vaibhavpisal
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Everyone seems to praise AI upscaling.
Everyone buys iphone for camera, that uses AI to create images.
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Asha Sharma: Next Xbox Project Name: "Helix" - Will 'lead in performance and play your Xbox and PC games'
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Everyone buys iphone for camera, that uses AI to create images.
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Tobimacoss
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I honestly don't think they will push for game exclusivity. They're definitely not going to do it for third party games, better to pay publishers to get games on Gamepass than timed exclusivity.
They can't do it for ABK games, especially COD until at least 2038. Bethesda will get annoyed if they're forced to do it. Pete Hines asked why ABK games got to remain multi platform but not Bethesda. That's when MS started changing strategies.
Only games they could or should do is first party Xbox Game Studio games. But then again, in the world of Cloud Gaming, hardware exclusivity is irrelevant.
I think they would be better off just publishing third party multi platform games from some top end devs, give them the best cut like Epic publishing does. That way, they keep getting content for Gamepass for cheap.
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Unfortunatecookie
Member
Fair enough. If a hybrid meets his needs then the XPC (or whatever they end up calling it) will be perfect for him.
Rubim
Member
Its not mine.
But regardless, can they deliver it?
SteamOS is miles away from what Microsoft can do it atm.
That sentence talks about performance and games.
Basically meeting the best of both worlds.
Isn't it too early to enter into 'bitch eating crackers' mode?
ricardo_sousa11
Member
You really think its gonna be just AI upscalling? Im not talking about the games, but the OS.
They also announced Win 12 with embeded AI, that is the direction they will head.
You put the prompt in the AI
On a handheld, sure. On a living room console, most of the sleep and power management wins of SteamOS aren't relevant.
And then you're left with comparing powerful hybrid hardware with mid range hardware, and an OS where a lot of popular multiplayer games don't work vs one where everything just works.
Steam Machine will be cheaper. But that's about it.
Calverz
Member
Can you play Fortnite on steamOS?
Can you play COD on steamOS?
Can you play FIFA on steamOS?
Not sure what this has to do with personal attacks - XBox has been inviting criticism of this type for years before this CEO, and years prior to the last one.
But sure let's make this into cult of personality before it even started.
Tobimacoss
Member
Helix will eat the Steam Machine for breakfast.
Topher
Identifies as young
Microsoft has never officially confirmed that and they still haven't here is what I'm saying.
No, Epic stated it as if there was still some doubt.
"We've been talking to the folks at Microsoft. If they do follow through with allowing Steam and the Epic Games Store on the next generation of Xbox console hardware, we will be there. I'm fairly certain that'll require us to build an app that functions there."
Epic Games Store could land on next Xbox as talks with Microsoft continue
We recently caught up with Epic Games Store VP and GM Steve Allison to learn about how the platform is going in a gaming world increasingly dominated by Steam.
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Tobimacoss
Member
Microsoft has never officially confirmed that and they still haven't here is what I'm saying.
No, Epic stated it as if there was still some doubt.
"We've been talking to the folks at Microsoft. If they do follow through with allowing Steam and the Epic Games Store on the next generation of Xbox console hardware, we will be there. I'm fairly certain that'll require us to build an app that functions there."
Epic Games Store could land on next Xbox as talks with Microsoft continue
We recently caught up with Epic Games Store VP and GM Steve Allison to learn about how the platform is going in a gaming world increasingly dominated by Steam.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
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How much more clear do they need to get? It's confirmed in multiple of ways. Also Sarah "it will work similarly to the Asus Xbox Ally."
Epic Games Store Head: 'We Plan to be on the New Hardware for Xbox'
Epic Games Store head Steve Allison in an interview with Game File said they plan to have the [...]
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Topher
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Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
How much more clear do they need to get? It's confirmed in multiple of ways. Also Sarah "it will work similarly to the Asus Xbox Ally."
The Rog Xbox Ally is simply a Windows PC. If that is what the next "console" is then fine, but that's part of what needs to be cleared up. Is it a closed ecosystem console with multiple stores or just a PC. I've heard both.
How much more clear do they need to get? A lot.
MisterXDTV
Member
The same people that told us that Series S was a great idea, now are telling us that a fake console, that is actually a mini PC, sold for $1200+, is a great idea….
Tobimacoss
Member
I edited. There's a second quote from the head of Epic Store that's different from what you posted. That one makes it clear as day.
It will be similar to the Xbox Ally in spirit and concept, even if they use a UI designed for TVs. Bootloader will be locked though, and the desktop may be behind Developer Mode or at least a toggle in the settings after some security prompts.
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Topher
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They said that at the same time that they said "if they follow through" so I'm not taking that as gospel. I'm not going to try and piece all these bits together and figure it out. I'll wait for Microsoft to tell me. That's hardly unreasonable.
And your guess as anyone's as far as what this thing is, but you don't know either.
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MisterXDTV
Member
The moment it supports Steam, your question becomes moot
It could be a "closed system" only if it was locked to MS store
And that is impossible because they know PC gamers don't buy games on anything but Steam
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Topher
Identifies as young
I'm just not making any assumptions at this point. Hopefully things will be clearer at GDC
MisterXDTV
Member
Also MS sells its own games on Steam already, so there's really no point to lock it down to MS store
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Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
One of my friends at a Sony dev wants to buy it bc he wants a gaming PC. He's a Mac guy. LOL
Tobimacoss
Member
For many people, it's hard to fathom why MS would allow other stores or get rid of online multiplayer.
1.) They would lose those revenues regardless if the consoles weren't selling.
2.) They want to proliferate an open platform they control
3.) By attaching Xbox hardware to pc gaming ecosystem hardware, they ensure its longterm survival.
4.) They want to be multiplatform with a unified ecosystem. No need to worry about how many devices to sell, just sell on every device in the world capable of running the games.
This is the best way to achieve all that. Plus if there's no multiplayer paywall, I think they can attract 10-15 million multiplayer userbase away from Sony, and PS+ revenues take a hit, Sony's profit margins go down, then Sony is back to porting to PC to increase revenues, and thus the games working on Helix.
That is the Gambit.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
To be fair, Series S was a great idea, but MS fucked up with RAM count. I expected 10GB for devs. We got 8GB instead...The same people that told us that Series S was a great idea, now are telling us that a fake console, that is actually a mini PC, sold for $1200+, is a great idea….
Topher
Identifies as young
I admit.....I'm being very hard-headed about all of this.
HeisenbergFX4
can attest to that. I'd say I have good reason. These are the same people who tried to tell the world that a gotdang phone was an "Xbox". Same folks who slapped their "Xbox" logo on a Windows PC handheld and insisted it was an "Xbox". Now Microsoft is saying this multi-store device that sounds awfully like just another PC is actually a "console". Sorry, but Microsoft has cried wolf too many times to take their words at face value, in my mind.
I've said before, I don't listen to what Microsoft says for this very reason (among others). When they show what this actually is then I'll know. Until then, I'll be stubborn, and maybe even a little pedantic. That's on Microsoft.
"Just four games"
HeisenbergFX4
can attest to that. I'd say I have good reason. These are the same people who tried to tell the world that a gotdang phone was an "Xbox". Same folks who slapped their "Xbox" logo on a Windows PC handheld and insisted it was an "Xbox". Now Microsoft is saying this multi-store device that sounds awfully like just another PC is actually a "console". Sorry, but Microsoft has cried wolf too many times to take their words at face value, in my mind. I've said before, I don't listen to what Microsoft says for this very reason (among others). When they show what this actually is then I'll know. Until then, I'll be stubborn, and maybe even a little pedantic. That's on Microsoft.
"Just four games"
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
How can anyone trust anything most of these companies say especially Xbox brass?I admit.....I'm being very hard-headed about all of this.
I've said before, I don't listen to what Microsoft says for this very reason (among others). When they show what this actually is then I'll know. Until then, I'll be stubborn, and maybe even a little pedantic. That's on Microsoft.
"Just four games"
As you know I have been prepping people this type of machine was coming for quite sometime, even warning people it was going to be expensive but even I wouldn't be overly shocked if they pulled the plug tomorrow
I just dont see any way that Nadella greenlights an Xbox pc that doesnt have some type of mandatory monthly subscription. Everything Microsoft does these days is all about perpetual recurring revenue streams.I admit.....I'm being very hard-headed about all of this.
I've said before, I don't listen to what Microsoft says for this very reason (among others). When they show what this actually is then I'll know. Until then, I'll be stubborn, and maybe even a little pedantic. That's on Microsoft.
"Just four games"
midnightAI
Member
because the hardware wont be sold at a loss
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Since MS is not going to subsidize this system, they would very much like the PC crowd to buy this thing as their gaming PC
nani17
are in a big trouble
And if it's a pc who pays for the online to play the games?
jm89
Member
His right.
Allowing steam on this they could end up losing people to steam.
Microsoft as a company isn't big on hardware they are a software company, if they lose a significant number of people to steam they end up as hardware provider for other pc storefronts. Don't think they will be happy with that.
Even worse steam is starting to push steam os in various ways, so those customers who start moving over to steam could end up even avoiding windows all together if valve start pushing steam machine even harder with better specs.
Another car crash of a gen incoming for Xbox.
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jm89
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The possible losses due to people opting to purchase from other pc storefronts won't be recovered via hardware profit.
Unfortunatecookie
Member
Well what better time to join the PC family than with modern day Windows
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Xbox was dying anyhow to people doing this very thing, leaving the platform
This is very much a Hail Mary
BlitzCraig
Neo Member
Since the Xbox console's power stopped with the Series X, this next console could still produce exclusives for the Series X which oughtta be more cost effective and quicker to produce than trying to compete with the next gen heavy hitters.
MisterXDTV
Member
Well at least this thing runs Windows.
So big win for Microsoft there: it's not a Linux system
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Wait, wait... are people really BUYING the idea of a 1000 usd console to make XBOX great again??? And exclusive games?? Am I reading correctly??
Topher
Identifies as young
You've said the plan is still multiple stores. Have you heard whether Valve was onboard with this?
MisterXDTV
Member
MisterXDTV
Member
Why wouldn't they?
It's easy money for them, just like they get from any other PC on the planet
midnightAI
Member
who pays now?
MS will have a few revenue streams:
Hardware
Games
GamePass
Even if its only via hardware if they make $100 on each XBox sold and they sell 10 million of them then....
And that's just from people who don't buy MS games and don't have a GamePass sub
no way this will be $1k. that's steamboat price.
this'll be higher, it'll sell like dozens, half of it's future install base is probably in this thread.
MisterXDTV
Member
RickMasters
Member
My expectations are aligned with what we know so far….. the OC will indeed be available for vendors. It will come in multiple form factors not simply multiple skus of a static box. It will also play PC games.
We know that much so far.