowledge my train of thought is very logical and despite that u just wanted to post edgy gif? That can happen too so i dont blame u, but lets stick to facts here
I very much doubt it will be $800 ($600 - $700 maybe)
performance will be a priority (always is)
bandwidth reduction? (it isnt even reduced compared to this gen, but with the architecture they are going for it wont be an issue at all)
TF is not a good way to determine performance (I thought this was known for a long time?)
You are nuts if you think this will be anywhere close the the performance issues the Wii had (as in, nowhere near the level of performance other platforms have in the same gen, or issues with it being unbalanced, or as you put it 'weaksauce')
It wont have 'tons of compromises' (what do you even mean by this? what compromises are you expecting?)
People did this last gen with the PS5 (and the PS4, and PS3 to a degree) turned out great from a performance standpoint at launch, was funny to see DF getting things totally wrong and jumping to conclusions, they never learn
J Required
Banned
Physiognomonics
Member
Indeed. And I don't see how PS6 would be less expensive than PS5 Pro current price (750$). I am expecting it to cost between 799$ and 999$.
And PS5 Pro has only 16 GB of GDDR6. There is a reason Sony want to extend PS5's lifecycle to be as long as PS4 (12 years). They know most customers will need a cheaper price point than the cost of a PS6.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
I'll bet you $200 the ps6 won't launch in 2027/2028 with 30gig of ram.
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sephirot_buns
Neo Member
J Required
Banned
KungFucius
King Snowflake
There are different types of 3rd party. 3rd party timed exclusives could have marketing deals, reduced licensing fees, or just a payment though some are absolutely do nothing and earn 30%.
squidilix
Member
Similar to a RTX 5070
PeteBull
Gold Member
I said it wont be like wii(jump from gcn to wii was almost non existant, there are videos of that on yt), more like n64 to gcn jump.
Performance cant be priority when u got hard powerdraw limit of 160W while for example ps5 pr0 has hard limit of 240W from the wall. Hell base ps5 from holidays 2020 has well over 200W powerlimit too
Keeping it affordable enough will likely be priority, aka keeping it in line with 300$ psx from 95, aka likely around 800$ in 2028( they cant make it 599$ launch price holidays 2027 only to bump it by 100$ in 2028 and another 100$ by 2030, no? ;P)
squallbr
Member
PaintTinJr
Member
With spelling mistakes of lunch(eating) and 30g(grams) of ram it doesn't look like any bet has been made.
J Required
Banned
Didn't catch that. Lol
winjer
Gold Member
Yes and we still has terrible IQ, FSR is piece of shit
You do realize that the Pro version is using PSSR, not FSR?
Physiognomonics
Member
It's exactly as with PS5 and 2070 that have the same exact bandwidth. I Don't think developers ever complained of PS5 bandwidth. I wouldn't worry about it.But the 5070 dont Share with CPU
PS6 is going to be a very balanced console, like PS5 was. Well except for the price I guess.
David_Android
Banned
100%. rockstar are magicians if they want too. same applies to rdr 2 on ps4 and xbox one for different reasons.
i still hate what they became because of gta online
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
SplunkyMunkey
Member
Not really OS doesn't require much ram and could use separate ram pool that
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Sony would never release their new console for that price. To do that they wouldn't have a single PS6 release exclusive, not even on the same level as Demon's Souls.
They would rather wait until 2028/2020 to release the console and have it cheaper then.
That said...they will cover some of those costs. They have quite a lot of money from other services and they are still trying to have their PS4 userbase to move on to PS5 in 2026. Releasing another console next year makes no sense to me.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
People still have this 90s mentality where consoles had "untapped" power. We're in 2026. What untapped power do you think there is left when we got games dropping to 720p using DRS to maintain 60fps?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Fanboys are not gonna agree with you lol